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YOSTUBA141 In reply to YOSTUBA141 [2012-09-18 01:48:29 +0000 UTC]

not you hobbes

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Ask-Shy-Sasuke In reply to BowlCutSamurai [2012-09-18 02:32:31 +0000 UTC]

Please leave this piece of artwork alone.

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BloodrainFireDawn In reply to BowlCutSamurai [2012-09-18 02:19:51 +0000 UTC]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you do not have the right to try to impose it on others. If you don't like this photo, then have the maturity to leave without commenting instead of insulting the model and the photographer with words meant to offend. Neither the gender nor the sexual orientation of the model matters because there is beauty in each and every one of us, even you.

Btw, "gay" is not a derogatory term, even though you apparently meant it to be.

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BowlCutSamurai In reply to BloodrainFireDawn [2012-09-18 05:22:28 +0000 UTC]

I have my opinion and i'm sharing with whom I please, Just as you are sharing your opinion that I am wrong.
If you say you're for opinions, You cannot go halfway and only support yours.

Also gay is very derogatory in the fact that I made several people mad by using the word.

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BloodrainFireDawn In reply to BowlCutSamurai [2012-09-18 06:23:22 +0000 UTC]

I am not only supporting my opinion. Nowhere in my comment did I say you were wrong, even if I don't agree with you. As I said, you are entitled to your own opinion and I'm not trying to say that you aren't. But expressing those opinions in a way that insults and/or hurts others simply because they do not fit your standards is not acceptable. To do so makes you no different than a bully, assaulting your victims verbally rather than physically. That is something of which you should be ashamed, not proud.

"Gay" is not derogatory in and of itself. When you attach an adjective such as "disgusting" to it, implying that someone who is gay is disgusting, then you have taken a societal label and used it to insult someone for something over which he/she has no control. Using the term "gay" is not what made people mad; it was the fact that you preceded it with "disgustingly" that angered people. And I stand by my original statement. For a term to be derogatory, it must make a person feel degraded or humiliated, and being gay is not degrading or humiliating.

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BowlCutSamurai In reply to BloodrainFireDawn [2012-09-19 05:46:23 +0000 UTC]

Gay is derogatory.
Call a a grown man gay to his face.
Stand up in class and call someone gay.
reply to me when you find out that gay IS in fact a derogatory term.

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BloodrainFireDawn In reply to BowlCutSamurai [2012-09-19 06:43:46 +0000 UTC]

The difference is whether you use the term with respect for the other person or as an insult. If you walk up to someone and call him/her gay with a disgusted expression, then it is only natural that person be offended because you are making a judgment that in reality has little or nothing to do with his/her sexuality. I know men whom I could call gay to their faces, and it would be a compliment because they are proud of who they are. And I would mean it as a compliment because I respect them. Likewise, I would not call a straight man gay, to his face or behind his back, unless in jest that I already knew he would be comfortable with, because it is an issue of respect.

I certainly don't mean this to offend any more than you meant your original comment to offend, but I find it interesting that you so adamantly argue this issue. I am straight and perfectly comfortable with my own sexuality, and I proudly support equal rights for all people regardless of sexual orientation, gender, race, religion, etc. I have heard it said that the people who protest homosexuality the most are insecure with their own sexuality. If that is the case, you have nothing to be ashamed of. It is perfectly natural to question. If you would like someone to talk to about it, there are trained counselors 24/7 at the Trevor Project Lifeline: 866-488-7386.

You may harbor hatred, disgust, prejudice, bigotry, or any number of other emotions toward people you would label "gay" and perhaps toward me as well for calling you on the offensiveness of your original comment. I can't do anything about that if you do except offer you the kind of treatment you would never offer to someone like the model in the photo or me... Replacing the hatred in the world with love and kindness would solve so many problems. So even though I doubt anything I've said will make any difference to you, I wish all the best and much love to you.

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BowlCutSamurai In reply to BloodrainFireDawn [2012-10-09 03:23:44 +0000 UTC]

Woah, i was just trolling you, get over it, no need to go into paragraphical Super Saiyan.

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BloodrainFireDawn In reply to BowlCutSamurai [2012-10-09 08:34:38 +0000 UTC]

If that is the best way you can think of to spend your time, then more power to you. I hope that tearing other people down makes you happy. Perhaps someday you will get a taste of what it is like to be "trolled" by your meaning of the word and by that I mean ridiculed, humiliated, offended, and torn down. It certainly wouldn't hurt for you to know first-hand how that feels.

In the meantime, give your own sexuality some serious thought. Perhaps the reason you choose to troll artwork like this lovely photograph is because you are actually attracted to it, and that scares, upsets, or angers you. Give the Trevor Project a call. They can help you explore those feelings and feel better about yourself.

So, in the spirit of replacing hate with love and making the world a better place for everyone, much love to you.

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CiaranDwynvil In reply to BloodrainFireDawn [2012-09-20 10:03:11 +0000 UTC]

I agree with every word you said, Jade

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Nazo-The-Unsolvable In reply to BloodrainFireDawn [2012-09-19 08:43:07 +0000 UTC]

lol

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Mystique-M In reply to BloodrainFireDawn [2012-09-18 03:27:52 +0000 UTC]

Thank you

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BowlCutSamurai In reply to Mystique-M [2012-09-18 05:22:48 +0000 UTC]

lol self righteous fuck

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Nazo-The-Unsolvable In reply to BowlCutSamurai [2012-09-18 01:14:11 +0000 UTC]

Leave the site.

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Fihyn In reply to Nazo-The-Unsolvable [2012-09-18 18:29:44 +0000 UTC]

Why don't we all just do as you say, hmm?

Clearly that person gave a tasteless comment, but I find yours even more obnoxious.

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Nazo-The-Unsolvable In reply to Fihyn [2012-09-18 18:52:44 +0000 UTC]

Really? A tasteless comment? No, it was an insult to the gay community in general. If you find me telling him to leave the site more obnoxious, then you're stupid. That being said, go blow yourself.

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Fihyn In reply to Nazo-The-Unsolvable [2012-09-18 18:55:02 +0000 UTC]

Debunking my opinion with yours, that's the spirit.

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Nazo-The-Unsolvable In reply to Fihyn [2012-09-18 19:09:26 +0000 UTC]

And there's something wrong with that? Being a man of science I find it to be the only viable way to deduce opinions until we get to the facts. If you'd like to continue your unnecessary argument, feel free to elaborate just how my statement was more obnoxious. Until then, your comment is self-bias and has no basis for being labeled an opinion.

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Fihyn In reply to Nazo-The-Unsolvable [2012-09-18 19:23:26 +0000 UTC]

I wasn't arguing with you, clearly. I made a statement, then made a sarcastic remark. If I were to make a point, I'd say that this concept of "tolerance" that seems to be what you want everyone else to express, only goes one way, bud. If people disagree with people in the gay community, they are to be tolerant and respectful, but people in the gay community don't have to be tolerant or respectful of them.
There is a family in my hometown whose son was beaten within an inch of his life by a gay protest group. I don't believe gays should be bullied, disrespected, or denied public rights, but I reserve the right to disagree with them.
That being the case, I would say the other person's comment, though quite rude, was a blundering attempt to express the fact that they disagreed with the view presented in the photo. Obviously, it would have been better to have kept it to themselves, but they were in fact expressing an opinion, not intolerance (intolerance on their part, for example, would have been demanding the picture be removed for offending them). You, however, were expressing intolerance, by ordering them to leave deviantart because you believed what they said to be offensive.
Now I do hope you understand the difference between being offensive and being intolerant.

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Nazo-The-Unsolvable In reply to Fihyn [2012-09-18 20:11:39 +0000 UTC]

"but I reserve the right to disagree with them."

And just what is it that you "disagree" with?

" disagreed with the view presented in the photo"

Whoopty doo. If you don't like something, point out something that is wrong artistically in the photo itself. This is an art site, not 4chan. And I don't care if they were trying to express anything, the comment he made was disrespectful and disgraceful.

"not intolerance"

"This is disgustingly gay."

Really? That's not intolerance? Am I being trolled? If so, you're doing a good job, otherwise you're lack of education isn't helping you right now. That wasn't an opinion. It's self bias. To be an opinion one has to express WHY. There was no why he thought it was. Just an insulting, degrading, and moronic comment.

"You, however, were expressing intolerance, by ordering them to leave deviantart because you believed what they said to be offensive."

No. You took my words at face value. Not surprising to me since you have this twisted concept of what constitutes homophobic bias. I was saying if he can't handle this type of photography, then he should leave because it's a very common photography. Not to mention if there's artistic nude in the DDs and they are females, and he likes those, which I bet he does, then that would also being hypocritical to the nude sections in general.

"Now I do hope you understand the difference between being offensive and being intolerant."

I think you should take a step back and re-evaluate your intellect with language and definitions.

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BowlCutSamurai In reply to Nazo-The-Unsolvable [2012-09-18 05:19:44 +0000 UTC]

nope.

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Nazo-The-Unsolvable In reply to BowlCutSamurai [2012-09-18 05:49:43 +0000 UTC]

Clearly you don't belong here. Or even in this era of time. If you can't tolerate something, then off yourself. The world would be better off without your filth taking up space.

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BowlCutSamurai In reply to Nazo-The-Unsolvable [2012-09-19 05:55:18 +0000 UTC]

/shutdown

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BowlCutSamurai In reply to Nazo-The-Unsolvable [2012-09-19 05:54:40 +0000 UTC]

Lol obviously someone with no art besides some really shitty props, nudes, and displays of no skill with 2d rendering programs obviously is the judge of what the world is better with.
In fact my bigotry is through the roof better for this world than your over presumptuous super size me'd ego.

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Nazo-The-Unsolvable In reply to BowlCutSamurai [2012-09-19 08:41:22 +0000 UTC]

Haha. If you're actually trying to insult me by degrading my 'art' you have another thing coming. Art isn't my forte, I do it merely out of fun and hobby. I don't seek a career in it, so I really don't care, I only use this site to upload pics because photobucket has a limit on the size of an image you can upload unless you pay for a premium account.

The amusing part of your comment, however, is your assumption that I hold up some sort of 'ego'. Please, if I had an 'ego' to uphold, I would start blasting away with needless remarks of how your 'art' is no better. It is, however, unoriginal-so it mine... which is my point. Moving on~

Though, I do like the fact that you realize you're a bigot. Admittance is the first step to recovery.

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