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mmpratt99 [2014-11-28 01:53:44 +0000 UTC]
I solved the problem with Mary Sues in my stories by making them annoying, socially-awkward types, the ones you usually see hanging around cosplay conventions.
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unicornomics [2014-07-22 17:55:20 +0000 UTC]
I made one by accident because I was sick of loser protagonists that were terrible at everything and whiny about (again) everything because apparently that's what pop culture thinks is relatable now.
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Esvandetta [2013-08-08 07:10:53 +0000 UTC]
hahahha This is so true!! Most people make Mary Sues to
A. be different
B. have their character be liked/pitied
C. have an experience/life that they've never had
It's based off a fantasy about 80% of the time (if not all the time).
Most Some amateurs don't understand that, due to the fact other amateurs like them are making MS's, having a normal character will make them "different", because some people will read their stuff and be able to associate. Association is one of the first steps to recognition and that's what all writers want (it's true... some just try to deny it and say "I'm doing it for fun/me")
and haha I thought I recognized you! ^__^ have I posted on this before?
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vi0letdreamer [2013-07-10 15:52:01 +0000 UTC]
I have a character in a story of mine that I based off myself, simply because I was afraid of making a mary sue. I mean, I'm not perfect in real life, so if the character was like me, it wouldn't be a mary sue. It's easier to write because I know what the character's perspective is like, and I can still make it sound like a real person.
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SomaRuiz [2013-05-04 16:48:24 +0000 UTC]
Have you read the webcomic "Ensign Sue Must Die"? I kind of like the interpretation and satire the author makes of the trope, kinda like the "How to make a mary sue" tutorial you included. XD
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movedelsewhere [2013-01-21 20:30:13 +0000 UTC]
Very good tuts!!
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Spinkx [2012-10-11 09:57:24 +0000 UTC]
Nice writing with a fun quiz from Amberwillow. Glad I took a look. Thanks!
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WonHitWonder In reply to Spinkx [2012-10-12 03:47:49 +0000 UTC]
No prob, I'm glad to hear that you liked this!
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Nuei [2012-10-01 20:57:21 +0000 UTC]
Haha! This mary sue thingy reminded me why I hate that goddamn Fuka from persona 3 and Chie from persona 4. They were such bad, awful characters, and their evolution through the game was almost none, as they were both plain mary sue dumb asses.
Yet, Yosuke and mainly Junpei from the exact same series were the most mary sued characters ever: they were horny teens who fail at seduction, just like good old Brock from pokemon.
Yet, that mary sueness turned them into passionate characters who ended up stronger and devoted to one only girl, who made them grow beautifully.
So I guess some characters CAN start off as a sue, but most MUST change during the story.
Or else, make their preset personality grow mature, like Naruto or Kamina from Tengen Toppa, so they can prove they are not fools, but simply characters that hide before a mask of something. Even if their goals are clear, nobody ever took them seriously and it's beautiful to see a relaxed character achieve things as intensly as any character else!
Change is probably the best fuel to make a character/ story unique, or at leats very appealing. I wonder how true is that... What do you think about it?
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WonHitWonder In reply to Nuei [2012-10-08 02:25:56 +0000 UTC]
Change is EXACTLY what a character needs -- good eye there! Without change to act as a catalyst, the characters have no motivation to improve themselves or fix their lives. And the type of change can really set a story apart and help it break away from the archetypes that all stories are based on.
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Kikubi [2012-09-21 17:05:43 +0000 UTC]
I just have to ask: was the character with the glowing eyes the same one you mentioned in the "I'm My #1 Fan" tutorial with the two different-colored eyes?
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Kikubi In reply to WonHitWonder [2012-09-22 23:37:57 +0000 UTC]
Woah, man. You got yourself a serious eye problem there.
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Kikubi In reply to WonHitWonder [2012-09-25 17:43:54 +0000 UTC]
Mm. Yeah, I think everyone has a few of those. Mine used to be that every story I wrote featured a romance between a spunky tomboy and a mysteriously tragic and effeminate guy as the central plot element. Oddly enough, reading manga got me over that one. Lol
Boy, am I glad we got past that one....
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WonHitWonder In reply to Kikubi [2012-10-08 02:18:44 +0000 UTC]
Mine used to be the "Sympathy Sue" trope from TV Tropes. Just a poor, sad, tragic character that no one appreciates until they know just how much he/she's been through, then they shower him/her with sympathy and praise. Just learning about the trope made me stop doing it, I was embarassed for myself o_o
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Kikubi In reply to WonHitWonder [2012-10-08 22:51:43 +0000 UTC]
Mmm..... If you knew how many of those I've edited..... For the same person.............
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DeathBright [2012-09-18 01:32:02 +0000 UTC]
The Mary Sue test, I think it does work.
[link]
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WonHitWonder In reply to DeathBright [2012-09-18 17:43:17 +0000 UTC]
I love that test, I actually have it in my favorites and I refer to it each time I have a new character concept that I want to test. It's an awesome resource!
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Jazninstar [2012-09-17 11:45:50 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for your tutorial
and now I know what to base on when i feel i want to change my characters again LOL
I can't make up my mind
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Velink [2012-09-17 10:27:46 +0000 UTC]
Help! my character is a Mary Sue, how do I change her?
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WonHitWonder In reply to Velink [2012-09-18 17:41:00 +0000 UTC]
That'll be a bit difficult, since everyone's case is a bit different. If you'd like, I'd be more than happy to work with you a bit and offer some advice on fixing her up. Feel free to note me with maybe a link to a piece of writing with her and/or a picture of her (if you've drawn her), I'd be glad to help out!
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Velink In reply to WonHitWonder [2012-09-18 22:32:03 +0000 UTC]
Cool
will do sometime later, thanks XD
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secretuniverse [2012-07-23 11:13:32 +0000 UTC]
I love the title of this guide.
And then I love the guide.
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WonHitWonder In reply to secretuniverse [2012-08-01 06:20:25 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! I came up with the title at the last minute, I'm a sucker for puns XD
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XxforbiddenartistxX [2012-07-06 13:41:00 +0000 UTC]
This was extremely helpful! My main OC, the one in the pic, got an 8 on the test.
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WonHitWonder In reply to XxforbiddenartistxX [2012-07-06 21:10:54 +0000 UTC]
That's good! I'm really happy that you found this useful and that your OC is doing well
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tikkytat [2012-07-03 22:54:08 +0000 UTC]
Very well put!
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sumgie1 [2012-07-01 07:33:38 +0000 UTC]
It was a nice read. An intriguing topic. It's focus on psychology and our "deep dark desires" probably adds greatly to why this was so interesting. The idea that we are "living through Sues who may not be perfect, but embody the traits that we respect." is probably the one that got me doing "Hmm" the most... And it got me on a quite of an interesting analysis of one of my own characters.
Personally, my primary goal with my art is to "bring to life" what interests me, thrills me, is relate-able/topical to me. That is why many of the characters I create are either literary versions of me or embodiments of some ideal. So they can be considered Mary Sues but I'm okay with it.
I feel that with my idealized characters, it is not that I want to necessarily be them but it is just that I like them. So that is one reason behind Mary Sues you may have missed - they are sometimes created as an embodiment of some of the writer's ideal, something like "I like this person, I wish he/she existed" (as opposed to "I like this person, I wish I was him/her").
Now, as I mentioned, I did think about one of my characters as I was reading it. And I would like to share some thoughts. I will talk about Wilė - my character from the apocalyptic action-filled story of platonic love I mentioned before.
I consider her a Mary Sue by definition because she was designed to embody some traits I like in spite of looking not so realistic to me. Ironically, I tested her with "The Universal Mary Sue Litmus Test" mentioned in the comments and got "Most likely Not-Sue." This probably shows how loose the term is.
Anyway, beside the primary goal, Wilė was intended be an example and an inspiration. Her philosophy is that regrets will get you nowhere, that, if one is to achieve one's goal, one has to act "in a deliberate, controlled, determined and persistent manner." She is intended to be inspirational because of her perseverance, dedication to her loved-one and how she gets energy from her hate for the rest of the world. So I thought that this may have subtracted some of her Mary-Sue-ness as you've mentioned the importance of characters serving goals. Have I understood your point correctly there?
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WonHitWonder In reply to sumgie1 [2012-07-06 21:15:12 +0000 UTC]
I believe that you have. I admire your willingness to admit the ways that your character is a Sue, but I also think that you know how to use her and why you gave her the load of positive traits that you have. It reminds me a bit of comic-book superheroes (especially the older ones); they're meant to be more idealized to be role models for the youth of America. I enjoyed reading your comment, thanks a lot for leaving it.
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pferty [2012-07-01 05:50:25 +0000 UTC]
I really liked reading this! just as i liked all of your tutorials, but now i'm worried that one of my characters is a Sue.... FUUUUUUUU, i thought i already stopped making them years ago!!
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WonHitWonder In reply to pferty [2012-07-01 05:57:12 +0000 UTC]
Man, it's hard not to make them! I have trouble with that, I'll be writing something, then I'll come back to it and facepalm because it's so dumb and Sue-tastic. Good luck with your character, just sit down with them and sort of "work together" so that you'll both be happy with the result!
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WonHitWonder In reply to TheEmberRaven [2012-07-01 03:12:10 +0000 UTC]
Maybe, though I'd have to read it all the way through (I sometimes quit halfway through, even if it's a required book for me to read). Though, I've written entire papers on books I didn't read! I bet it'd be fun to review books, I could see myself doing that for a living if my other goals fall out.
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