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woah, coyotes are way smaller than wolves tho!
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That is NOT true. I perosnally know a trapper who was hired to try and capture the last red wolves. Out of the hunderds captured only a handfull of them were true red wolves, almost all of them had coyote blood in the, those were coyote/red wolf hybridsΒ (coywolves are a hybrid between grayΒ wolves and coyotes)Β which were bred and know the true red wolf population is growing. Besides red wolves look nothing like gray wolves, and most coywolves look more like wolves just smaller. So yes a red wolf is its own species, they just look simular to coyote, like ocelots look just like margays but that does not make them the same animal.
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Don't hate them because they're a hybrid, they're a natural hybrid and existed for a long time.
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So
they're still beautiful even if their not completely wolf
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Yup, it's now been irrefutably proven.
SNP studies show it's little more than 20% wolf. It doesn't even qualify as a proper coywolf!
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but then coywolves are not always red wolves...
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i always thought it was a fox and wolf together
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Ah, yes, this. I've read about red wolves being coywolves, and honestly, I think it's true. I'm also pretty sure that scientists have been able to trace the red wolves' ancestry back to the crossing of wolves and coyotes.
I find that coywolves can be very dangerous. The fact that they have a pack mentality and don't have much fear of humans. I've seen this first hand, as there are coywolves in the area of a friend of mine's farm. They recently killed three foals (each worth tens of thousands of dollars), and only ate one, leaving the other two to rot in the pastures. My friend's dad now has to go kill a bunch of these animals in return, because it's obvious that they will most likely return to kill again.
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I had read somewhere awhile ago that most "Red Wolves" are CoyoteXRedWolf hybrids because the population of pure-bred Red Wolves is so low
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I thought that would be a brush wolf? but this does make sense
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"Brush wolf" is just a fancy, misleading term form "coyote".
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oh... but coyotes don't live in packs? because in a book I've read it says that "brush wolves live in packs of 15-30 animals."
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To the best of my knowledge coyotes are generally found hunting in pairs or small groups but I'm sure larger packs have been reported. 15-30 seems a bit high but I honestly don't know.
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huh one of lifes mysteries 
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Actually. i live in Texas, we have driven off/killed our wolf pop. We know have a huge pop boom of Coyotes. We have packs, they hunt in these packs, and kill in these packs. Where the animal use to be pair or solitary, has grown to hunt in packs. From the sounds outside on some nights i have counted up to 23 different yowls.
and they are violent killers...out behind us is a ranch with cows...and i got to see one eve coyotes attacking a young calf...>.> was not pretty.
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thanks for abswering my questioin
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Red wolves are fucking awesome. I'm sorry, but I have to say that. I love 'em. They're cooler than gray wolves.
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[link] <-- That's what our argument reminds me of. XD
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Yeah, that sums it up pretty well
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Why the hell did I favorite this? I guess I thought it said "not". Anyways. This isn't true. Wolf/coyote hybrids are often mistaken for red wolves, which is an issue, as is hybridization between red wolves and coyotes.
I just went to the Point Defiance Zoo, which has these wolves, and a keeper gave a lecture on just this. *headdesk* Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have had just a problem with this.
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Also, I'm really not sure why you felt the need to tell me that you favorited/unfavorited this, I wouldn't have noticed or cared one way or the other.
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I told you because it makes you look ignorant.
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You told me you removed a favorite... because it made me look ignorant.
Well okay then.
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You've got me. XD I suppose it made me feel ignorant, or at least scatterbrained for not reading it closely enough.
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Cite your sources, please.
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They pretty much all address interbreeding.
Wolf Haven
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AZA
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SSP
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PDZA
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Canids
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Now I only skimmed these so correct me if I'm wrong but the links in question only seem to address supposed "red wolves" cross breeding with coyotes.
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No, they're pretty much all just about red wolves, and mention breeding with coyotes as a threat to the species.
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And that has what to do with this stamp?
I was hoping you'd link me to some conclusive proof to back up your side of the argument, at least that would have made for an interesting read. Oh well, too much to ask I guess.
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EVERY single link I posted earlier was credible and conclusive. Did you just ignore those? Geez. Do you need to me get an email from a zookeeper or something? Really?
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The difference is that your links aren't arguing anything whereas Alaska's (which are just as credible and even more conclusive IMO) are. Going on that alone I'd be more inclined to believe her side of the debate
You seem to be getting really defensive over this, and judging by the rest of the comments it's only because Alaska supposedly hates wolves (she doesn't, by the way... two seconds of browsing her page or #Anti-Wolf should have told you that). Why does it even matter? Red wolves are currently one of the most highly protected animals on the planet and de-listing them would cause an epic shitstorm that nobody in their right mind would want to deal with.
Personally I always thought they looked like overgrown coyotes.
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Honestly, I've spoken to zoologists who would disagree with you (and I take it you didn't bother checking out my links). Yours just seemed to speak in general terms about the red wolf and red wolf conservation without going on to discuss genetics or anything along those lines. Do I care that Point Defiance has 14 "pure" animals? No, not terribly.
Of course these people are going to defend red wolves. Not only is it their job to do so but if they're no longer considered a separate species then they won't be protected. I wonder if they might be a teensy bit biased...
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And yours aren't?
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Thank you for disregarding all but one line of my response.
Seeing as the first link was from canids.org and not some hunting organization and that the title of the article was "Red Wolves: to Conserve or not to Conserve" I'd say that's a hell of a lot less biased than a wolf preserve that can't even offer me some DNA analysis.
But hey, if you want to believe what you heard in a lecture from a zookeeper then knock yourself out. It's not my place to try and change your mind, I can only offer you my side of the argument (which, for the record, remains completely unswayed).
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I guess it's not my place to argue with someone who believes just a couple of internet sites that she's seen.
If anything, you've just strengthened my opinion.
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You're amusingly snippy, I'm enjoying this conversation quite a bit 
How, dare I ask, did I "strengthen your opinion"? I also like that you conveniently forget the part where I mentioned discussing this very topic with zoologists, by the way. There was even a fellow at Wild Spirit Wolf Sanctuary who felt that red wolves were coyote/wolf hybrids but was troubled by the fact that acknowledging this would mean that they would no longer have protection.
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It's because I got the news that I need my wisdom teeth out. *rolls eyes*
"Get off my high horse" to believe something that your two isolated sources argue? Not likely, especially when you're admittedly "anti-wolf." That pretty much says that you're bound to believe that all red wolves are just mutt animals.
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[link] - In contrast to this ancient origin-recent introgression hypothesis, molecular data are more consistent with an origin through hybridization between gray wolves and coyotes.
[link] - A similar issue has risen with the red wolf in southeastern United States. Molecular genetic analysis of red wolves has led some scientists to believe that the red wolf is actually a hybrid of gray wolves and coyotes. Allendorf et al., supra note 33, at 619. While some scientists dispute a hybrid origin for the red wolf, much of the debate has centered on whether the hybridization was historical or recent.
There's plenty more information out there, you just have to look for it.
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I'm not at all surprised to see that she completely ignored this comment.
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Except I am not "admittedly anti-wolf"
You avoided my question again, by the way.
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coyotes and wolves can mate and procreate?
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Yes, although it's not something that happens very often. Coyotes also interbreed with dogs.
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i thought that wolves\dogs were not compatible.
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Plenty of people own wolf/dog hybrids. It's not really something I agree with but they do exist.
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i meant with coyotes.
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