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yasmim456 [2023-12-12 19:55:15 +0000 UTC]
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L0udL0v3r [2020-04-18 22:08:01 +0000 UTC]
Y wooden shiftry B a grass type anymore even though it looks like a tree?
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Gancanagh22 [2019-12-04 18:35:04 +0000 UTC]
Aromatisse would have been the perfect Fairy / Poison type. I hate they didn't do that!
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AdeptCharon In reply to Gancanagh22 [2019-12-05 18:03:54 +0000 UTC]
Yeah that'd have been a more interesting candidate for the combo than Galarian Weezing is IMO
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NirokentheHedgehog [2019-06-26 03:55:16 +0000 UTC]
No Chimecho? The Wind Chime Pokemon isn't a Wind type?
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AdeptCharon In reply to NirokentheHedgehog [2019-06-30 11:11:57 +0000 UTC]
Considering I also have a Sound type in most of my made-up type stuff, I felt like Chimecho has way more association with sound-related things (being a chime, having echo in its name, a plethora of sound-related moves learned etc.), so when choosing between Sound and Wind, I went with Sound.
The alternate option I see, would be if we scrap the only type it officially has, Psychic, to make it Sound/Wind instead... which might actually be a good idea, or?
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Gancanagh22 In reply to NirokentheHedgehog [2019-12-04 18:35:45 +0000 UTC]
No, Sound / Psychic is perfect for it! It drives other pokemon/people crazy with it's psychic sounds.
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VMetalic [2018-11-24 07:57:24 +0000 UTC]
Raikou, Entei and Suicune?
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VMetalic In reply to AdeptCharon [2018-11-24 16:53:43 +0000 UTC]
And are making insane jumps, granted.
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Fuego-fantasmal [2018-11-24 03:49:13 +0000 UTC]
That's great, but basically I had already made an elementary table for Monsters / Fakemons / Pokemons with its strengths and weaknesses, it has new types. Also, the Wind type is only the Flying type but manifested in the form of ... good wind; so it is unnecessary.
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AdeptCharon In reply to Fuego-fantasmal [2018-11-24 09:18:26 +0000 UTC]
Flying type is about the ability to fly and move freely in all 3 dimensions of an open space.
Wind is an element to be conjured up like other elemental types (Fire, Water, Electric..).
Just because something is good at flying, doesn't mean it has an association with Wind as an element. (Hawlucha, Minior)
And just because something can create powerful storms, doesn't mean it has the ability to fly. (Shiftry, Suicune)
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Fuego-fantasmal In reply to AdeptCharon [2018-11-24 16:14:19 +0000 UTC]
"Flying type is about the ability to fly and move freely in all 3 dimensions of an open space.
Wind is an element to be conjured up like other elemental types (Fire, Water, Electric..)."
Sorry, but no. With that logic, the Pokemon / Fakemon could not conjure attacks whose elements are not theirs. I'm sorry, but those of flying type would have to cunjurar wind that would continue to be Flying type and that would not break anything of logic about it. I know, because I've been trying to make sense of elementary types, movements and skills for years until I got something close to perfection. And although the wind type has some logic it's still unnecessary, no matter what, because of what I said before.
"Just because something is good at flying, doesn't mean it has an association with Wind as an element. (Hawlucha, Minior)"
Dude, you just mentioned everything that's wrong with Gamefreak, because they do not even follow their own rules.
First. Minior should be of the Rock / Psychic type with levitation ability; NO Flying type. Gamefreak refuses to turn on the lesson and each time they contradict each other more often.
Second. Haulucha simply has a design like all Pokemon from third generation onwards, so it does not count, and even so Haaulucha's example does not make sense.
"And just because something can create powerful storms, doesn't mean it has the ability to fly. (Shiftry, Suicune)"
First. Shiftry can conjure up flying-type attacks on the part of its appearance that indicates that it can possibly conjure up Flying-type attacks because it is still windy. And no, it does not make sense that this Pokemon can use the Hurricane movement, instead of some other not-so-powerful Flying type attack, because to Gamefreak.
Second. Suicune should be Ice / Normal at this point due to its appearance that has to do with a quadruped mammal but, again, Gamefreak does not give a shit to fix all the inconsistencies, and because of that Pokemon games get worse with each new generation.
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AdeptCharon In reply to Fuego-fantasmal [2018-11-24 18:28:12 +0000 UTC]
"With that logic, the Pokemon / Fakemon could not conjure attacks whose elements are not theirs."
Why couldn't they? I have no idea how you got to that statement or its relevance to discussing what a type is about.
"And although the wind type has some logic it's still unnecessary, no matter what, because of what I said before."
All you said was that wind is a manifestation by Flying types.
With this we could go about removing a bunch of other types then, by saying they are manifestations of those types (like Ice-Water, Rock-Ground..), but I do think the types we have so far are distinct enough to justify their existence.
"Haulucha simply has a design like all Pokemon from third generation onwards, so it does not count"
This is a joke right? Otherwise I don't see us getting anywhere by continuing the conversation much longer about anything relating to PKMN to be honest.
"Gamefreak does not give a shit to fix all the inconsistencies, and because of that Pokemon games get worse with each new generation."
Rightttt.
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Fuego-fantasmal In reply to AdeptCharon [2018-11-24 20:19:30 +0000 UTC]
"With that logic, the Pokemon / Fakemon could not conjure attacks whose elements are not theirs."
Why couldn't they? I have no idea how you got to that statement or its relevance to discussing what a type is about.
Because it has to do with this, for that very reason.
"And although the wind type has some logic it's still unnecessary, no matter what, because of what I said before."
All you said was that wind is a manifestation by Flying types.
With this we could go about removing a bunch of other types then, by saying they are manifestations of those types (like Ice-Water, Rock-Ground..), but I do think the types we have so far are distinct enough to justify their existence.
No, because the Flying type, as well as the Bug type and the Dragon type, allude to something related to a certain species and / or a certain physical characteristic that is only present in that type. For me, those of Flying type that have the appearance of flying beings and that are adapted for that purpose, those of the appearance of bird, bat and probably winged reptiles (Aerodactyl); they are the ones that really count.
"Haulucha simply has a design like all Pokemon from third generation onwards, so it does not count"
This is a joke right? Otherwise I don't see us getting anywhere by continuing the conversation much longer about anything relating to PKMN to be honest.
Pokemon designs from the third generation onwards were getting worse and worse, and I'm not the only one who says so. Basically the designs are simpler and without that level of detail that used to be present in the first and second generation; it is a fact.
"Gamefreak does not give a shit to fix all the inconsistencies, and because of that Pokemon games get worse with each new generation."
Rightttt.
Good.
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RadiumIven [2018-10-10 12:00:03 +0000 UTC]
Flying type is actually wind type.
Flying=Wind
Just saying.
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AdeptCharon In reply to RadiumIven [2018-10-13 10:17:02 +0000 UTC]
To be a Flying type, you just need to be able to fly. So I see it as an ability/power, like Fighting, Psychic, Poison...
Wind is an element that can be magically created or manipulated, like Fire, Electric, Ice...
My main go to example that puts the equivalency into question is Shiftry. Being a wind demon, storms are central to its concept, but at the same time, it would never be a Flying type.
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RadiumIven In reply to RadiumIven [2018-10-10 12:05:53 +0000 UTC]
Also, wind is created by friction of air. So commonly, flying objects created wind. Not to mention, the move Whirlwind is a normal type because in Japanese, it is actually called "Blow Away", which anything can blow.
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Gottmagier In reply to RadiumIven [2019-05-12 12:51:14 +0000 UTC]
That does not make Wind an element of flying exclusively and no Wind is caused by Atmospheric pressure that comprises the Air to Wind, while Birds and flying creature only use this Wind and air to glide through it, they don't create it, they use it. Even then, by your logic Steel type is the Normal-type or fighting type, because it's used by Knights( who are warriors and because of that fighters), it's fighting type.
When we speak about the Wind type, we speak about the Element, NOT their causes you mispresented.
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RadiumIven In reply to Gottmagier [2019-05-13 00:25:01 +0000 UTC]
Arn't all types are elements like Fire, Water, Electric, Grass, Ice, etc?
There are a lot of things consider Flying type as Wind, moves like Air Slash, Air Cutter, Tailwind, Hurricane, these moves are made out of air of wind, not birds. You also have Rotom fan, which is a fan that use for blowing wind consider a flying type, is a flying type because of propeller. Propeller uses it's force to create wind to help helicopter and aeroplane to fly by using the wind to push itself into the sky. While birds use wind to glide, they need to flap their wing to sore them up to the sky with a help of force of wind to push themselves up.
Also, Knight's consider as Steel and Fighting, because Steel is represent their equipment and Fighting is base of their fighting technique.
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Gottmagier In reply to RadiumIven [2019-05-15 18:24:02 +0000 UTC]
Not at all, not all types are based on the Elements, some of them are based on classes of Mythological creatures ( Dragons & Fairy ), some aspects of Humanity( Psychic, Ghost, Dark, Fighting and Normal) and nature( Bug, Poison, flying, and Normal again). They are not based on the Elements in classical and Alchemistic thoughts or Hindu mythology like Fire, Water, Earth( in PKMN, they are separated into the Ground and rock), *Wind*, steel in the case of Chinese teachings of the Elements and Ether, which is Magic or the stuff that made reality possible if you so will.
Also, these moves you mentioned are only secondary flying types moves to shoehorn them into a type, that was more than qualified to be its own thing, but because the creators of the pokemon games have gotten lazy with the types and with a lot of other things in this franchise, they completely missed many opportunities to create a type based on Wind, Air and clouds, instead of being only a part of the Flying type, which should have never existed, I mean, it was just supposed to be the Bird type, until they realized that Birds are not the only flying creatures, leave alone Objects. Another point that needs to be stressed out here is that there are also a lot of moves that are wind-based, yet are not even belonging to the Flying type at all! Vortex, for instance, is a Dragon Type attack, not flying as is Whirlwind and Omnimous Wind, none of these moves are remotely flying type moves. Flying types and flying Creatures, in general, are about using the Air around them to glide through it, but they themselves are not connected to the Element of Wind on a spiritual or even Elemental level like for instance the Water type. Water-type Pokemon are not just creatures that use Water, but they also are creatures with a magical connection to it and even are in some way compromised of water like Blastoise or for a different elemental example, Fire types like Charizard or Grass-types like Serperior. This is not the case with Flying types in Pokemon ( except the Unovan flying bros), they only use Air as meanings of performing Manevours in the air by creating wind around them, but have no connection to the element of the Wind like for a non-Pokemon Example Appa from Avatar, the flying Bison.
The argument you made regarding Knights, actually proves my point about Wind being a separate element from flying, because Knights aren't just warriors, they also are Humans covered in steel. If Pokemon was lazy, they could have just called Knight-like Pokemon FIghting types because Warriors and martial artist use Steel weapons in combat, and yet they are double typed. Besides, If ground and Rock are separate types instead of becoming one Earth Type, why not Make a Wind type and keep the Flying type? A Win-Win for all of us.
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ericgl1996 [2018-03-01 06:16:18 +0000 UTC]
You forgot to add both Pheromosa and Kartana on there because they have Wind type too you know.
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ericgl1996 In reply to AdeptCharon [2018-03-01 20:45:04 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I did remembered those from your other image that you made.
Will you upload both Aquatic, Plastic, Sound and Cosmic type pics like when you uploaded Wind type on there.
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AdeptCharon In reply to ericgl1996 [2018-03-04 17:10:40 +0000 UTC]
made Sound as well now. Don't think I'll make the other 3 anytime soon. Feel like they're less realistic than these two.
Maybe I'll do Plastic some time, because that one is completely unexpected and unique xD
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