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Description "WARNING. The subjct matter of this piece is controversial. While some specific details are not themselves necessarily canon, they are based upon several pieces of evidence found in the canon, as well as real world science and biology. Be prepared for intellectual debate. If you can't handle being disagreed with, don't bother commenting. Otherwise, keep it civil and on an intellectual level."

"We are Autonomous Robotic Organisms from the planet Cybertron."—Optimus Prime

"The laws of physics appear to be the same everywhere, so it follows that the laws of life are universal too, even if the detail is different."—Professor Stephen Hawking

Robotic organisms; Life forms whose bodies, cellular structure, and DNA is made up of metals, silicon, and similar elements, instead of (or as well as) the Big Six organic elements—Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, Sulfur, and Phosphorus.

There are seven key criteria that the scientific community agrees is absolutely vital for all life everywhere, and without all of which an organism could not survive or thrive as a species. These criteria are:

• Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, sweating to reduce temperature. This can point to warm and cold-blooded species.
• Organization: Made of one or more cells, which are the basic units of life.
• Metabolism: Living things require energy to maintain internal temperature and carry out functions associated with life. Metabolism is change of energy state via anabolism and catabolism. Anabolism is converting chemicals and energy from food etc. into living cells. Catabolism is decomposition of organic matter into inorganic substance.
• Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of anabolism than catabolism. This results in formation of cells and tissue, hence the foundation of growth.
• Adaptation: The property of biologically changing or adjusting, to the changes in the environment. This is related to evolution and mutation.
• Response to stimuli: The response depends of the organism and nature of stimulus. A pinch, sunlight, thunder, shock are stimuli. Organisms starting from unicellular to insects to vertebrates respond to the stimulus as per their make up.
• Reproduction: The characteristic of producing new individuals organisms. The unicellular and lower organisms and some plants, reproduce asexually from a single parent, while organisms higher in the taxonomy reproduce sexually from two parents.

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Within the canon, Transformers have been shown to meet all seven of these criteria at one time or another. The most controversial of these criteria among fans is reproduction. Here is a breakdown of the various criteria and how Transformers meet each one:

Homeostasis: This is, perhaps the hardest to visually depict within the canon, but Transformers have demonstrated this fundamental ability. Their cells generate heat when burning fuel for energy, their cooling systems keep them from overheating, cellular regeneration repairs damage and maintains overall systemic health and functionality. All of this is homeostasis at work.

Organization: According to multiple canon sources, dating as far back as Marvel comics, Transformers are stated to be made up of self-replicating nanomachine cells containing Cybernetic "DNA". They have genes. These cells then form larger functional interdependent systems which, in turn, make up the body of the Transformer. It is through cellular replication that Transformers heal and grow, and even allows them to reproduce.

Metabolism: Contrary to popular belief, Transformers do indeed eat and drink. This is shown multiple times in canon. Aside from Energon, their primary energy source, Transformers also consume metals, oil, other fuels, and other base materials from which they derive energy and raw materials for cellular growth. The sources of these nutrients include several Cybertronian dishes mentioned within the canon and the consumption of Cyber-plants and the "flesh"of various cyber-fauna, which one could conclude form the ingredients of these various dishes. Some Transformers have even been known to engage in cannibalism.

Growth: Transformers do indeed grow. Being made up of self-replicating nanomachine cells easily allows for the overall increase in mass through cellular replication brought on by anabolic processes. There are a number of key examples of this. Alpha Trion is shown at various stages of his life, from a young adult, to middle-age, to venerable elder. In the 1986 movie, we see various Lithonian (another Transformer race) children of various ages running around. In Victory #10 there are numerous Decepticon children of various ages, and in the earlier Victory #6 we see a flash-back of Starsaber and Deathsaurus when they were children. This is definitive evidence of growth.

Given that they are covered in rigid armored exoskeletons (which also form the sections of their alternate modes' shells), young Transformers would need to shed their armor periodically as they out-grow them, essentially reverting to "protoform" state before trans-scanning a larger alternate mode (of their individual base alt mode type), more appropriate to their larger mass, and then growing new armor.

Adaptation: Transformers are, perhaps, some of the most adaptable forms of life in the universe, readily adapting to virtually any environment or world. Their ability to take on alternate modes to blend in with the worlds they visit, adjust to different fuels, assimilate different cultures and languages, are all exemplary examples of their adaptability.

Response to Stimuli: Transformers sensory systems are some of the most advanced of any species. Aside from the typical sight, smell, hearing, taste, and touch, they also have electromagnetic sensors, thermal sensors, and many more. These allow them to quickly absorb information and react to situations around them. The cognitive abilities of the humanoid Transformer species in particular, are on par with Human intelligence, leading to full sentience as well. This is clear evidence of the ability to respond to stimuli.

Reproduction: Perhaps the most controversial of all of the required criteria among Transformers fans. Within the canon, Transformers have been established to have multiple means of producing new life. These include construced bodies and/or protoforms imbued with a Spark (from The Matrix, Vector Sigma, the Allspark, etc.), budding, and even evidence of sexual reproduction through the union of male and female.

Many fans believe that "because Transformers are 'robots', they cannot reproduce, they cannot mate and bear offspring, they have to be built, just like Earth robots." What these fans fail to take into account, it that Transformers are not Earth robots, and not limited by our current level of robotic technology. They are living organisms, bound by the laws of biology. Their bodies are made up of self-replicating nanomachine cells containing cybernetic DNA. They're male and female, they seek out mates among the opposite sex, they even marry, and have been shown, in various canon sources, to have children from these unions.

It was only Marvel comics which ever established Transformers as genderless—with no females at all— and even there they could reproduce through the asexual process of budding. If, in the one continuity where they were indeed sexless, they could reproduce asexually, then, it stands to reason, that in all of the continuities where they are male and female, they can reproduce sexually. This is backed up by the numerous Transformer families we see in the canon. The only thing we never see is the actual act of mating. We don't even see Spike and Carly mate and yet we know Daniel was conceived through their union. There is no reason for it to be any different with Transformers, just because they're "robots". There is more evidence of Transformer sexual reproduction than there is human sexual reproduction within the canon.

This is my theory on the matter based upon what little we know in canon and the inherent limitations of their physiology and necessities of transformation, as well as real world biology:

The male reproductive system consists of a tank which produces and contains the male's cyber-spermatozoa. These contain a randomized mix of half of the male's genes as well as a small amount of Spark energy—the Spark is suffused throughout every cell in a Cybertronian's body (see MtMtE #8). Leading from this reservoir are tubing and pipes which connect to the main reproductive interface. Also connected to this main line are lines from the liquid waste receptacle similar to mammalian males, but likely taking the form of a retractable line and cables capped with a nozzle-like jack, not a phallus (See Bumblebee from the 2007 movie when he "lubricated" on Agent Simmons). This is all protected by the male's retractible "cod plate". Males constantly produce cyber-spermatozoa over the course of their adult lives.

The female reproductive system consists of a rigid ovoid reproductive/gestation chamber located in the lower abdomen and pelvic girdle between the hip mechanisms thus necessitating proportionately wider hips than males. At the top of this chamber are two ovarian nodes in which maturing cyber-ova develop before being released (usually one at a time) into the chamber for fertilization. At the bottom of the chamber is the interface port which is embedded in the seam of the two retractable "birth plates". These are all protected by the female's pelvic armor, which also has a seam running along the center-line that opens to facilitate interfacing or birth. There is no "vagina" and the gestation chamber does not expand during pregnancy. It is of a fixed size. The female only has a limited number of cyber-ova, limiting the number of offspring she can bear over the course of her reproductive life. The exact length and frequency of her fertility cycle, and whether it is a menstrual cycle, estrus cycle, or something else entirely is up for debate, as is whether she ceases to be fertile in her advanced years (as with Humans) or not (as with many other animals).

Power leads in the tip of the male interface jack and female interface port are extremely sensitive erogenous zones.

When interfacing, the male plugs his interface jack into the female's interface port, initiating an energy build-up culminating in the release of the male's cyber-spermatozoa directly into the female's reproductive chamber where they race to link with any potential mature cyber-ova that may have been released by the female's ovarian nodes into the chamber. Should one be present, one of the Cyber-spermatozoa merges with it, initiating gestation during which the genes and Spark energies within each, merge forming a complete zygote which develops within the gestation chamber over time into a new baby.

After gestation is complete, the female's pelvic armor opens, and the birth plates retract allowing the offspring to be removed from the gestation chamber. Given the fixed size of the female's gestation chamber her offspring would, by necessity be very small in relation to her. The infant would grow relatively quickly (though how quick has not been established) being nursed on an energon-rich "milk"—made up of metals and other minerals and nutrients dissolved in an energon solution—produced by the mother's Energomammary synthesizers—until fully weaned between the equivalent ages of human one to two year old, when they start eating "solid" foods.

The exact length of time for each stage of development—Gestation, infancy, toddler, childhood, pre-pubescence, adolescence, adulthood) is undetermined, but canon sources suggest it is significantly longer than that of humans, given that they live for millions, if not tens or hundreds of millions of years (the oldest known Transformers are the lesser gods known as the Original Thirteen Primes, including Alpha Trion and Vector Prime, who have lived for over ten billion years). As Optimus told Raf in TF Prime, Cybertronian life cycles are far longer than that of humans. How much longer is the question.

This is a diagram of the internal anatomy of male and female Cybertronians, detailing all of their major internal systems, including the reproductive systems, as I envision them.

Transformers, Optimus Prime, and Elita One, © Hasbro and Tomy/Takara.
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equigoyle In reply to shark235 [2020-04-21 04:38:12 +0000 UTC]

I just watched the scene you are referring to.  Unfortunately, those weren't children.  Just bad animation and bad angles showcasing adult Transformers.  A few may have been minibots.

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shark235 In reply to equigoyle [2020-04-21 16:04:17 +0000 UTC]

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equigoyle In reply to shark235 [2020-04-21 18:03:52 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, that's the problem with G1.  To my eyes though, especially after watching the series, I think it was an animation error.  I won't say no to anyone headcannoning they're kids but realistically . . . I don't think that's what the animators were after.

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shark235 In reply to equigoyle [2020-04-21 18:10:27 +0000 UTC]

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equigoyle In reply to shark235 [2020-04-21 19:28:32 +0000 UTC]

Oh, BIG time.  One of the biggest disappointments and hardest things to fix.  Still has some good memories though.
At least the first two seasons.  Will never watch the movie again or season 3.  They SLAUGHTERED Optimus!

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Tramp-Graphics In reply to shark235 [2019-07-14 18:52:38 +0000 UTC]

Ugh. 😒

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Tramp-Graphics In reply to shark235 [2019-06-18 21:50:35 +0000 UTC]

Amen.

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Tramp-Graphics In reply to shark235 [2019-05-30 23:44:07 +0000 UTC]

No, they are not immortal, just very long-lived. And no, you can't have romance without reproduction. Romance is courtship behavior. courtship behavior evolved specifically in order for individuals to find mates with which to breed and produce offspring. And as for that guy's post, I say Hogwash

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Tramp-Graphics In reply to shark235 [2019-06-03 20:57:00 +0000 UTC]

Other than the fact that, on screen it's established that they live for millions of years, but still do physically age

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equigoyle [2019-05-26 01:23:37 +0000 UTC]

This is detailed . . . and it makes sense.  I have read in other places, predominantly 'fanon' ideas the Transformers produce via a Spark Bond.  What is your take on that?  In some instances, a 'newspark' is carefully removed from the spark of the femme and placed in a 'protoform' or infant.   Would that make biological sense?  

I am not sure sometimes where canon is canon and 'fanon' is 'fanon'.  I have read some pieces where the spark is nothing but a ball of energy.  Yet in other sources, which I think comes from the live action films, a spark is encased in some form of silicone based crystalline substance.  To 'merge sparks' which creates the fanon idea of a bond . . . would that be physically impossible, or possible?  Your charts present the notion that a 'spark merge' could potentially be impossible.  Of course I could be wrong.

Also, I am of the opinion that Cybertronians DO have gender.  They are male and female.  That Fuman guy, or whatever his name is, is a whack.  

Even so, this idea challenges the notion of the All Spark.  So my thought is . . . what if the Well of All Sparks in actually a burial ground of sorts?  It is not, in fact, a place where mecha go to experience the birthing of a new being, but it is in fact a place where they take their dead.  

Anyway, interesting.  

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Tramp-Graphics In reply to equigoyle [2019-05-27 20:44:08 +0000 UTC]

I disagree with the idea of “spark bonding” and the like. They’re not biologically sound. First of all, the spark core is not a reproductive organ. It’s essentially the heart of a The Spark is essentially the soul and blood. It’s not a means of reproduction. Reproduction needs to involve cellular replication, and canonically, Transformers are made up of cells. Their cells simply happen to be self-replicating nanomachines.

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equigoyle In reply to Tramp-Graphics [2019-05-27 22:27:16 +0000 UTC]

True, so what is another way to create the 'bond' as it is called with so many within the fandom now?  Typically, from what little I have gathered, the 'bond' is unique as the bonded pair is able to sense the others emotions, hear their thoughts and feel their pain on a deeper level than normal.  If bonding via the spark is not applicable, what else could do this?  Would there be a spiritualistic ritual or medical procedure that could create this bond, or would the Transformer pairs find a way themselves?

Thanks for the reply, by the way. 

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Tramp-Graphics In reply to equigoyle [2019-05-28 02:24:15 +0000 UTC]

A “spark bond” is a spiritual bond, not a physical one. And, as such, would not result in offspring. The only instance in TF canon of two sparks forming a new spark was the forced merger of Tigertron and Airazor to create Tigerhawk. The key difference here is that this wasn’t reproduction. It wasn’t two sparks creating new life while also remaining their own entities. It was two sparks becoming one single spark by being fused together.

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equigoyle In reply to Tramp-Graphics [2019-05-28 05:21:21 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm,  point.  So, how could one create that 'spiritual' spark bond and still have that telepathic link that is so prevalent?  I've only ever seen it through the 'merging' of sparks as previously mentioned, and thus can find no other way for two newly mated bots to have that 'spiritual' link that is so prevalent in the TF fandom.  Also, I have read in places that sparks are likened to miniature stars.  In that sense, wouldn't one spark practically consume the other?  Stars with greater mass typically bloat themselves by sucking up the mass of other stars.  Wouldn't a 'merging' of sparks work the same way?

Speaking of 'merging,' I never saw Beast Machines or whatever it was, and frankly I may be one of the only fans who has absolutely no interest in it.  I've heard it's a good series I just . . . well, the idea doesn't appeal to me.  Not sure why.  I guess because it was an entirely different story and the characters were so different.  I preferred Optimus Prime and Ironhide . . . you know, all the familiar and iconic characters.  I understand Beast Machines was another era, that they were 'descendants' but it still just . . . isn't my thing.

Also, I'm not sure I buy the idea of Tigertron and Airazor becoming a completely different being, a single being yes, but an entirely different being through the merging of two sparks.  IF the spark is their soul, then that would mean that each individual soul or 'identity' is wiped out.  I don't believe that is possible.  A soul is infinite and cannot be changed.  Science fiction and other sources often falsely state otherwise but . . . it's a cartoon.  Even so, I think this instance created some confusion and excitement within the fandom.  I wonder if this is where the idea of 'spark bonding' as a possible form of reproduction came from?  Ignorance is bliss in most cases - and most certainly with a large number of TF fans and producers.  I wonder if some fans think that Tigerhawk is the child of Tigertorn and Airazo?  Could this be what started the fad?

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Tramp-Graphics In reply to equigoyle [2019-05-31 00:11:03 +0000 UTC]

Well, first off, that "telepathic" link you describe is not something that occurs in canon. It's a fan made concept. So I wouldn't put too much stock into it. So  a "Spark bond" isn't physical. It's essentially a marriage, it's ceremonial. We do have examples of Transformers getting married, or, more precisely, already established as being married.  And the term "Spark Mates" is canonically a term used to describe such a relationship, particularly with the aforementioned Tigertron and Airazor. 

Tigertron and Airazor's merging was not their doing. It was forcibly done to them by a group known as the [url= tfwiki.net/wiki/Vok]Vok[/url]. And it wasn't just their sparks that were fused, it was their bodies too.  tfwiki.net/wiki/Tigerhawk  Initially, the Vok abducted Airazor and Tigertron, extracted their Sparks, forcibly fused their bodies together, and two Vok inhabited the new Tigerhawk. The sparks of Airazor and Tigertron followed behind, and eventually were able to regain control over the new body by merging together, becoming a single entity. Tigerhawk was eventually killed by Megatron, but later, in the 3H comics, after the Beast Wars were over, the extant sparks of Tigertron and Airazor were granted new Transmetal bodies, once again becoming two distinct individuals. This occurred in Primeval Dawn parts I and II tfwiki.net/wiki/Airazor_(BW).
So the creation of Tigerhawm was the permanent fusion of two bodies and two sparks together into a single entity, not a reproductive process. 

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equigoyle In reply to Tramp-Graphics [2019-05-31 03:51:05 +0000 UTC]

Okay, that makes sense.  I was having trouble figuring out what was cannon and what was fannon.  Sometimes even Wikipedia isn't very clear and its been the only real resource I've had.  I was partially familiar with a 'spark bond' in the cannon sense but not so familiar with the fact it was strictly a ceremonial marriage process.  I thought it was all linked together or something.  I do recall reading that a bonding involves four stages of proving ones affection for the other with acts of service, or something like that, but I'm not sure any more if that was also cannon or just another example of fannon interpretation. 

To be honest, I do like the idea of the 'telepathic' link between a bonded pair, even if it is a fandom born idea.  I don't know, there's just something deeper about it.  Even so, I know the spark is not a reproductive organ but in a hypothetical sense could the merging of sparks - not as we see with Airazor and Tigertron - create the telepathic link I spoke about, or would it be through an entirely different means altogether?  Would merging sparks together be too dangerous to attempt?

In some cannon, the spark is nothing more than a ball of energy.  We saw this in the episode you mentioned, Primeval Dawn (I've seen stills through Google Images and stuff) and in Transformers Animated, though I have not seen one single episode of that series.  But in the live action film verse, the spark is depicted as something similar but contained within a crystal ball type structure.  We saw this in Revenge of the Fallen when Optimus crushed the Fallen's spark - and I'm honestly surprised there wasn't a miniature supernova or anything like that - and then again in Age of Extinction when we see Optimus's spark during the scene where Cade is working to repair him.  Frankly, I like the idea of a spark being safely contained in some crystalline element instead of being completely exposed as we saw in TFA when Sari restored Optimus.  To me, that little ball of electricity could go out far more easily being so exposed than it would when encased in whatever substance is depicted in the live action films.  But even in the comics, if memory serves, sparks are just little balls of energy.  I think folks have called them 'miniature suns' in places.  I could be getting my source material mixed up again, though. 

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Tramp-Graphics In reply to equigoyle [2019-05-31 19:51:31 +0000 UTC]

The Spark only takes the form of a sphere of energy if it has left the body for some reason. Otherwise it suffuses every cell within the Cybertronian. The spark core (which is what most think of as the Spark) pumps this energy throughout the body. 

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equigoyle In reply to Tramp-Graphics [2019-05-31 20:42:58 +0000 UTC]

Hmm... not sure what to do then as far as that 'link' everyone loves so much.  I myself thought it was a pretty cool idea.  

I may also have to study the chart you made a little more as far as the spark is concerned.  I've got it stuck in my head that it is sealed in a crystal - something, like in Revenge of the Fallen.  I suppose that's not wrong.  But coherency to cannon biology would be good too.

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Tramp-Graphics In reply to equigoyle [2019-06-03 20:55:55 +0000 UTC]

Check out this article on Sparks:  tfwiki.net/wiki/Spark

Here's one passage from it:
"The G1 More Than Meets The Eye  guidebook from Dreamwave  specifically states that a spark is normally "suffused" throughout a Transformer's body rather than residing in any particular place. It may be that this is also true after the Great Upgrade and the spark chamber is merely a protected location for the spark to coalesce when needed or be safely contained during stasis lock . Meanwhile, making things more confusing is the cutaway diagrams of G1 Optimus Prime and Megatron in Transformers: The Ultimate Guide  including spark chambers."

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equigoyle In reply to Tramp-Graphics [2019-06-03 22:30:43 +0000 UTC]

Wow. . . that had a LOT of info.  And it is still confusing.  Predominantly, it seems the spark is just some kind of ball of energy and yet in some cases it has a strong outer shell, like in the films.  There are references to it being crushed . . . Man, all this cannon stuff is wacked and inconsistent.  I'll just have to come up with something that takes a little bit of everything from canon and makes it more coherent...at least for me.  It still doesn't quite explain a spark bond or how it could be possible . . . but maybe I could think something up.  In one instance a spark is 'suffused' throughout a Transformers body and at other times a spark can 'free float', so maybe . . .  I don't know.  Will have to think about that one.  

One question I have - and I do appreciate your patience and being willing to answer my questions - is regarding a 'breathing' apparatus.  Its predominantly apparent that Transformers do not breath.  They don't need to; they're not organic.  And yet in Transformers Prime, specifically the episode "Sick Mind" we see Optimus lying on a med-berth 'breathing heavily' as if in pain or general discomfort.  There's a few other instances where the other characters also exhibit this behavior.  Cliffjumper even spits out energon as though it were seeping down his throat or something just before Starscream killed him in "Darkness Rising Part One."  I looked over the diagram and did not see anything which could illustrate a possible respiratory system for Transformers. 

How do you imagine they would breathe?  Surely they need oxygen or something to be able to keep their systems running.  Our vehicles today - though ridiculously outclassed by advanced beings like Transformers - still use filters and such to help keep engines cool.  Of course its more involved than that.  There are water pumps and the like, as well.  Coolants.  All of this would of course play a major role in keeping a Transformer's body from overheating, but would they also use a sort of fan, water pumps and a filter of sorts to use in place of lungs?  I think it was in your description that you mentioned Transformers - and maybe it was on Wiki too - but somewhere it was mentioned that Transformers do consume other sources of nutrients other than just energon.  There were references somewhere of Transformers consuming some kind of fruit, and I think this is predominantly from the Beast era.  Thus, it stands to reason that Transformers would drink water and would have to have a source of water on Cybertron to help keep their systems cool.  Is this a wrong assumption? 

What are your thoughts on that?  I may have to go back and re-read the description to be sure, but the fact a Transformer may or may not be able to breathe was unclear.  IF they do, I don't think they would draw a breath as frequently as we do?  Perhaps their breathing would become more agitated in such cases of battle, fear or anger and the like, but it may still be different from us.  Every bit of their anatomy is a mild reflection of ourselves though clearly mechanical.  You mentioned in your comments that they would excrete waste, which is something I have always wondered about.  I have thought that they would not need to, that their bodies would utilize every bit of nutrients they consume, including lubricant.  Here it seems they would STILL excrete waste.  My curious questions is; why?  They are living beings, surely, but still mechanoids, and it seems they consume chemical infused energy sources, most of which evaporate or something like that as it is used.  Our fuels today do the same thing.  What is different about the advanced systems of a Transformer that inspired the thought that they could excrete waste?  What sort of waste would they excrete?  Excess water, like we do at times?  And if they do consume some form of semi-organic plants like in the Beast era, would it be solid waste or predominantly liquid waste?  I would imagine liquid waste but I'm not certain anymore...   

Transformers are more complex that we imagined, it seems, and a lot more like us than some fans and writers like to think.  But I think it makes sense.  They are living sentient beings fully capable reproducing, loving, learning and dying.  It's .... cool.

Sorry to keep asking complicated questions, but this is interesting info and it does help. 

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Tramp-Graphics In reply to equigoyle [2019-06-05 23:14:23 +0000 UTC]

Transformers do breathe, but not for the same reasons we do. They do take in air for the purpose of cooling.

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shark235 In reply to equigoyle [2019-05-27 20:30:54 +0000 UTC]

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equigoyle In reply to shark235 [2019-05-27 22:30:16 +0000 UTC]

True.  I think that is a problem with our mentality.  We like to image alien creatures, or even sentient alien robots, and yet they can't be more sentient and capable that us because then it is just 'too' alien.  I can understand why...it is a bizarre concept that an alien robotic being or organism could evolve enough to reproduce.  But if they have evolved enough then who is it for us to say?  I just can't stand the idea of genderless 'forging' and yet the writers claim that certain bots 'identify' as male or female.  That political nonsense gets old.  The 'budding' idea just wierded me out and did not feel natural.  The forging idea .... it just feels like a cop out.  

Thanks for reply though! 

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shark235 In reply to equigoyle [2020-04-20 23:36:13 +0000 UTC]

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equigoyle In reply to shark235 [2020-04-21 03:20:13 +0000 UTC]

You are not the only one in that minority.  I too think they should have gender and reproduce and raise their own offspring.  It would be so interesting and so cute to see them grow up and for the human characters to be able to relate to them in some way.  Imagine someone like Spike being told Optimus grew up a certain way, that he had a mother and a father.  

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shark235 In reply to equigoyle [2020-04-21 16:04:59 +0000 UTC]

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equigoyle In reply to shark235 [2020-04-21 18:04:06 +0000 UTC]

Totally cute!!!

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shark235 In reply to equigoyle [2020-04-22 16:46:01 +0000 UTC]

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equigoyle In reply to shark235 [2020-04-22 18:19:19 +0000 UTC]

LOL!!  True!!

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