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Thumboy21 β Current Situation in Europe: 3rd of September 2016
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Published: 2016-09-03 19:02:41 +0000 UTC; Views: 2059; Favourites: 26; Downloads: 41
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First time I uploaded in a while, been very busy. Are there any mistakes? If there are please say. I also decided to include disputed borders in red.Related content
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Nice work! there is also very unknown disputed areas in Russia. they near Estonian border and are claimed also by Estonia.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia%β¦
They is also one disputed area between Georgia and Azerbaijan but I don't think it's actually worth to add.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gaβ¦
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Because it is a good compromise between the name FYROMians call it, "Macedonia" and the name Greeks call it "Skopia". When the FYROMians come up with a valid name for their country, I will happily show it on my maps.
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Doesn't that make Greeks hypocrites?
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Uh no, Greeks have existed for thousands of years, they are not a creation of the West. Greeks did not end with the Roman Empire, they simply changed. They started calling themselves Romans thats correct, and they changed religions. The Macedonian region is very poorly defined, but the ancient region of Macedonia, where the original Macedonian kingdom arose from before it conquered, that area was, is and always has been mostly ethnically Greek. And when I say, the original Macedonia region, I mean this (upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia⦠). Note, that FYROM's territory is not at all in the Macedonian region, therefore, it is stupid to call their country Macedonia.
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www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/β¦
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nice fyrom propaganda website
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Why did you draw a red line in the Turkish province of Hatay? It's not a disputed territory. Hatay joined in Turkey in 1939 according to Ankara Treaty between Turkey and France...Β
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Syria still claims it
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Nope it doesn't. It legally gave up its claims in 2004. But after 2011 al Assad started a political propaganda because Erdogan turned his back to Assad. His claims have no legal ground. So I ask you to remove this red line. Territorial claims of al Assad is not in the same condition with the claims and disputes between Serbia and Kosovo, Serbia and Croatia, Moldova and Transnistria, Ukraine and Russia, Georgia and Russia, Armenia and Azerbaijan, Israel and Palestine, Israel and Syria, Northen and Southern Cyprus governments etc.Β
Here is an AlJazeraa digest of this issue in Turkish.
www.aljazeera.com.tr/dosya/turβ¦
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Legality is not a factor. Legally or illegally a country can claim land, its still a claim. The claim by Turkish cypriot leaders that North Cyprus isn't Cyprus has no legallity but I showed that anyway.
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you always have to come up with cyprus issue don't you? different backgrounds, different situations. in our case, syria simply gave up its claims in 2004. that's it. Nobody in the world thinks that Hatay belongs to syria. I mean, islamic state claims Oslo, then why didn't you mark a red line around oslo? Or Italy still has claims on british Somaliland, remind me please..
I am disappointed on your respond. Legality IS the factor. Nobody llegally cannot claim anything. You have to base your claim on legal terms. Maybe this is an overreaction for you but for this map it really doesn't have a logical point to seperate a Turkish soil from its mainland.
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You mentioned the Cyprus issue before I did, actually. And I only mentioned it once so I don't know why you think I always come up with it.Β
Nobody in the world thinks Hatay belongs to Syria....except Syria.Β
ISIS is not a state, they resemble more of a rebel faction. States care about foreign relations, ISIS doesn't. States don't go and attack civilians, then claim responsibility for it and be proud of it. States hide it when they kill civilians.Β
If Italy still claims British Somaliland, then yes, I would show that.
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I said Cyprus issue is different like all other issues that I wrote. It is not hard to understand.Β
When I wrote IS, I actually did not mean Daesh. I meant ''is'' and wrote it in capital letters to emphasize the importance of legality. It is the thing that you should use when you make maps like this one.
No you would not do that. That would be bullshit. Italy gave up its claims. You wouldn't draw a red line in Africa just because a nuts in Italy reassert territorial claims. It doesn't have legal ground.
My point is, by drawing a red line in Turkey, you mislead people on purpose. Someone who see this map may think that there is a clash for a land in Turkey, Hatay. Actually it does not.. It is just an ordinary province like others. There is another reason not to draw this red line, and it is because syrian regime's any possible claim for Hatay isn't legal. You should revise this map.
Anyways, do whatever you want, bro. But we know that this map is not the current situation in Europe, 3rd of september 2016..
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Uh no, Cyprus and Hatay have similarities, someone claims something with no legal basis.
No, you did mention islamic state. You said this: "islamic state claims Oslo, then why didn't you mark a red line around oslo?"
I said "if" about italy claiming somaliland, not that they do.
Uh no, its not misleading people. Its representing facts. Syria claims Hatay and so does Turkey, this means Hatay is a disputed territory, simple. And I never said Hatay is not an ordinary province, please do not lie about my words.
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No they don't have similarities. Situation in Cyprus certainly doesn't similar to your claims on Hatay. I constantly give you absurd examples to make you understand you made a mistake on this map but youΒ undoubtedly don't get it. You mislead people on purpose. This is not a fact. This is your own political opinion. Syria gave up its claims in 2004. It's just not a disputed territory. If something is simple, that's it. In given condition I assure you this is not the current situation.Β
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Uh no, I'm not misleading people at all. If there is an issue with the map you have to point out a problem and use facts to prove it, which you failed with.
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Well I mentioned about an agreement between Turkey and Syria, that signed in 2004 and resolved border issues between the parties. I stated that Syria gave up its claims on Turkish soil. That by signing this agreement, Al-Assad accepted that Hatay is an indivisible part of Turkey and that a free trade center of Turkey and Syria shall be established in the city. Here is a link to this agreementΒ www.ekonomi.gov.tr/portal/faceβ¦ It's avaible in English. It is an official agreement and its name is ''The Association Agreement Establishing a Free Trade Area between the Republic of Turkey and the Syrian Arab Republic''. Signing this agreement means that Syria gave up its claims. It was signed in 2004. I don't know how many different ways I should try to make you understand this fact. It's an officially established, settled border. You shouldn't draw a red line. I liked the map. I'm just saying that there is a mistake and that there is not a legal ground of any claim on Hatay. Neither Syria claims it since 2004.Β
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What happened in Δ°celand ? Active Volcanoes ?
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Wow !! They're huge ! 
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What about Spanish-Portuguese border? Have you pointed out Olivenza? XD
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It's a curious fact but Portugal does not claim officially Olivenza since 1840. Although they haven't renounce claiming in future either. In 2003, there was much talk about this in Spain because mass media reported that the CIA World Factbook mentioned Portuguese claim. Here, there was almost no-one knowing that matter.
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Looks like you added disputed areas as well this time around.
Doesn't Nagorno-Karabahk only control about half the area depicted here and the controlled areas surrounded by Azerbaijan?
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No.Β commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Filβ¦
Look at this map. The Orange Areas are the original Nagorno Karabakh republic, Yellow areas are areas conquered by the Nagorno Karabakh republic during the Nagorno Karabakh war and the Orange stripped areas are areas of the originial Nagorno Karabakh republic that were lost and are now controlled by Azerbaijan.
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Okay, so I had it backwards.
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Yeah, not the first time someone was wondering what happened to Iceland. First time I saw it I thought Iceland had turned into a petri dish and was growing mold.
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I first thought it was a civil war. But I remembered Iceland has no army
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is council of deputies really a turk puppet state?
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No. Turkey actually supports (not puppet though)the libyan dawn, which is the enemy of the council of deputies.
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I bet 90% of the work for this just went into Syria
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