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Watching: 82; Pageviews: 50766; Comments Made: 1575; Friends: 82
# Interests
Favorite movies: Wreck It RalphFavorite TV shows: Avatar The Last Airbender
Favorite bands / musical artists: Owl City (I guess...)
Favorite books: Ender's Game
Favorite games: The Legend of Zelda
# Comments
Comments: 58
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I love your video and I love Bojack Horseman, too.
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Small world.
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Yep. Also my name is Amanda Smith.
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Hello RandomPerson1310, So I've been watching your videos on why Starlight Glimmer sucks and I gotta say, I agree with them.
I think You should see this Alternate Ending to Season 5 made by MelSpyRose, I think Mel wrote Starlight's character arc as a villain in a much Better way.
MLP:FiM Season 5 Alternate EndingYeah...what if, uh, what if MLP: Friendship is Magic - Season 5 had a much better ending?
I've come up with my version of the Season 5 finale, where instead of Starlight Glimmer using one of Starswirl's spells to travel back in time to stop the Sonic Rainboom, she breaks into the Castle of Friendship where she holds Twilight's friends hostage before she threatens Twilight Sparkle that if she doesn't give her her Cutie Mark, then she will destroy her friends.
(In fact, I always thought that Starlight's goal was not to rid the world of Cutie Marks, but rather try to claim Twilight Sparkle's Cutie Mark for herself so that she can become an Alicorn.)
Twilight surrenders her Cutie Mark to save her friends and Starlight Glimmer uses her magic to make her original Cutie Mark disappear before replacing it with Twilight's Cutie Mark after ripping it off her flank of course. This resulted in some dark magical transformation that turned Starlight Glimmer into a demonic Alicorn entity.
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I think it has a better concept, but is still lacking in execution. The events here feel too similar to what other villains have done in the past, namely Tirek and Sunset. Personally, I would've stuck with the time traveling gimmick, but I would've changed a few things.
1. Starlight can still alter the time spell, but show that it is incredibly difficult for her to even perform the basic one. There might be an entire episode just montaging her trying to figure it out. It was established in the first episode of season 5 that Starlight was not on the same level of magic as Twilight. Keep that consistent.
2. Show that Starlight has tricks up her sleeves when it comes to magic, not raw power, and show Twilight adapting to those tricks. Twilight should be the most powerful unicorn in all of Equestria, full stop. At alicorn level, no one short of Starswirl should be able to come close to her power. Starlight would need to keep Twilight on her toes with various different types of magic. She should not be fighting the princess of friendship on an even playing field.
3. Different backstory. Have something bad happen to Starlight due to cutie marks, but don't make it something as simple as losing a friend. That's just stupid. Even a life filled with bullying like in the example you presented, would work.
4. Do not completely reform Starlight, but still start her down a path of redemption. When Starlight sees the damage she causes to the future, she should realize that going to such an extreme solution is not the way to go, but she's still not convinced that cutie marks are a good thing. She lets go of her grudge against Twilight, but instead seeks a less extreme solution to make her point. This way, she can eventually become a force of good and we get to see her journey to it.
5. And finally, do not let anyone forgive Starlight (save maybe a few like Twilight or Celestia). She did wrong on a massive scale. She should feel the social consequences of her wrong doing. There doesn't necessarily need to be official consequences, like time in Tartarus, though that would help.
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Those are nice ideas to change Starlight's ideas, but I had another idea that they continue with the time travel plot, but just leave starlight there and do nothing.
Rather than touch the scroll, Spike would immediately burn it to ash. Twilight would ask why he would burn down their only way of following Starlight, which would lead into a long discussion on time travel consequences. When Spike drags Twilight outside, she sees everything fine as they are, dismissing her actions on the bases that the changes should've been affected the moment she went through the portal.
This would then lead to an argument between linear time and multiverse theory. Instead of time travel, Starlight is creating alternate timelines. And without the scroll to act as an anchor to their timeline, she would be aimlessly jumping between alternate timelines and parallel universes for the rest of her miserable life.
In her selfish quest for revenge, Starlight Glimmer would prove multiverse theory, and have nothing to show for it. What do you think of that?
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It could work, but it could also easily backfire. There are a lot of problems you'd need to work though, mainly the fact that you're denying the audience an expected climactic battle and working in a friendship lesson.
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Happened upon your profile solely because I saw your shirt in your profile pic.Β
Nightwing!
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I like your analysis of Tuca and Bertie. I felt like Dirk and Pete were kind of shallow antagonists. Though I have to disagree with the idea that Pete's actions are "harassment" or at the very least are in the same subjective ballpark. He works in a professional kitchen setting. Steam and boiling liquids are objectively dangerous and anyone working in those setting should know to be careful around them. If an inspector had caught him doing that it would have been grounds to have the operation shut down or even have him charged with assault.
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Have you seen this video 'BronyCAN 2017 M A Larson panel part 1 ' regarding the Fame and Misfortune episode?
You really should watch it.
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You should check out his journal on 'Fame and Misfortune' .
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What are your thoughts on these journals from ShannonthePanda?
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Why Starlight Glimmer Shouldn't Join the Main CastHonestly? Even if I do continue my MLP reviews, it's unlikely I'll make it to the end, at least before Season 6 starts. So until that happens, let me air my complaints about the recent change to the status quo. Apparently, Twilight is going to take on a student, which would be an interesting dynamic... and her student is Starlight Glimmer.
The pony who deserves it the least.
You know, I don't usually get angry about changes to the show. I find it refreshing, actually.
I liked when Twilight became an alicorn. I applauded when the Crusaders finally got their cutie marks. I didn't mind that Twilight's library was gone. I thought it was interesting when Discord was reformed. I shrugged off all the other reformations, actually, even if some of them were too quick. I get it, in a show about friendship, there's gonna be a lot of Winter Warlocks-- bad people turning good through an act of mercy or kindness. It can be done well.
But with Starlight... here, let me remind you all of what she did.2.
Why Starlight's Reformation Doesn't WorkSo, this is the sequel to my last Note, where I pointed out that Starlight didn't deserve the insta-forgiveness and main character status that she got. This is a follow-up, since we're halfway through Season 6 and we've seen reformed-Starlight in a handful of episodes.
And I'm usually open-minded with changes, but... I'm sorry, this still doesn't work for me.
Oh, the writers have done their best to make us forgive and like Starlight. They have Spike consistently point out how psychotic Starlight's actions were. They paired her with Trixie the Fan-Favorite in No Second Prances. They had her reenact a well-beloved Christmas story in A Hearthswarming Tail. And yet I don't care. I'm not sure if I still hate her, but I don't care about her.
Why? Well... let's look at another reformed villain who is much like Starlight.
Let's look at Sunset Shimmer.
To be fair, she was a weak villain in the first Equestria Girls. She was a schoolyard bully who wanted power because Celest
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The Starlight Glimmer Effect in no uncertain termsIf you wanna know why I as well as many of Starlight's detractors take issue with her redemption it is very simple:
Starlight's redemption along with the redemption of every villain since her teaches the absolute worst lesson in the franchise: That you are OBLIGATED to keep giving second chances to people even if those people abuse you and/or your friendship. And it's TOTES OK to hurt anyone and everyone if you're angry or upset, because you just need a hug... in other words this is actively glorifying terrorists!
The funny thing is I've heard tell of parents forbidding their children from WATCHING FiM because of how AGRRESIVELY this toxic mindset and moral is pushed; andΒ it really is pushed harder than anything the show has ever done. Yeah, Discord KINDA did this, but the effect was more implicitly felt more than directly shown; also Discord was always clearly in the wrong when this happened and he got karma.
Really I should be fortunate Parental Glideance exists because, while i
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No spoilers please.
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Are you gonna watch 'The Parent Map' episode?
If so, you should make another Starlight video as of that episode.
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I watch all MLP episodes in order to keep up with other brony content, but I am always several months behind everyone else. MLP content is scarce on my channel because a subject has to come up that I feel confident about and that adds to the conversation. I didn't make a video about "Amending Fences" nor "Fame and Misfortune" because I didn't feel like I added to the conversation. My overall thoughts on any episode can be found in my Season Rundown videos.
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What are your thoughts on there journals?
Starlight Glimmer: A RecordSo this is everything Β can remember about what Starlight has done and where she's appeared throughout the series, not including the comics or chapter books, since those at this point are of questionable canonicity;
The Cutie Map
Starlight is introduced; sheβs incredibly manipulative and deeply devoted to her ideology to the point where she rages when foiled; she gets away swearing revenge
Amending Fences
Starlight is seen hiding behind a menu as Twilight and her old magic schoolmates talk with Moondancer, who herself is antagonistic towards Twilight for standing her up and leaving her behind
What About Discord?
Starlight is seen hiding in the bushes observing the Mane-6 and Discord through a pair of binoculars, right around this time Pinkie Pie suggested Twilight might have a time travel adventure in mind
The Cutie Re-Mark
Starlight returns and supposedly goes back in time to stop Rainbow Dash from getting her cutie-mark thus preventing the Mane-6 from ever getting together.
The REAL Problem with Starlight GlimmerSo as I prepare for my third BronyCon experience, something occurred to me today that overwhelmed me with such clarity like you would not believe.Β
So currently there's kind of a war going on within the Brony Fandom between people who Love Starlight Glimmer and People who Hate her. And I gotta' be honest; its gotten pretty ugly since the debacle now known as the KP-Controversy ended.Β
So while I tend to favor the anti-Starlight side, I often take a step back to try an analyze the overall problem, so as not to get dragged down into an ugly argument. [Hard as it is to believe; I try to avoid those as much as possible] Anyway, I realized that the inconsequential mess of an episode known as 'Celestial Advice' could have actually been great, had they just made one small but highly crucial change;Β
Make Starlight go to Celestia for advice instead of Twilight, her figuring out Twi likely wants to send her away and her realizing she's not ready for such an assignment but not wan
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Not much to say about the first one, as it seems to be just a recap with some Personal notes. The second one had some interesting points, particularly about Every Little Thing She Does. While I do love that episode, I agree that it would've been much more likeable had Starlight found a way to injure only herself. However, I find faults with the conclusion. I have my own thoughts about the difference between a bad character and a character that is mistreated by plot, but NuvaPrime didn't really make that clear. I would say I might agree with them depending on what they mean.
Starlight, to me, is a character that had amazing potential which was realized in the season 5 premiere, but in trying to rush her as someone to be sympathized with, the story throws most of that potential out.
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Do you feel that the Time travel/Alternate Time lines Plot for the S5 Finale is needless BS as it sidelines all the interesting aspects of Starlight's character?
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I would not call it needless, I would call it forced. Starlight was a great evil character, but in trying to force sympathy onto her, they tried to turn her into a misunderstood one. As other critics pointed out, it would've been better had she not agreed with Twilight but realized that what she was doing was not making things better. Someone who is ideologically driven has a really hard time seeing other perspectives. Season 6 should've been about Starlight learning about friendship from a skeptical perspective where she does not want to see the benefits of cutie marks and friendships but still goes through the journey of doing so to better understand her enemy's perspective.
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You should read this journal, especially at the end.
nuvaprime.deviantart.com/journβ¦
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What are your thoughts on joshscorcher on 'Fame and Misfortune' ?
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Josh repeated many of TheMysteriousMrEnter's points. I hate the episode Fame and Misfortune more than any other episode for the reasons these two pointed out. I don't mind creators making fun of critics, but when they start taking shots at HOW people should critique, for some reason, they fall into this pitfall of saying "you're critiquing us for the wrong reasons" and come across as very insulting. Teen Titans Go has made me very intolerant to messages like these.
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What do you think of Nuva's journal regarding the MLP Movie being canonized to the main series?
MLP The Movie: Canon MisfiresWhile I've made my stance on the MLP movie clear, there's one aspect I've largely ignored, and that's the canonicity with the rest of the series. Mostly I've directed my scrutiny at the value of the story, characters, and even animation because generally its more important that a product hold up on it's own than it is to blend in perfectly with corresponding material [how ever annoying it is when it doesn't...]
Of course, I think we all know that the movie doesn't quite do the best when it comes to staying consistent with the series it claims to attach itself so heavily to.Β
The biggest reason for this is speculated to be because the movie went into production at the end of season 4 and everyone working on it just didn't really pay attention to the series during production [I myself don't fully buy that]Β
But whatever the reason, I would simply ignore the canon misfires, judge the movie on it's own merits, and considerate non-canon and be done with it. The problem though is t
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I avoid any reviews of the MLP movie since I haven't seen it yet. I'm generally six months behind everyone else in terms of watching things.
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What do you think of Heather and Thespio's review on 'The Cutie Re-Mark'?
Part 1
Part 2
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While I love seeing the immense hatred of this episode, a good chunk of Thespio's complaints I disagree with.
They actually talk about something in the second half that my next video is going to be about, Starlight's lack of discipline and why that's a bad thing.
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You had to wonder, why were they building up Starlight for the longest time starting with the 2014 animatic (long before her character was revealed), preludes to S5 especially the Rarity preview, S5 promos, then leaving us in the dark on the implications of Starlight's thought-provoking character at the end of the premiere, only for the S5 finale to undermine what has been built up to that point?
Remember when Starlight was being compared to Amon, even before her character was revealed.
What are your thoughts on Starlight attempting to kill those three ponies before Twi saved them in part 2 or the S5 Premiere, was she straight up going to kill them?
People started to take MLP so seriously since Twilight's Kingdom and The Cutie Map.
P.S.: Are you gonna do a review on the MLP Movie?
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In the heat of the moment, I might get excited at a potential death scene, but in hindsight, I don't pay it much attention. There are plenty of moments in the show where characters try (and even sometimes succeed) to kill off their enemies. Once upon a time, Sunset Shimmer tried to kill off Twilight.
I can't definitively say whether or not I will or won't review something when it comes to MLP. I'm not passionate about the show as a whole, there are only certain aspects about it that I feel I can voice an effective opinion on which is why reviews of it are scarce on my channel. I've yet to see the MLP movie, but it doesn't look like something I'd give an official review on. I'd most likely make a Rundown video of it just to get my thoughts out.
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Also I have a question, whatever happened to 'Cute Mark Magic' during S5?
It implied that it would play a vital role in defeating Starlight Glimmer and her ideology, but for some reason, 'Cutie Mark Magic' was silently dropped, and thus never made it onscreen just like 'Rainbow Power', and was replaced with a less-innovative alternative timeline-based plot that sidelines the interesting aspects of Starlight's character.
And her ability to strip an individual of their Marks and replace them with equal signs effectively lobotomising them was never elaborated and is never brought up again. That's what made her very [very] interesting to begin with, especially when it was first shown in the 2014 animatic, long before her character was revealed.
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One of my favorite moments in the S5 premiere is when Twilight blocks Starlight's blast to which Starlight replies "I studied that spell for years!" It signified that while Starlight was a really powerful unicorn with unique spells, in a one on one fight, she was no match for Twilight even with her most advanced spells. It was very upsetting to see that in the finale, they switched out "unique and creative" with "alicorn levels of power." It was no longer about making an interesting villain, it was about making a Sunset Shimmer clone which means she needed to be Twilight... but evil.Β Β Ignoring cutie mark magic was another effect of that.
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The S5 Finale's writing may have something to do with the fact that Haber wrote the said episode instead of McCarthy, Larson, and Sonneborn in the premiere.
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I'd like to share with you a discussion I had with NuvaPrime in his comment section regarding their handling of Starlight's character.
Q=Question (mine)
R=Response (Nuva's)
Q: (Referring to the S5 Finale.) The question remains, why did the writers had to disregard the natural order of things and have the characters that Starlight victimized forgave her right away?
R: Well, I guess Josh Haber simply didn't think about it. At any point in the series onward there could have been an episode centered around her trying to make it up to them [would have made for a better episode than any of her actual center episodes] but because Haber had them forgive her in three seconds with no dialogue, suddenly that opportunity goes straight out the window, and suddenly the townsponies have nothing to do for the rest of the series.
Q: Weren't others involved in the S5 finale and Starlight's character to blame as well (including Jim), not just Haber alone? Do you put that into consideration as well?
Was McCarthy in anyway involved in the S5 finale and Starlight's character as well (check the credits of the S5 finale)?
Another thing to consider is that Starlight's characteristics and abilities, the townsponies especially the four, and the implications surrounding Starlight, was never brought up again or utilized for the entirety of S5 (her vague background appearances added next to nothing about her thought-provoking character).
R: There's only so much speculation I can offer as to what went on behind the scenes; maybe Haber was solely to blame, maybe Miller and McCarthy share the blame, or maybe Hasbro are the true evils here, and the writers are just victims of terrible corporate decisions; I honestly don't know enough to say.
All I can speculate is that someone must have realized the potential of bringing the only good aspect of the EqG films into the show and so applied a snapshot reformation to the show's newest unicorn antagonist, but not understanding what made Sunset work as a protagonist. It really doesn't seem like they had ANY initial plans to reform her and just did it at the last minute, which I think shows given how there are so many missed opportunities left over from the aftermath of The Cutie Map; the aftermath of the town, how Starlight's rule affected it, fleshing out the four particular townsponies;
I don't think they had any real plans to ever go back there; I think Our Town [which to this day STILL does not have a canon name] was just meant to be this one place the Mane-6 liberated from manipulative socialist and most likely never be revisited. Most likely this is because they'd intended for Starlight to be a recurring antagonist [the Anti-Twilight Sparkle as I thought of her] and Our Town just wasn't really an essential aspect of that idea [although I admit its a bit strange then in that regard why those particular four get so much focus, but maybe they were just supposed to be in-the-moment protagonists and their story was completed by the two-parter's end]Β
The problem with reforming Starlight so soon [in regards to the townsponies] is that the leaving behind of the townsponies no longer fits the mold and she'll need to logically face repercussions for her evil actions via the very village she manipulated and antagonized; and while she KIND OF does, it really feels more like an afterthought the storyboard artists or scene animators put in because the script writer forgot to. There's a whole episode they could have written about it, yet its over in less than 15 seconds.
Its situations like these when I really wish I knew whose ideas were whose and what motivated their decisions.
Q: Another missed opportunity to mention followingΒ The Cutie Map is that they didn't bring Celestia (especially Celestia), Luna, Cadence & Shining Armor (including the Royal Guards), Discord, and the return of the four townsponies into the conflict with Starlight Glimmer.
I remember watching 'Make new friends but keep Discord' when Twilight is with Celestia, and 'Princess Spike' where she's present with Celestia, Luna, and Cadence at the Princess Summit, I think to myself why hasn't Twilight reported to Princess Celestia about Starlight Glimmer?
Do you also consider to wonder why The Cutie Map's premise and Starlight's character was conceived in the first place, and do you commend McCarthy, Larson, and Sonneborn for their work on the S5 premier and Starlight's character?
Also, what do you think is the purpose of having Starlight get away in the end of the premier with questions surrounding her unanswered, do you commend them for that as well.
R: I think Starlight's intro and the episode as a whole were done very well, and I feel its appropriate to award praise to the names attached. The thing about Starlight not being reported, however, I feel was an oversight. I believe that she was originally intended to be a recurring villain, and maybe they either forgot to have Twilight bring this up to any Equestrian authorities, or they wrote the episodes under the impression that she did tell them offscreen and this would just be mentioned the next time Starlight threatened Equestria [and then, of course, the Cutie Re-Mark happened...]Β
Some will attempt to justify this [mostly the fandom] by saying that Twilight did tell Celestia offscreen and then resolved the whole matter with Starlight offscreen between seasons.
However, in regards to Celestia having no presence in TCRM, I don't really see this as a complete flaw, just one that is highlighted by later episodes; TCRM is a season finale where Starlight has Twilight alone and forcing her to see a myriad of alternate futures she's ruined by eliminating Twilight's friendships. This amplifies the threat potential of Starlight, and the lack of Celestia's presence makes Twi even more helpless and alone [forgetting about Spike] I believe that if Starlight went through with ripping apart the scroll containingΒ the time spell and continued to be a recurring antagonist [Twi would use her brain power and memory to undo the spell with the remains of the scroll] It would have also left a big impact on the series; the Princess of Friendship unable to get through to a pony who so vehemently is against it, leaving young viewers with the message that Friendship is neither easy nor is it a quick fix and not everyone will accept it easily.
The following season would have Twilight doubting herself and having informed Celestia of this new foe, and 'Tia would then tighten security in Equestria [which of course the ever-manipulative Starlight Glimmer would find some way to use to her advantage]
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT instead she's reformed without struggle, the reformation with the village is rushed over, and we're left wondering if Twilight ever told ANYONE aside from Spike about Starlight Glimmer and how she'd met the Princesses, Shining Armor, and Discord. Given what happened to the Changelings, I honestly have to wonder now if the higher-ups at Hasbro don't like the idea of recurring evils and they forced Haber to write Starlight out of villainy and later the Changelings out of being at all formidable.Β
As for Starlight getting away, her story a mystery? Yes, I would say I'd have to commend that; it leaves us wanting more and more eagerly anticipating her return just as much as Chrysalis.
What are your thoughts?
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An interesting conversation all together, with many things I hadn't considered. I always assumed Starlight's journey through season 5 was planned, poorly planned but still planned. But there is absolutely a case to be made to say the reformation was sporadic especially considering the after effects of Rainbow Rocks, which is what changed everyone's opinions on Sunset, didn't really set in until we were well into season 5.
There was so much opportunity for Starlight as both a villain and a potential reformed character, but the rush to copy Sunset Shimmer really wrecked that. The thing I agree most about what was said here was that the writers attempted to copy Sunset without understanding why she was so popular. Sunset was not popular because she was evil and then turned good. (Same can be said with Discord who was actually LESS popular after he reformed). She worked hard through struggles of both her enemies and allies to earn a position among her friends; "among" being a keyword there. Meanwhile, Starlight was instantly pushed to an important role, instantly forgiven by both the mane 6 and the ponies of Our Town, and instantly became as powerful as an alicorn, making her at times more impressive than the mane 6.
I don't think Twilight saw Starlight as a threat once she defeated her in the Cutie Map which is why she didn't feel the need to tell any other royal family members. Initially, Starlight was not dangerous because of her magic, she was dangerous because of the power she held over others. Once that power had been shattered, she was basically just an angry unicorn. Twilight was genuinely shocked that Starlight could even do Starswirl's time traveling spell, let alone amplify it. So when Starlight fled in her initial defeat, she was consider to be dealt with. Lets remember that Chrysalis, a much more credible threat, was also considered "dealt with", twice mind you, just because she was exiled.
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