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Bert: oh god Annie........your safe...
Annie: b-blood?
Bert: I'm ok Annie really lets jus-
Annie: no! How did you- who did you?
Bert: Annie I'm fine really just little scratch....that's all.....
Annie: *tiny sob* I still can't believe you guys did this for me......
Bert: Let's go home......
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In case you didn't know, beauts means beautiful.
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**gasp!!** Then thank you!!
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You are very much welcome!
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^J^ kolkolkolkolkolkol~
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Ship! Love this pairing.
Great work, it's so emotional
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Thank you very much again!
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This has been my OTP...ever since Petra died. O_O THERE'S STILL HOPE FOR THIS ONE!!! PLEASE, BE REAL, PLEASE BE REAL!
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I CAN BE MORE AGREE WITH YOU ;-;
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OMG ME TOO!! I WISH ISAYAMA STILL GOES FOR THIS. *SCREAMS LOUDLY*
XD
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We will continue to hope! 
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I know right!? It's got so many potential. And maybe their childhood past too. T^T.
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That I really want to see. Are you up to date on the manga?
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Yep. I am. But I'm not paying attention that much to the details lately. Lacking Annie and to a lesser extent, BeruAni, is definitely hurting my attention span for the manga. T^T
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Yeah. Luckily, things are finally starting to pick up the pace again. *sigh* First it looks like we're gonna hafta get a better background on a certain Levi "Ackerman" first. It will take too long to get back to Annie I think. ;w;
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It did pick up the pace. Seeing as how we finally got Levi's last name. XD
But uhh...yeah. Without anything about Annie, especially her background, then I'm pretty much hype-less for the manga. It'd probably take a year or two before Isayama goes back to what's going on with the Outsider Titans team. Although I'm still going to read the manga, regardless. XD
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This looks like a possible scenario to me.
I LOOVVVVEE IIIIIIIIIIIITTT OMG ASDFGHJKL.
Its so sad that Annie doesn't seem to notice or even talk to Bertholdt. It hurts people right in the feels.
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Well, I'm not sure with Annie not talking to Bert. I actually doubt, that of all the 5 years they've been allies, they haven't talked at all. Remember that Annie keeps in tabs with them in terms of her spying for info e.g.Wall Cult being onto Krista(so they must've really talked XD). But who knows? Maybe they really hadn't...
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I was already aware of the fact that the two of them speak to each other regarding the assault on humanity and wall breaking and all that nonsense they chose to do, but the fact is that they do not seem to interact otherwise as friends or even allies is all. Annie chose to walk away that time when Erwin recruited the class to join the Recon, and Bert's standing there with this sad expression as she goes. We never see them do ANYTHING together at all. Not sure if Bert's just a little shy around her or that Annie is just that difficult for him to get along with. We can only assume the two of them grew up around each other due to the fact that they share the same home town (what was the name of that place?), but they must not have been close.
On another note, She seems to speak to others more often (Like Armin and Eren) then the people she actually is teamed with. She is sure strange. I wish somebody could explain her bizarre nature. Like that thing with the bet she mentioned to Armin in ep. 24 or 25.
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Well, since the manga hasn't ended yet, there's still a possibility that Bertolt and Annie did talk before, besides their mission stuff. Before R&B's revelation, I don't think the author wanted to put a conversation between them yet because it would ruin the surprise as to who's Annie's comrades are. So the author probably kept things to a minimum. And no, I disagree that we've never seen them do anything together at all. It's pretty subtle but refer to chapter 18. After us knowing that BAR are comrades, it would make sense that just these two are working together during training, not counting Jean. And remember, Jean also commented, "Annie and Bertolt again" during that time. It's possible to draw conclusions that it's a common occurrence for Jean to see both of them together during training. So yeah, I wouldn't say that we haven't seen them do anything together at all. We still haven't seen all three's past yet. Just glimpses of it. And like I said, the manga hasn't ended yet.
And I don't believe that Annie had talked that much to Armin before(or even that close to him), especially during their trainee days. If she had, there wouldn't be a need for her to say those things during the gear inspection about him being a weakling and so does Armin saying like it's his first time to see that Annie is actually pretty nice(which really is his first time). And that bet with Armin in eps 24-25, I'm pretty sure it meant who's going to fall first on the traps and tricks they've got.
Besides that, I don't think any of us know the true Annie yet. To us who read the manga first, episode 23 of the anime was pretty much a surprise on how Annie's reaction differs in the manga. Nobody expected that they would change Annie's smile into a laugh instead. And it was the author himself who suggested the change of the whole scene in the first place! Remarking that the meaning of Annie's laugh is that she can finally drop the act now and she can be her true self once more. So I wouldn't really conclude that Annie doesn't notice Bert at all, not till we've seen their whole past or when the manga ends.
Also, R&B's reaction when they heard about Annie being tortured, that sure pretty seems like they know Annie well. Or at least, I believe that their relationship is not how it seems to be(e.g. Annie doesn't like R&B at all and doesn't want to be with them may not be true).
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Ah! I never knew those things! That puts a whole different take on the matter for me. I still will doubt that Annie and Bert had been romantically associated with each other in the story until I see some proof of it in the series; but I still want to see them together, don't get me wrong. I just haven't seen much interaction with each other on a personal level yet so I was skeptical of Annie's feelings towards Bert. I got that Armin bit mixed up too because I still haven't figured out WHY she bothered to let him live when she had enough oppurtunities to kill him as it is; so I figured that she was briefly a friend of his before that whole female titan debacle. I don't suppose you know why he lived do you?
Anyway, the subtlety in the series makes it hard for me to understand since I can be thick-headed and I never knew that Jean bit either, so I'll have to take a closer look at that manga again. But I also misinterpretted that Annie did not want to stay around Bert and Reiner because she walked away during Erwin's attempt at recruiting if you recall. Bertholdt had an expression on his face that gave me the impression that he was sad when she left for the military police. I wager they didn't discuss much about what they would do whenever the time came for them to make their decisions as to what they would join what.
I don't suppose you can clarify that could you? It sounds to me that you have a better idea of understanding the manga and the anime better than most others.
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Warning! I love Annie so much that I could theorize a whole lot of things about her personality and make long paragraphs about her. Read if you have lots of time at your hands. XD
I believe that Annie has a soft spot for anyone she knows in the 104th Trainee Corps. Remember, that it wasn't just Armin who she didn't tried to kill. It's also quite subtle, but Mikasa as well. She actually had plenty, very plenty of chances to kill her off too, and it's very evident in the anime that Annie didn't even tried to kill Mikasa. Most of the punches she throws at Mikasa aren't even serious and we know she could do better. Heck, Mikasa is that one person who actually started a fight with her in the past and had the most killing intent in this arc against her, and yet she didn't bother killing her? Strange. And I believe that's the case with Jean too. It seemed like it took her awhile to actually just make a move and swoop for the kill in episode 17 and chapter 23(It's much more pronounced in the manga though). Armin just happened to be the obvious one that she spared, 'coz I think it's because Armin didn't really engage maneuver gear combat with her, especially in the manga. Well, besides having a soft spot for the 104th, I believe it's to make a point about humanity, Annie's humanity in particular. During the same arc, remember Armin's speech to Jean, that in order to change something, they have to sacrifice something in exchange as well even it means giving up their humanity? It's to make a point that Annie wasn't able to do that(but she was close to), and that tiny bit of humanity eventually lead to her downfall. Yeah, Annie couldn't abandon her humanity. Plenty of subtleties with her personality. I could go on and on about this side of Annie. Gosh I love this so much about her. XD
And that case with Annie leaving for the MP? It's still a mystery. It could just as easily be as you have said. Or! The three of them really did discussed things ahead of time about the change of plans, with Bert looking behind because he's just that worried. I'm believing the latter, due to Reiner being the person not to look behind. Simple. Reiner is obviously the leader and strategist of their trio. Since it seemed like he didn't had any problem with Annie leaving, it may mean that they have discussed about this already. Remember too that Annie doesn't really actually act on her own unless she's required too. And for the most part, she asks stuffs first and permission before acting on her own. In chapter 7, she asked Reiner what to do(which really does make Reiner the strategist-leader of their trio) and she even asked in a filler scene in ep12 if it's possible to deviate from orders when needed. But dunno, just my two cents. I could be wrong since the manga hasn't ended yet. I'm leaning towards the latter though that they discussed about matters.
Oh, and when I mean Bert and Annie may have talked in the past besides mission stuff, I don't mean any romantic implications XD. Well, maybe on Bert's side, but with Annie's side, yeah, that's what I don't know either. But I'm willing to bet general friendliness for her, not romantic. Because if they were that close, she would've remembered Bert too instead of just her father before she got crystallized(or maybe Annie is just that oblivious that she doesn't know there are still people who cares for her other than her father XD). That's why I'm waiting for another flashback arc. This time with BAR as the focus since I believe that flashback arc is the key to BAR's true selves. But it seems like we're not getting to it yet since we're focusing on Krista judging from the latest chapter.
Yup, that's why I can't really say my theory is all that conclusive because we haven't seen their past and the manga hasn't ended yet. But I just have the feeling this is Annie's case due to the author's commentary in episode 23's scene change. We haven't seen real Annie yet. Which I'm willing to guess that she shows it quite a bit unconsciously when she's talking with just Bertolt, Reiner or both together with no others to see them that much. Thus making R&B's reaction to hearing of Annie's torture all the more meaningful.
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I wouldn't doubt Annie has some feeling for SOME of her comrades, like when she apologized to the dead after the attack on Trost. But contradictory to that statement she flipped Reiner flat onto his back in training while wearing a terrifying expression after he said something about her getting shorter. We know he was joking around, but Annie's face seemed to hint otherwise. Annie seems a little more sensitive then we believe, whether or not its just a lousy insult or a full-on fight. Annie seems unable to let some things go and she was defeated by Eren and the others in Stohess because she couldn't let go of her humanity. She still has inner walls to climb herself, metaphorically speaking.
On another note, I am not sure that Reiner is the strategist in their trio due to his mental mistakes. Like for instance later on somewhere in chapter 46 when they kidnapped Eren he said something odd... "Fortunately, the wall wasn't broken. We can talk promotions later." Then he went on about the incident like he didn't remember the transformation thing. Bertholdt had to stop him and say "We're Warriors." in order for Reiner to remember. What's worse is that Ymir said he was fabricating memories and whatnot because he can't stand what he has done. I highly doubt on that note Reiner is a 'leader' of any sort with a weak constitution like that. Come to think of it, it seems to me that Betholdt is the only one who hasn't any problems with losing his humanity or has any mental instabilities like Reiner and Annie. It seems odd, but I think he has more of a leader thing going for him then the other two. Does that make sense?
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Remember though, Annie flipped Reiner down during hand-to-hand combat training. She said so herself that she doesn’t take that course seriously and it’s just to unwind herself from earlier’s rough training. Besides, it was made obviously for laughs when she kicked Reiner down. And as described by Eren as well in other chapters, Annie has a weird sense of humor. Regardless of the stare, she still followed Reiner’s command. And as you see, Reiner didn’t take that stare as hatred towards him either. Really, it’s not that contradictory if you think of Annie as somewhat a kuudere kind of person(which I believe she is, albeit harsher than the usual ones). And if we go one step ahead with everything, Bertolt and Reiner are really the only ones who she could actually depend on. So why the heck would she have to hate the two people who shares the same guilt and pain as hers? And judging from Bertolt and Reiner’s attitude towards her in the latest chapters, it didn’t seem like they felt Annie had ill will towards them and vice versa. With Bert being actually the one who said that the next time they come back to the walls in chapter 47, they would already bring back her, Krista and the coordinate with them.
With the leader and strategist thing, if you look at the first guidebook stats, Bertolt actually isn’t the smartest among the three. He has an intelligence of 6/10, while both Reiner and Annie are 7/10. If you pay close attention too, Bertolt just follows whatever Reiner really has to say. He doesn’t stop him. Remember chapter 42? Yeah, he doesn't stop Reiner from talking. He tried to, but it was a small protest and he had to have Eren on his side to try and say to Reiner that he's just that tired. Similar to Annie as well, he asks questions to Reiner like why bring Ymir with them? If he really was the leader and strategist, he should've already seen through Ymir's obsession with Krista and its usefulness. He has to be even reminded by Reiner about Krista's importance. Besides that, he really just lacks that authority feeling from him. When he said that that "We're Warriors" thing too, it was Ymir who had to prompt him to do it. That really just goes to show how much Bertolt is still a follower. And no. Bertolt wasn't able to lose/abandon all of his humanity and he has a problem with it too. The moment he made that whole speech in chapter 48 to ask for sympathy and responded to Armin's taunt about Annie being tortured, that's the point that we know he still has that humanity in him and it also lead to them losing that battle. Really he's just as broken as Reiner and Annie is. Their mental instabilities are not that much of an issue because all three of them have one. It's very impossible for someone like him, who's being portrayed as nothing but a normal boy in recent chapters, not to get broken due to their actions. Believe me, if you're thinking straight, you shouldn't have the need to earnestly garner sympathy from the people you've betrayed. So no, mental instability is not a criteria for leadership in their team.
Annie, on the other hand, can’t be the leader because she’s still a lone wolf at heart and lacks the social skills to bring all three of them together, which Reiner actually excels at.
This really leaves us to Reiner being the leader. Despite having dual sides, both of those still shouts 'leader' from him. Even in Eren’s small flashbacks with him(ch.43), you see he’s the one leading the team. The instructors also remarked how he’s able to gain trust of his comrades. And if you read ch.46 and ch.47, he’s the one who does all of the explaining, turns the tide of the argument against Ymir(ch.46), and he was the person who still had the final decision whether to go back for Krista or not(ch.47). That’s really a big thing for chapter 46, since Ymir herself is calculative and knows how to press it against people too, as you’ve seen a lot of times from the same chapter to Krista’s flashback in ch.40, but it was Reiner who countered and blackmailed her. His mental illness isn’t really that much of problem when things get serious on the matters with his warrior side. I really do believe during certain times when it’s really needed, he does go back to his original warrior mode, which Bertolt and Annie really depends on. An example of that would be during the FT arc as well. It was Reiner who passed the info to the FemaleTitan!Annie that Eren is in the center rear of the formation. That clearly is a sign that Reiner reverts back to warrior mode at the right needed times, which actually what matters for most of the operations they do.
Lastly, the reason why I think Reiner is the leader and strategist is because of this ch.48 cover. Look at which person the Armored Titan parallels at. Armin, right? Now think back on the foreshadows done by the author in the manga. When Eren was talking about how the Colossus and Armored Titans looked like(ch.15), the panels simply panned through Bert and Reiner's faces. If you really believe that kind of foreshadowing, then perhaps this cover of chapter 48 really tells you what the Titan trio’s roles are. Bertolt is to Eren's parallel as seen from this cover and volume 1's , Annie is to Mikasa’s and Reiner is to Armin’s. Armin’s role in his trio, I believe is being the leader and strategist of the team.
I think the reason why most of the fandom thinks that Reiner is to Eren while Bert is to Armin parallels is because of the specific part of their personalities respectively: hot-bloodedness and self-esteem issues. I actually believe the opposite one from most of what the fandom thinks(the one I stated in the previous paragraph). I believe this because I think the Titan Trio(specifically the two boys of each team) is supposed to be of contrasting parallels to the Main Three. The ones that are similar are the roles/abilities they have in their own trios, while their dominant traits are supposed to contrast each other. Thus I believe Bert=Eren and Reiner=Armin is the proper one, which makes Reiner really both the leader and main strategist of the team.
Trivia Time! Reiner's name meaning could also have a "warrior" in it while Armin has "soldier." That's one very very LARGE hint of connection over there. And a really really LARGE contrast to each other. XD
It's kinda like a Heart, Body and Mind combination. With Bert and Eren fulfilling the heart, Annie and Mikasa for the body(Imma not talking about how well-endowed they are XD. It's about how they're the most skillful and powerful of the three in combat), while Reiner and Armin for the mind.
Now consider the horrible implications of one of the contributions towards Reiner's breakdown and mental illness....One of the reasons is that he's really the only one who actually has the real ability to lead his guilt-filled trio. And that is an added pressure too I suppose...XD
Well, you could still say that Bert is kind of the leader of the team, if you believe Eren is one. XD. BTW, like I said before, Bertolt is not that smart as Reiner and Annie is....XD. But so is Eren with a 3/10 intelligence(same as Connie's XD), with him being the dumbest in his trio too. XDDD
Then again, I could be wrong with everything. Nevertheless, that's my arguments as to why I think Reiner is the leader. OMG so long...I've got so much time in my hands....XD
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Well, you just blew my mind in terms of the titan trivia. I never saw these things before, otherwise I would have just dropped the entire conversation. Your reasoning is sound and so is the evidence you brought forth. I tip my invisible hat off to you 'o great fan. I guess I have nothing to say to all that.
I mean this in a friendly way when I say you are a smartass (reference to the movie Felidae if your wondering).
Thank you for being patient with my questions and statements all the while correcting me on why some things are what they are. I never had a sophisticated conversation on the series with a fan with their head screwed on straight before, especially with how the rest of the fandom is. You have earned from me a watch and a friend of sorts. I hope you do not mind my questions in the nearest future regarding the story or characters in the scenario that I get confused. You definetly have a lot of time on your hands I'll say, but so do I. Fans of feather flock together right?
Thank you again, my smart-ass friend. 
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Ahaha. It's really a long essay or something. No wonder you'd drop it. I'd probably drop it too, if somebody posted something that long. XD
No problem! But I'm not really an expert with character analysis, meta or stuff. Most of those things I've written are just my thoughts on the matter. I'm not sure if it's even right. Though this is probably what I'm going to believe in, unless the manga provides more evidence otherwise XD.
And yeah, I'm mostly focused on Annie only and maybe a tiny little bit for Reiner and Bertolt. So if you're going to ask about characters other than Annie(and maybe R&B), I'm not sure if I could answer things correctly...Heck, I'm not even sure if most of the answers I've given you are correct...XD
If all these things happen to be wrong, just go get a fish and slap me with it over 9000 times.
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Well I'd love to take a look inside of Armin and Erwin's skulls but they are so smart that I'd doubt anyone could completely reason out why they are the way they are. Hell, I almost wouldn't doubt that with their traits they'd be related in some way. But that's another topic entirely.
As to what we were talking about, I still read EVERY word of what you said so that I could better understand their logic myself... especially when I role play with some other fans or I'm trying to make a an original character tick the way they do. I did not not mind how long it was... I write some pretty long notes myself on occasion. What you brought forth was an interesting and new way to view their complicated role in the series. I love it when a fan does that. You might have accidentally overthink some things but as far as I'm concerned it sounded correct.
I have one other question regarding Reiner and Bertholdt's friend Ymir ate; was his name Berwick or Marlot or something? Because they changed his name lately I think. Oh and I need to know, how do you even pronounce R&B's names? I said Bert's name in front of my mother (who watches the series herself) and she said it differently than what I believed. I was NEVER any good with names, whether it's pronouning, spelling, or remembering them, so I believe my pronounciation of Bert's name is possibly incorrect. I said it originally like Bert-tholdt (with the t again) instead of Bert-Holdt (without the t in the second syllable). Is the latter correct because my mom said it like that.
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Eeh, yup! I don't know much about Armin and Erwin either XD. I'm really kind of stuck with Annie here. XD
Really? I brought a new way of viewing them? What did most fans think of BAR's dynamics anyway? I'm curious. I haven't been looking into the fandom that much since June this year...XD
Marcel(?) (kana: マルセル) is his name right now because that's the correction written in Volume 12, which was released just this month in Japan. Has a (?) since I don't know the proper romanization of it. Just going with what's the common way of spelling it right now. XD
For Reiner, I pronounce it as Rai-ner. Rai as in from the word right XD. And for Bertholdt/Bertolt, I go with Ber-tolt. No H's and D's. That's how his name is spelled in Kodansha USA's translation and Japanese merchandise. But if you really wanna pronounce their names right, then you have to know how to read Japanese XDDDDD.
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Let's think about it this way; the fans don't analyze the BAR characters at all in comparison to you. They just go along with the rest of the fandom. What I had said to you about my apparent incorrect statements were pretty much what the fans believe other than the fact that many people assume (AND I MEAN MANY) that Annie likes Armin or Reiner in an romantic way. (That just bothers me.) Me and my sister know better though.
And you apparently pronounce Bert's name like I do, so I feel a little better about that.
And that also brings me to Jean/Sean's name.....
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Good heavens! XD. Actually, that's really one of the reasons why I haven't been into the fandom that much anymore. Well, especially with that Annie liking Armin in a "romantic way" thing. And Reiner? My gosh. I didn't expect that XD. But really, I just prefer to think of Annie as someone who isn't interested in romance(maybe occasionally plays with it, but still has no real interest with the idea). If I were to describe her in some way, I think of her as some kind of shounen anti-hero (if she was on the protagonist's side) in a girl's body. Unfortunately, she's not on the protagonist's side. T^T.
Nah, that's really just my bias and what I would like to think of Annie anyway. But I'm waiting for the translation of Annie's visual novel or at least a summary of it. Some pics here. This novel actually might give us a really good insight on how Annie acts and thinks. I heard from Japanese fans in Twitter that Annie spoke a lot in this VN. And the fact that this is still under Isayama's supervision, Annie's personality here may be considered as canon. But too bad though, since Annie's visual novel is also bundled with Levi's backstory visual novel, her VN pretty much is going to be the last for concern by translators. She doesn't really have that much fans after all. Especially fans who can read/speak/write Japanese and English fluently...T^T.
Jean's name is pronounced as French Jean. In other words, John with a soft J, almost like a zh(like the zh of Zhao's name in ATLA is pronounced XD) according to what I've heard. But I say it as how Japanese people say it. Plain Jan. Not a soft J at all. XD
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Ah! My sister is a big fan of Annie and she ships Bertholdt and Annie together. if only there were more posts on tumblr about them. She would reblog all of them! Of course, I would do the same.... Short and hard-nosed as she is, Annie would look cute with the tall sweat prince. He would be so cute trying to flirt with her if given the chance. He could be one of those awkward types...
Not all of the fandom is dull and bad, I saw some WICKEDLY clever and funny posts that had me reeling. Like this one: ask-rivailles-squad.tumblr.com…
And Moni98's work...She is astounding. Here's something that's never failed to bring laughs to my face. :moni158.deviantart.com/art/Snk… And this: blackdragonhuntress.deviantart…
By all means, some of the fandom is truly amazing. It's better than the LOK fandom at the very least!
On a side note, I didn't know you were a fan of the avatar series... I adore it.
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