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Todyo1798 — Axis Victory Wank
Published: 2011-06-23 19:51:21 +0000 UTC; Views: 12840; Favourites: 46; Downloads: 76
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Okay, unless your an alternate history fan that title will probably confuse you. But please let me explain.Now, the Axis is the alliance of Germany, Japan and Italy who fought aginst the Allies (Britain, France, America and Russia) during WWII. As you can probably guess, the Allies won. This is map of the Old world (Eurasia, Africa and Oceania) showing what would have happened if the Axis had not only won, but had completely and utterly smashed to shit the Allies!
1) Germany and the Greater German Reich
-That big grey lump taking up most of Europe. Hitler succeded in uniting all the Germanic people (and quite a lot of Slavic people) into a single nation that spans from the North Sea to the Ural mountains.
-The two states with red borders in the east are the Reichskommissariat Turkestan and the Reichskommissariat Ural, or to put it more simply, the slave territories and buffers against the Japanese in Siberia. Managed by the SS, most of the non-Aryans in the Reich were expelled here after the war. Every now and then a few thousand locals will be rounded up and shipped west to be put to work in the homes of powerful party members or on the colossal Nazi building projects that dot the face of Europe.
-The Jews aren't extinct yet, they've been exiled to Madagascar, now the worlds largest concentration camp. The island is also the place where most of the Reichs weapons testing is carried out.
-The massive German controlled state in Africa is "Mittelafrika". A few high-up party members always had a soft spot for the Second Reichs empire and reclaimed Germany's former territories of Britain and France after the war, plus a little extra. The native Africans are treated suprsingly well, atleast compared to the Slavs, someone realised that the soft Europeans aren't as good as the local when it comes to dealing with the tropical climate. They're generally left to their own devices and those that are employed by the state actually recieve wages for their labour!
2) Italy and the New Roman Empire
-Mussolini fulfilled his dream of a new empire on the seven hills of Rome, admittedly with a lot of German help. Not as batshit insane as their northern neighbour, Fascist Italy is the most likeable of the three supowerpowers, controlling most of Europes popular holiday resorts.
-Like Hitler, Mussolini also dreamed of an Italian "Lebensraum", "Spazzio Vitale". However, the Italian version isn't as extreme, consisting of mainland Italy, the Mediterranean islands, the Dalmatian coast and some of North Africa.
-Italy is also the richest controlling a huge amount of the worlds oil supply through their territories in North Africa dn the Middle East.
3) Japan and the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere
-No one is entirely sure who is the most powerful between Germany and Japan. Certainly Japan is in control of a far larger population with all of Asia under the thumb of Tokyo.
-Japans empire is mainly based on their puppets across the continent, as there were far too many people for one army to suppress. China and India and Japan's Number Two and Three respectively.
-Like Germany, they've settled the former USSR, not to mention Australia and New Zealand, all these places were rather underpopulated to begin with.
Inspired by this map [link]
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Slovakia: well, southern parts were captured by Hungary here, but we survived
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i cant see Hitler allowing italy to remain in power or the rest of the nations in europe. once the Greater German Empire has became the true new rome, hitler would crush the weakest ally.
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It would be bad propoganda, plus the lands the Italians would gain would mainly be deserts. Germanics would be needed for the East, not the South. Though near the end he did bemoan having not supported the Muslims more instead of the Italians, as well as basically planning on having the Po River be Germany's southern point. Would you like me to find you a base map so you can make your own?
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thanks, but i don know how or have the time to learn how,
it just seems unlikely that germany would allow another nation to at the very least hold on to the worlds oil
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You didn't know how they worked, then. The Nazis had plans in motion for getting many countries to only trade with them for certain products, and made sure to monopolize the oil fields of Transylvania, as well as got the rights to many factories and iron fields in Spain in exchange for propping them up. Baku was to be settled and annexed immediatly, giving them a port to funnel in the petroleum of Turkestan and Iran. Frankly, the extend of the oil at the time was probably not as well known, with a great deal of it being buried under the United. The Germans could just as well take the North Sea and get all the oil they needed.
But I digress. The Italians would likely only have been given what they could grab unless the Germans had no one else to give it to. Not as if they would be a threat to them.
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thats probably true, germany allow italy to take all or most the land they wanted, because germany knew they could take it all back with out to much trouble
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That's not it. They certainly didn't let them take Tunisia, Savoy, Nice, etc. Do you not like the Italians?
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i have little repect for facist italy, it was a weak nation who acted strong, while Germany was a weakend nation that became strong
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Keep in mind that it was Mussolini who wanted those colonies, not necesarrilly the Italian people. As for German being weakened... They destroyed whatever they could in the French and Belgian industrial heartlands when they heard they were needing to surrender before the Entente's momentum carried over the border. The German's then were left with a compact state with less Junkers and others around to screw with things after revolutionaries dealt with them. Then the British and Americans kept getting the reparation payments the Germans needed to be paid lower, unlike when the Prussians occupied half of France during the Franco-PRussian war until they were paid handseomely.
Anyways, each year the Germans were given loans by Americans for twice as much as they needed to pay, while those payments had to by paid by the British and French for damages and American supplies. The Germans were doing very well under Weimar until the Great Depression, when the Americans needed to call in their loans. Weimar Germany also had things going on to train their soldiers in the soviet Union and to support thNationalist Chinese in various things. What strengh did the NAzis bring that didn't come from things stolen or looted? They didn't even use their slave labor productively. They killed over ten million people through variousdeliberate ways, all the while having their own growing labor shortage. What planning is that? Their whole economic system was to be based on tributes by Western Europe and to kill everyone in the East before deporting the Western Europeans to live their. As if a bunch of farms were better than cities.
What parts do you admire about them? Just incase their is some aspect that I missed.
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the fact they conquered europe basicly in a matter of months
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No staying power. They had done in France what was done at the begining of WWI, only the gamble paid that time. It did not in Russia, which may very well have just beat thNazis themselves in time. The Germans conquered several neutral countries in the West with threats and actions of bombing theirpeaceful cities. In the East they came with the promise of liberating people from the Soviets they consorted with. And tried to kill absoleutly everyone. And failed in every economic goal they attempted in the area, not enough food, not enough resources... They had been getting all those form the Soviets, meaning they lost those supplies. Why don't you just follow the Mongols? Their Khanates lasted for hunreds of years and reached from Korea to India to Poland.
And one more thing on the strengh issuGermany had a head start of several years throughing everything into the military, meaning their economy would collapse without a war. When everyone else started to gear for War... Remember who won.
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hitlers leader ship is what cost them the war, the belief the they needed air control over britain, when they could have invaded while holding back the RAF, plus the sovit union was near defeat, if the nazis took moscow the war in the east would have been won, moscow was the only thing keeping the union togeather, the delay of the invasion from the battle of britain cost them that victory, and the soviets losses were 2.5 soviets to every german and their population was only twice the size. and before you judge how weak germany was, think how many nations and empires it took to bring them down
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Hitler was Nazism. They needed him. When he was in prisonthe party started to wither. He was the main draw.
The Soviets weren't very good at what they did at first. Still, they mostly fought because they had no chance surviving with the Germans. That and how they might be counting the civilians murdered by the Germans. AS for Operatino Sea Lion, it would not have worked even if the Germans managed air supremecy. They would have been forced to surrender.
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"Hitler was Nazism."
He also strived to be a country. :-D
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how would they been forced to surrender? if hitler kept moving and crushed the brits and french at dunkirk, england would have been left with no army, it wouldnt have been an easy invasion or ocupation but it would have been victory
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He didn't. And I am sure that they would be able to whip something up from the tens of millinos of people they had on the island, including many governments in exile. Most wargames and historians agree that far, especially as the Germans would have been successful at first before bing limited and cut off.
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they couldnt build a large or strong enough army with german boots on english soil, iand i dont see how the germans would be cut off if british air craft are pushed back, and gov in exile are only good for speches
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what about the German colonies of the pacific? should Germany have these back?
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Well Hitler would like to think that Germany has that kind of power projection, but as it stands they'd barely be able to hold what they already have.
Besides, they'd fall into Japan's SOI in the end.
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then get the Germans to make nuclear BOMB
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They're working on it, but then again so are the Japanese!
Ta da! it's the German-Japanese Cold War cliche
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Garbled in what way?
Anyway check the link at the bottom, I give credit to the guy, I copied his map onto my own blank map.
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Oh, now I see that link. Sorry. I do prefer Condotierro though, his templates are much easier to use and I am busy with a map of my own atm based on one of his.
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This looks like a very garbled version of Totentanz work.
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Oh, now I see that link. Sorry.
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