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alexpixels In reply to SonicSpyroNiGHTS-Fan [2018-03-23 13:11:39 +0000 UTC]

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alexpixels In reply to FoXX99 [2018-02-27 12:15:50 +0000 UTC]

do not worry me too brother, what a wonderful gift He gave us

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alexpixels In reply to Lightning-Mover256 [2018-02-27 12:16:30 +0000 UTC]

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alexpixels In reply to sarahkitten42 [2018-02-27 12:16:45 +0000 UTC]

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alexpixels In reply to Bug-Cider [2018-02-27 12:17:48 +0000 UTC]

do not worry, He's coming

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Bug-Cider In reply to alexpixels [2018-02-27 13:22:42 +0000 UTC]

I'm not worried. XD

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alexpixels In reply to Bug-Cider [2018-02-27 18:05:05 +0000 UTC]

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Bug-Cider In reply to alexpixels [2018-02-27 18:05:24 +0000 UTC]

XD

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alexpixels In reply to roxersboxers [2018-02-27 12:32:24 +0000 UTC]

Why? Well, because God did not destine us to anger, He gave us a chance that is grace in Jesus Christ so that we could access Father

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roxersboxers In reply to alexpixels [2018-02-28 10:53:46 +0000 UTC]

Mhmm, So he was violent and wrathful but then had a change of heart and gave us a chance for redemption... Key point to the biblical scripture is that he (changed) thus proven the claim he never changes incorrect. If he is all knowing then he would have already known what we were going to do, how angry he would become with us and skip basically everything written in the old testament and just have Jesus come to "save" us in the beginning. If you seriously believe that the Christian god is without fault, you are not intelligent enough to notice inconsistencies in your own scripture and belief. Blind faith is not true belief, acknowledging that the stories have fault because they were written by human beings is an important part of being intelligent and not brainwashed.

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alexpixels In reply to roxersboxers [2018-03-02 09:50:58 +0000 UTC]

did you read the Bible?

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roxersboxers In reply to alexpixels [2018-03-02 14:05:34 +0000 UTC]

I've read the old and new testament, Book of Mormon, Torah, Quran, Tripitaka and I'm working on the Vedas currently. I've made sure to read them because I'm majoring in Anthropology, different cultures beliefs and religions fascinate me. Sadly many people who are religious seem to not know what they are talking about, A great current example would be Christians who are against gays, They will quote Leviticus 18:22 but when asked about the old testament (which they just quoted) they will say its irrelevant because the new testament is the only "important book". My point is, every major religious scriptures have contradictions in stories and teachings. Not having the ability to hear a story and finding/recognizing flaws is like ignoring major plot holes in a film.  Think of it this way, say you watch a film where its said many times that gold holds no value in the world the film takes place in, the main character finds a ton of gold and at the end is now super rich with no explanation why he is rich if gold holds no value. Now you bring this up to someone else who has seen the film but they say "Nope you don't know what you are talking about because gold IS valuable", would you not think that person to be a little blind to the fact the movie said many times the gold was worthless? That is what its like pointing out clear contradictions in any religious text, people ignore the contradictions and give twisted logic to justify their belief that scripture is as flawless as they believe it to be. 

Another great example to religious ignorance would be the Book of Mormon, Mormons claim there is no hell even though their own book explains there is one at (1 Ne 9:10 and Helaman 6:28). - I live in Utah and I love bringing this up because is shows how even the most faithful Mormon has never took the time to read their own scripture.

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alexpixels In reply to roxersboxers [2018-03-24 16:08:20 +0000 UTC]

what do you want to say in clear?

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Cu-bomb In reply to roxersboxers [2018-03-19 18:12:46 +0000 UTC]

Actually, I have noticed that there are no real contradictions in the scripture of the bible. It's what people say and how assume they interpret it that causes confusion. It states in the new testament that 'the old law' was gone because love fulfills the law. This is not contradictory, as it does not cancel out the old testament, but summarizes in a much simpler, easier to follow form. Also, it appears as though his wrath was justified because of how people wrongfully acted. It never says in the bible that he gives an infinite amount of patience and grace, but a sufficient amount that each person deserves. This means they must mean they disobeyed him to certain extent to where he had to enact discipline. Now of course, I've been looking into some possibilities and ideas at how the bible could be right or wrong and how God's existence could be true or false. However, every statement that says the bible is wrong has holes and can be easily knocked down and every statement that shows it is right opens more questions and possibilities. All I have to say is, if you want to prove something wrong or right, you must constantly look up every single fact, opinion, and statement, justify or disprove them with hard evidence from the source, and accept every fact that is true and reject those that are false, even if it doesn't support your side. That's how I find all my evidence.

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roxersboxers In reply to Cu-bomb [2018-03-19 22:14:00 +0000 UTC]

"I have noticed that there are no real contradictions in the scripture of the bible."

Imagine that, someone with a personal bias saying that there is nothing wrong with the bible...
I don't have any option either way about religion, if people want to believe that there are pink elephants that control the weather then fine, let them. 
But when you have written stories that does have contradictions and "plot hole" like errors they should be pointed out. 

Like in the Quran its said that saltwater and freshwater can't mix and people believe it to be fact because its in their religious text, I would say that is how Christians see the bible, "no flaws here! its in gods book!" 
I would be the person to take a cup of saltwater and freshwater, mix them and tell them to split them apart if they can't be mixed. 

Also, when you try to be fair on a subject like religion, its best not to have such a strong, one sided opinion on the matter. The fact that your page is full of "god loves you, I want to be closer to god" stuff shows you can't possibly be fair minded. Like I said in my last comment, its religious ignorance, just like the Mormons saying they don't believe in a hell even though their own book says there is. I don't want to bash you for having faith in something, but I will bash ignorance no matter the subject. 

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Cu-bomb In reply to roxersboxers [2018-03-20 01:32:00 +0000 UTC]

I see. A may point out that you have not once said a single fact going against Christianity. You did try to relate it to other religions, but a court cases are not solved by just relating the situation to other cases. Besides, it doesn't really help to compare an older religion to younger ones as things could have been different back then. I do have some stuff on my page that does talk about how I love God, but that does not mean I am biased. I am the type that would through out anything doesn't seem to have any good evidence and accept things that do. I have, for example, looked into every way on how this universe can exist without the need of an all powerful deity. I tried to find one, but all the theories I explored ended in illogical holes or the requirement to have began (thus needing an all powerful creator). If atheism was completely correct, I would most likely choose it. However, I have learned that I unable to disprove God due to the fact that an all powerful deity can do anything. As a result, he could have made the proof used against him, thus making that proof obsolete. Also, I have seen some major differences between Christianity and other religions, so one should not compare them so easily. The major detail is that it has multiple witnesses within it. It has four books (the gospels) explaining the same story. This is very unheard of when it comes to religion. This makes it so we can compare the stories for important parts and see how they are similar and different and allows for more accuracy and possibility of being true. It is seen in court cases where if there is only one witness or if the stories are completely different or the same, the story is most likely false. There is reasonable logic to Christianity. Also, these plot holes and contradictions you talk about, can you point those out because I might be able to clear up some confusion.

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roxersboxers In reply to Cu-bomb [2018-03-20 02:05:24 +0000 UTC]

I'm not comparing religions, what I'm doing is comparing the mindsets of those who follow the religions and how they view the scripture of said religions. 
All you are doing is seeing someone challenging something you hold to be 100% correct, without fault and completely pure, then taking offence and then coming to its defense.

I never said anything about disproving god, just the claims people make in the stories. 

Nothing on Christianity? Lets delve into genesis for example and god being (all powerful, all knowing) 

"There was "nothing" and god said let there be light, he then went on to create everything right? So he created the snake that told Eve to eat the fruit, why did he make the snake? before you say he didn't, "nothing existed before god made it". He is also "all powerful" and can do anything, he could have stopped the snake, hell, he could have just not made the tree with the fruit to begin with! How did he not already foresee that the snake would tell Eve to eat it? - either not all knowing or just didn't care that it would happen. -usual answer? "God works in mysterious ways" bullshit, which is basically saying "it works by magic" Its a cop-out and not an answer.

Want more examples? here is an idea, LOOK THEM UP! but I'm sure you have seeing as how you said the following.

"I have, for example, looked into every way on how this universe can exist without the need of an all powerful deity." - You

Oh have you?! I've spent a substantial amount of time studying religion and science and I haven't even begun to scratch the surface of "everything" to do with it, you must have been at your venture for hundreds of years and studied under various scholars and historical/religious figures to have explored "every possible way"! 

No, what you have done is watch some Youtube videos, Don't kid yourself and don't flat out lie because its very obvious. The simple fact that you make the claim to have "looked into every possible way" makes it very, very clear that you are just on the defense because you have taken offence to the discussion before you replied. I have not once insulted the religion itself, just the ignorance that people have regarding their religion and the ignorance they have to the stories and the illogical holes that they have. 

Before you reply, Its very obvious that you are upset, i get it.  its also very clear that you have a bias towards the conversation and just want to defend your religion, that is also understandable. However saying things like you have looked into everything to do with the universe and its creation is a flat out falsehood, judging by your artwork I would guess you are very young, study up a bit, look into actual studies, discussions, debates and criticisms while keeping an open mind. There is still a lot for you to learn. However I have no interest in wasting my time talking with someone who obviously could have the god they believe in pop up in front of them, tell them that their scripture was written by men, has errors and still have the ignorance to even call him a liar.  That is how transparent your blind faith is, have a lovely day.  





 

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Cu-bomb In reply to roxersboxers [2018-03-20 05:26:18 +0000 UTC]

Here's the thing. I was not offended. I'm not upset. I was just trying to open your mind to some other ideas. I honestly just enjoy a decent conversation on the subject now and then. Personally, I agree that the "God works in mysterious ways" is crud. It really occurred because he want to give people a choice. It's like a parent scenario. They give you choice to do what is right and what is wrong. I have looked into quite a few debates while keeping an open mind. I always do. Live by what you preach as they say. I don't really watch YouTube videos to get my facts. I get them instead from documentaries and books. "Looked into every way" was an exaggeration (I guess that wasn't apparent), but so far my searches have proven fruitless at finding a Godless universe(s) that works. Even if I do find a way it would work, an all powerful deity could have still created it anyways. No fact can determine the nonexistence of one as the deity could have made said fact.
I hope that you open your mind up and have good day.

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roxersboxers In reply to Cu-bomb [2018-03-20 05:46:38 +0000 UTC]

Again, you make this whole thing out to be a discussion on proving or disproving a deity which it was not at all about. You fail to even comprehend what the discussion was about in the first place. Kind of shows the level of education given at Wylie East High I guess. 

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Bug-Cider In reply to roxersboxers [2018-02-14 21:45:26 +0000 UTC]

God is the same in the old, and New Testament. The people were at fault, God gave them many chances { that's why there was so many different covenants in the Old Testament  }, but also wasn't going to be taken advantage of, and punished those accordingly.

God's FINAL covenant with mankind is Jesus Christ, and those who accept Jesus as Lord, and savior, he is slow to anger towards. 

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roxersboxers In reply to Bug-Cider [2018-02-14 23:44:23 +0000 UTC]

Mmhmm, its kind of like people who say god never makes mistakes and then ignore that Lucifer (a fallen angel) was his first creation. I know, you will have some kind of excuse for that too, people always do when given criticism over their religious scripture. Its no different than someone who refuses to admit that episodes of stat trek have contradictions, they always give some kind of work around logic to make themselves feel better and claim that the thing they love is without fault or error.  

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Bug-Cider In reply to roxersboxers [2018-02-15 00:19:07 +0000 UTC]

Well Star Trek is a tv show, and not a religion.
As a FAN you can deny certain facts/claims and still be a fan.
As a follower of the faith you can't deny any facts/claims because then you wouldn't be a true follower.

What you would call an excuse, we call truth, it is written in scripture.
In the Bible scripture is said to be God breathed, and as daughters, and sons of the most high we believe it. In the Bible it is said God is infallible, and all knowing again which we believe.
As to where a tv show's canon, you can go back and find the contradictions in the episodes. In the Bible you can't, because the contradictions aren't there.
The contradictions you claim the Bible has, are not there.
Now back to God being all knowing, Lucifer was made for a good purpose before his rebellion. God knew he would rebel, and allowed him to do because Lucifer had a free will, and made his own choices God did not create Lucifer as the devil, Lucifer was created for good.

Also as for Lucifer being God's first creation that is NOT found anywhere in scripture.
If you're going to argue about someone's faith, you should really read into it first.

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sarahkitten42 In reply to Bug-Cider [2018-02-15 03:56:15 +0000 UTC]

I just wanna say Amen to that.

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Bug-Cider In reply to sarahkitten42 [2018-02-15 03:59:13 +0000 UTC]

Thank you, and may the lord bless you.

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