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Published: 2017-06-08 19:40:00 +0000 UTC; Views: 5319; Favourites: 119; Downloads: 31
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Description This was originally intended (and partly still is) as a quick reference for an upcoming piece with "Sue" that I am planning, but while drawing it (for the third time), I decided to use it to showcase my current opinions on the integument of Tyrannosaurus. So first off, I have taken into account the skin impressions described by Bell et al. that have been causing such a buzz lately. Short version, they're not new, and they represent only a very small portion of the animal's body (in most cases a few centimetres), however I am still happy to see them finally published (though it is a bit tainted by having to deal with people finding a bunch of poorly researched news articles saying that these skin impressions prove Tyrannosaurus was fully scaly). The feathering in this reconstruction is organized around the few skin impressions known which show scales, though note that since feathers can and do grow between scales in multiple animals (Anchiornis, owls, ptarmigan, etc.), the feathering could indeed have been more extensive than what I have chosen to do here.

The facial integument was partly influenced by Carr et al. 2017 and their conclusion that tyrannosaurids possessed some sort of unique facial integument (though I, like many others, am not convinced of the presence of crocodilian like integument), as well as thickened keratin on the nasals, lacriminals, postorbitals, and ventral dentary. The extent of said keratin and thickened skin on the face was largely influenced by Mark Witton's new post on armoured theropod faces and how they could alter the shape of the head in the living animal from the skull. I also added raised ridges on the side of the face as associated with the strange maxillary features noticed on some Tyrannosaurus skulls by WitmerLab. The throat is influenced by the throat pouch that was described in a specimen of T. bataar, before the skin impressions were frustratingly destroyed by fossil poachers.

Lastly, as I said before, this is meant to represent the specimen FMNH PR 2081, or "Sue", the largest and most complete T. rex specimen yet found, as well as one of the oldest (after "Tristan" and "Scotty"). As such, I attempted to also depict some of the many ailments and pathologies we know this animal had, such as an infection in the left fibula and gout. The liquid dripping from her mouth is the thick, cheesy fluid that forms in the throat of birds infected with Trichomonas gallinae, which Sue, like many tyrannosaur specimens, appears to have suffered from due to lesions in her jaw. This often makes it very difficult for the afflicted animal to breathe, hence her mouth being partly open in an attempt to let in more air. Lastly, there are also scars on the face from face-biting behaviour which was prevalent in tyrannosaurs.

Hope you all like this! Also, the pre-release version of Saurian was up today for those who backed $60 or more to their Kickstarter, and I can only say that while I myself was unable to pledge this much and so don't have the pre-release myself, I have seen it and it looks incredible so far. The level of detail and the extent to which the developers strive for accuracy never ceases to amaze me, and I am very excited to see the final game released!

This is based on Scott Hartman's skeletal of the same specimen, of course.

References:
Phil R. Bell ; Nicolás E. Campione ; W. Scott Persons ; Philip J. Currie ; Peter L. Larson ; Darren H. Tanke; Robert T. Bakker (2017). "Tyrannosauroid integument reveals conflicting patterns of gigantism and feather evolution". Biology Letters.
Thomas D. Carr; David J. Varricchio; Jayc C. Sedlmayr; Eric M. Roberts; Jason R. Moore (2017). "A new tyrannosaur with evidence for anagenesis and crocodile-like facial sensory system". Scientific Reports.
Witton, Mark. "Armoured Theropod Faces, Rhino Horns and Pterosaur Skin Crests: How Artists Can Predict Elaborate Skin Structures in Fossil Animals." Mark Witton.com Blog. N.p., 31 May 2017. Web. 08 June 2017.
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Yutyrannus In reply to ??? [2017-12-24 07:50:00 +0000 UTC]

Possible, yes, though I wouldn't now say it is the most plausible. This represents the maximum possible extent for feathering in Tyrannosaurus based on the position of the known skin impressions.

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TyrannosaurusLives00 In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-12-24 09:26:33 +0000 UTC]

Alrighty, thanks.

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Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 00:35:08 +0000 UTC]

I know some who might not believe this.

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 01:30:09 +0000 UTC]

If you mean the feathering, that's hardly surprising. Everyone has their own ideas when it regards to tyrannosaur feathering and that's completely fine, because the evidence we have is inconclusive.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-15 01:42:31 +0000 UTC]

Okay. What's your take on other large theropods having feathers like Carnosaurs and Megalosaurs?

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 01:47:30 +0000 UTC]

Personally I see no reason not to show them with feathers, but I've illustrated both and given having basically zero evidence other than phylogenetic bracketing I try to refrain from having much of an opinion on that. I also think it would probably vary depending on environment, size, ecology, etc.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-15 02:47:23 +0000 UTC]

Finally! Someone who agrees with me. What about feathers on Sauropodomorphs?

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 02:49:14 +0000 UTC]

Depends again on various factors, I'd say it's extremely likely you'd find at least somewhat extensive feathering in basal sauropodomorphs.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-15 02:57:31 +0000 UTC]

And Herrasaurids too.

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 03:00:01 +0000 UTC]

Honestly I lump them into Sauropodomorpha

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-15 12:34:51 +0000 UTC]

Okay. Have heard of wing beating?

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 17:53:59 +0000 UTC]

Yes

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-15 18:41:52 +0000 UTC]

What's your opinion about Nanotyrannus? I still think it could possibly be it's own genus.

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 18:48:32 +0000 UTC]

It's extremely unlikely that it represents a valid genus, and even if by some very slim chance it does, all that means is we have two taxa of giant tyrannosaurids in Hell Creek, one represented only by adolescent specimens, and the other by basically all stages of ontogeny except that one, which is almost ridiculously coincidental. Every bit of evidence we have strongly suggests that it is an adolescent Tyrannosaurus.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-15 19:01:11 +0000 UTC]

I know the role it could have played, though given to raptors, The Cheetah Of Hell Creek. The Biggest fast runner. I know because of this. huffingtonpost.com/entry/nanotyrannus-speed-study_us_56a79ccae4b0b87beec60425
The hope that it's own genus lays with the Bloody Mary Specimen.

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 19:04:53 +0000 UTC]

It did fill that niche, but only as an ontogomorph of Tyrannosaurus. Their ecology changes throughout ontogeny, which is something we see in all tyrannosaurs.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-15 19:10:42 +0000 UTC]

What about the Bloody Mary Specimen?

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SauropodQueen In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 20:09:35 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, because a juvenile specimen that just happens to be differently proportioned from an adult must mean it's a distinct species.

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 19:13:16 +0000 UTC]

The Bloody Mary specimen is in private hands and cannot be studied, until it can, and has been published, it should not even be considered.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-15 19:19:27 +0000 UTC]

The one difference I heard about it. It's arms are 3 feet long. Bigger than Sue's.

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 19:22:28 +0000 UTC]

First off like I said, the specimen cannot be studied, so that cannot be reliably verified, and second that really isn't any indication of it being a separate genus even if true. Tyrannosaurus' arms, while not vestigial, are a part of their anatomy which was not being used much in life, and thus under less selective pressure than say the skull, which would logically lead to greater variation.

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Corallianassa In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-08-11 15:17:24 +0000 UTC]

While I do wholly agree that we should be cautious about using ''Bloody Mary'' to make conclusions, it isn't useless.
Because if Tigon's claim that the arms are 3 feet long (I'm not sure if that's true but I have seen a skeletal forelimb reconstruction of ''Mary'' to see that it did indeed have significantly bigger forelimbs. Probably a few factors larger than similarly sized Tyrannosauri such as ''Jane''.

I wouldn't split the two because of this one trait,  but it does make me cautious about lumping Nanotyrannus into Tyrannosaurus. Who knows what other, more subtle, anatomical differences will (or will not) turn up if it ever gets described. 

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-15 19:35:10 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I have few paleoart ideas. Want to hear them?

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 19:38:03 +0000 UTC]

Sure

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-15 19:52:10 +0000 UTC]

For one, I think Dilophosaurus's crests could have been as big in Jurassic Park. How? Keratin Sheathes. Like a Rhino's horns. What do you think? Of course they would be in the shape we now know.

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 20:28:07 +0000 UTC]

Seems reasonable. We know plenty of dinosaurs had bony crests which supported larger soft tissue structures in life.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-15 20:59:57 +0000 UTC]

You think you would draw something like that?

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 21:29:40 +0000 UTC]

I could, though I have a lot of stuff I need to get through first.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-15 21:48:56 +0000 UTC]

It's okay. I can wait. I guess you rarely color your stuff.

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 22:40:10 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, quite rarely.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-15 23:15:04 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. What do you think of feathers on early dinosaurs like Dilophosaurus?

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 23:31:46 +0000 UTC]

I'd say feathers until we have evidence to the contrary. Dilophosaurus is very basal.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-15 23:36:13 +0000 UTC]

Some people believe it's true. Some even think it actually had a frill, but made with feathers. What do you think about that?

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 23:49:48 +0000 UTC]

Not impossible, but I doubt that. Dilophosaurus' feathers, if indeed it had them, would've been very primitive indeed, probably only stage I or II. They'd look almost more like fur than feathers to a layman.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-16 00:09:15 +0000 UTC]

Okay. Have you heard about this? Ostrich Lizard by greer-stothers
tyranno-teen.blogspot.ca/2013/…
I know about scale fossil impressions. But the feathers could be in spots we don't know yet.

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-16 01:10:57 +0000 UTC]

Uh...yeah, no. We know more than enough about ankylosaur integument to say that there's no way they could have been feathered like that.

Also this is getting *really* off the topic of this deviation.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-16 01:23:08 +0000 UTC]

All I have to say, you never know. And it's not just Anyklosaurs, Stegosaurs and both group's ancestors.

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-16 01:38:17 +0000 UTC]

Feathers were very clearly and unquestionably lost in multiple lineages, and thyreophorans are definitely one of them.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-16 02:23:03 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. What's your opinion on Carnosaurs and Megalosaurs having feathers?

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-16 02:30:32 +0000 UTC]

I believe I already answered that.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-16 02:50:36 +0000 UTC]

Sorry. I forgot. If you were to make a dinosaur hybrid, what dinosaurs would you use?

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-16 03:04:10 +0000 UTC]

I wouldn't

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-16 03:08:44 +0000 UTC]

Why? Just wondering.

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-16 03:27:44 +0000 UTC]

Why would I?

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-16 03:40:07 +0000 UTC]

Why not? Other paleoartists I watch have. Like this. Day 9 - Hybrid by Dontknowwhattodraw94

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-16 03:47:01 +0000 UTC]

It really does not interest me. I'd rather see some proper spec evo.

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Tigon1Monster In reply to Yutyrannus [2017-07-16 03:50:50 +0000 UTC]

Okay. t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http%3A…

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SauropodQueen In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 20:10:45 +0000 UTC]

That's actually very plausible. In fact, who says they have to even be the same shape as the bony part?

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Tigon1Monster In reply to SauropodQueen [2017-07-15 20:18:08 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. I'm still waiting for he has to say.

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Yutyrannus In reply to Tigon1Monster [2017-07-15 21:30:24 +0000 UTC]

Yep, like said it doesn't necessarily even need to be the shape of the bone. Soft tissue does weird shit, yo.

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