Comments: 12
VampirePrincess007 [2008-01-15 20:48:14 +0000 UTC]
Precioso, me encanta el estilo de la cara, diferente a otros dibus tuyos, muy bonito.
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dasprodukt [2008-01-09 18:04:45 +0000 UTC]
descendats of louhi and so coud be able to spread diseases.
ah, naeddyr said it already, im having bad sight right now :E
nice work!
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dasprodukt [2008-01-09 17:59:42 +0000 UTC]
A Dragon?
i checked the wikipedias, and i think there is a mistake in english one. while it says "snake or dragon" in english wikipedia, in finnish one it says
" ghost, witch, Elf/spirit or troll."
i personally (and many many other finns) think ajattara is a ugly witch-beast, that has woman's upper body and head, and crow's lower body and wings. loud bastard - i wished i could find a clip from movie "ronja rövardotter" (ronia the robber's daughter, based on astrid lindgrens novel). swedes seem to have similar creature in their mythology.
In finnish mythology Louhi, the witch-queen/winter crone of north controls and spreads diseases and pestilence, not ajattara. though ajattaras could be pets or
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romancero [2007-09-30 02:59:30 +0000 UTC]
Fregon, exelente!!!!!!!!!!
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Naeddyr [2007-09-29 21:46:04 +0000 UTC]
I hate myself for being picky here, but the spelling of Ajattar should (probably, I'm not a dialectologist) be Ajattara. Ajatar is ok, though. In Finnish, the doubling of consonants, especially plosives, marks geminates, which are phonemically separate from single consonants, so Ajattara is pronounced a-jat-ta-ra, while ajatar is a-ja-tar. "Ajattar" is impossible in Finnish, because of a phonological sound-change/rule that reduces consonants of a closed syllable (a syllable with a short vowel ending in a consonant) to a 'weaker' consonant. Historically, single consonants, like /p t k/ were reduced to voiced fricatives /β ð ɣ/. /ɣ/ has disappeared in all modern forms of Finnish, so you'll find that /k/ is gradated into nothing (not even a glottal stop, creating long syllables). /ð/ turned into other consonants, like /j/ or /l/ or /r/, I guess, except in some that kept /ð/ (but those have also mostly lost it). In written Finnish, /ð/ was "preserved" as /d/ (also note that this /d/ is more alveolar than the usual unvoiced consonant /t/, which is quite dental) because of hypercorrectism and spelling-pronounciation. /β/ was merged with the pre-existing (I am 99% sure) phoneme /ʋ/.
Geminates simply gradate into single consonants. Thus you have:
tukka > tuka+n or tuka+ssa, but tukka+an
peppu > pepu+lla, pepu+sta, peppu+a etc.
Thus, Ajattar is not a valid Finnish word: it would reduce its geminate to a single /t/, thus Ajatar - which it does! Ajattar- is the stem form of Ajatar, as we can see from its paradigm:
Ajatar
Ajattar+en (not how the geminate is not reduced here, because the /r/ at the end of the stem is shifted to the beginning of the following syllable due to the way Finnish consonants divide consonants between syllables)
Ajatar+ta (this is a word that uses the rare and older -ta form for the partitive, because of the r)
etc.
Ajatar is a folklorical figure that is mostly obscure and generic. You'll never find any specific description, only stuff like "it guards treasure" etc. A generic monster, to me, at least.
In Ronja Rövarsdotter, the book by Astrid Lindgren, the Finnish translation has ajatar or ajattara for the flying harpies that are called g-something or other in the French translation I attempted some time ago.
GOOD JOB >
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verreaux In reply to Naeddyr [2007-09-29 22:51:03 +0000 UTC]
oh thanks for the information, i always have problem with legendary creatures like this because the information is always in english and i dont know if is correct, and thanks for give me the right name
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EspinozaGamez [2007-09-29 19:42:58 +0000 UTC]
esa descripcion me recuerda a Salinas de Gortari
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EspinozaGamez In reply to verreaux [2007-09-29 20:47:20 +0000 UTC]
sobre todo eso del bosque...
"Los Pinos"...
tienen cierto parecido
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Scellanis [2007-09-29 19:15:03 +0000 UTC]
Wow! Totally brilliant! Love the antler idea.
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