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This is based off of a song by Steve Taylor, the lyrics explain it all! Look below for LyricsA Christian counselor wrote, quote,
"It's the only human choice ahead
If you can't support it
Why don't you abort it instead?"
You say you pray to the sky
Why? when you're afraid to take a stand down here
'Cause while the holy talk reads like a bad ad-lib
Silence screams you were robbing the crib
Say it ain't none of my business, huh?
A woman's got a right to choose
Now a grave-digger
Next you pull the trigger
What then?
Whatever happened to sin?
I heard the Reverend say
"Gay is probably normal in the Good Lord's sight
What's to be debated?
Jesus never stated what's right"
I'm no theology nut, but
The Reverend may be a little confused
For if the Lord don't care
And he chooses to ignore-ah
Tell it to the people
Of Sodom and Gomorrah (woah)
Call it just an alternate lifestyle, huh?
Morality lies within
Consciences are restin'
Please repeat the question again
Whatever happened to sin?
When the closets are empty
And the clinics are full
When your eyes have been blinded
By society's wool
When the streets erupt
In your own backyard
You'll be on your knees
Praying for the national guard
If you don't care now
How the problems get solved
You can shake your head later
That you never got involved
'Cause the call came ringing
From the throne of gold
But you never got the message (got the message)
'Cause your mind's on hold
A politician next door
Swore he'd set the Washington Arena on fire
Thinks he'll gladiate them
But they're gonna make him a liar
Well he's a good ole boy
Who was born and raised
In the buckle o' the Bible Belt
But remember when you step
Into your voting booth
He'll never lie
He'll just embellish the truth
Promises were made to be broken, right?
You've gotta play the game to win
When you need supporting
Tell 'em that you're born again
Whatever happened to sin?
Gotta love Steve Taylor!
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Reminds me of a folk-style song I heard someone playing once.
"An' God was on the first bus out.
'I can't save this town, I can't save this town.
You'd best get to higher ground,
'Cause I can't save this town,
I can't save this town..."
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Which is why now there is less murder and rape then at another point in time... Because we are in sin!
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Longer, colder winters, late and short growing seasons, hot and dry summers, larger and more numerous wildfires, disease, civil unrest, natural disasters, and a completely ineffective government who constantly seek to put more distance between themselves and God.
Sounds a lot a like Soddom, Gommorah, Egypt (just before the Exodus), and the modern United States. If you ask God to leave, He will. "Where was God at Sandy Hook?" the schools kicked Him out. "Where was God at the World Trade Center?" the companies housed there turned away from Him, the first-responders turned to Him.
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Erm that is because of the abandonment of Keynesian economics and Global Warming....
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There is good and evil. There is Truth and lies. But in the end The Truth prevails.
Sin and righteousness have nothing in common.
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There is good and evil. There is Truth (Bullshit) and lies (facts). But in the end The Truth (Bullshit) prevails.
Which is why people now overwhelmingly in every well educated countries have decided Homosexuality is natural and harmless and only low functioning misanthropes are the only ones who don't support among the educated!
Sin and righteousness have nothing in common.
dadona777.deviantart.com/art/I… Yes and it is not a sin!
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Um, homosexuality is NOT natural at all: fcu777.deviantart.com/journal/…
Just as light and darkness have nothing in common, so does sin and righteousness have nothing in common. Sin is of the devil and it is what separates man away from God and lead people to Hell, whereas righteousness (real righteousness for that matter) is of God, and does not mix in with evil.
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Your thingy says that Homosexuality rarely stays same-sex relations.... which is why every gay person I know is basically if they are over 30 in a committed relationship for long years and further more many of the gay men I know are prudes who don't want to talk to much about sex period?
Further more Bright Light can be as blinding as Darkness kid!
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Still, doesn't change the Truth that homosexuality is a sin. In fact, recent study shows that gay people get HIV and AIDS more than anyone else: www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=…
www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=…
Furthermore, its only darkness that blinds people from seeing the Truth, whereas light does the complete oppose. Light shows Truth. And Jesus is Truth.
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Still, doesn't change the Truth that homosexuality is a sin. In fact, recent study shows that gay people get HIV and AIDS more than anyone else: www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=…
It is true, but WW AIDS is a heterosexual desease.
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They get aids because when you can't think about "WHAT IF I HAVE BABIES" and thereby it is much less likely to think, "I BETTER USE A CONDOM!" And Leszy Aids is rare occurrence lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbi… and why do blacks get AIDS all the time... Are they sinful! I have met as many blacks with AIDS as Gays... Is it teh race-mixing which was in fact considered sinful at one time? Were did all those signs go which quoted Bible Verses to justify segregation... I saw pictures of them in my Unitarian Church and all though I am a older style of Unitarian I must admit I think you should see the pictures yourself!
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Um, excuse me?
You comparing race-mixing with homosexuality? Oldest and by far most pathetic argument ever.
Anywhos, it takes a man and a woman to make and raise a baby, not two of the same gender: fcu777.deviantart.com/journal/…
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You comparing race-mixing with homosexuality? Oldest and by far most pathetic argument ever.
It was in fact considered a sin back in the day... www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04… Here are some verses which were used to oppress African Americans...
Oh and so such verses have now been reinterpreted by Christians... But race-mixing was once considered Sinful!
Your link is simply 1 case... In that case I could simply find that case of that Protestant couple I heard about down here in Florida and say all Protestant Couples are bad!
To quote the American Psychologist "Despite considerable variation in the quality of their samples, research design, measurement methods, and data analysis techniques, the findings to date have been remarkably consistent. Empirical studies comparing children raised by sexual minority parents with those raised by otherwise comparable heterosexual parents have not found reliable disparities in mental health or social adjustment. Differences have not been found in parenting ability between lesbian mothers and heterosexual mothers. Studies examining gay fathers are fewer in number but do not show that gay men are any less fit or able as parents than heterosexual men."
In other words lots of studies have shown Homosexuals are as good of parents as straits! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_par…
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Wrong. Studies show that gays make the worst parents, and that kids are better off with a mom and dad: www.thepublicdiscourse.com/201…
barbwire.com/2014/05/10/cdc-st…
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Sources are both extreme rightist sources... I think the source I used was pretty neutral although I have heard that wiki can be very bias on some issues. I would suggest finding people who are considered less controversial... First off I would like to answer the question that since people can be born with the wrong body parts for their sex why can't they be born with the wrong brain or body or be born with the wrong parts of the brain. I have autism and therefor I have always considered my Pan-sexuality more mis-wiring. Why can't a person be wired in a way which makes them more female or male then they appear?
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If you're referring to transexuality: fcu777.deviantart.com/journal/…
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www.newscientist.com/article/d… Here is a article on Brain Scans of Transsexuals in case you really believe what is in your article and I was talking about a range of sexual personality types not just transsexuals or in the Bible did they have complex knowledge of brain structure. I mean and further more the Human Brain Structure has changed since the time of the Bible... In fact the style of the New Testament and Old Testament are completely different unless it was different people of different ages with different views describing God!
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Wrong. The Bible is NOT man-made, its the Word of God. And God and His Word are one.
fcu777.deviantart.com/journal/…
And btw, if God was able to change Saul to Paul, then He can change the heart of any human being, and this testimony proves just that: www.barbwire.com/2014/03/29/fl…
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How do you know it is the word of God and not just men describing him... Give me some verses on that!
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"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." ~ 2 Timothy 3:16-17
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:1-14
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12
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And those are Paul's Letters I believe... And me and mom consider Paul a blow hard who jumped ship to save his ass! Everyone at the time knew Christianity would start taking over as is known now that Islam will start taking over in this time! As a Unitarian I reject Paul and there is no reason to believe he was divinely inspired.... As a Old Style Unitarian I would like scripture that is not of Paul but of Jesus and your one word of Jesus is with statement that the "word was with god and the word was god" but the "Word" is not the Bible but Jesus himself! Your verse from Hebrews says the "Word" also which is Jesus! bible.org/netbible/ Returning to Paul he is erm sorry but a Man who knew Jesus through prayer... Thomas Jefferson knew Jesus in the same way and he had a lot to say on Paul and none of it good!
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www.openbible.info/topics/bibl…
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I am sorry you didn't explain that linmk and I am having trouble firguring it out!
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Recently got the album On the Fritz from iTunes. 
Nice! 
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Thanks! My dad has all of Steve Taylor's albums. He is a lyrical genius!
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there is no good or evil; there is no sin or virtue. there is only human behavior!
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That is what you choose to believe
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Those are the most insulting song lyrics I have ever read.
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At first, I thought so too. But there's a lot of truth to it. Churches are gradually conforming to the world, allowing things like abortion, homosexuality, and the like to be considered "normal". As this song states, Abortion is murder. Period. And when you really wrap your mind around this, consider how wrong it is. It's not JUST murder, but murdering a child. And not just any child, your OWN child. Abortion is murder of your own flesh and blood.
Homosexuality is explicitly listed as an abomination to God.
Yet again as the song states, these issues are being ignored and allowed in the church. I'm not saying people should go "burn the witch" but people should turn a blind eye to it either.
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And as a woman who loves other women and supports the right to abortion, that's exactly what I find so offensive. That people, in the 21st century, still find that sort of stuff to be horrible enough to write songs about it. People need to put on their adult pants and realize that a VERY old book should not govern the world.
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Absolutely, there is NO book that should rule the world.
It is irritating to me that so many Christians look at the Bible and just click "I agree", like the End User License Agreement for the newest program they bought.
While I don't support your choice to be lesbian, that is YOUR choice. You already know how God feels about that. I'm not going to beat a dead horse into the ground. In fact I'm not even going to quote scripture (from an old book).
I follow Jesus (who I truly believe with all my heart to be God) because of what He has done for me. To start with, I used to be a VERY angry person. I had a short fuse, and too much fighting capability to be safe to be around. I hated that about myself. I never wanted to hurt people, but my anger was hard to control. Skipping ahead, I have a friend who had suffered from Fibromyalgia. I had known her for a while and there were times where it was so intense that she couldn't stand, or even think. Back to me, I have a fiancee I intend to see. She is in the Philippines and I thought it would take me FOREVER to get there.
When I first accepted Jesus, I was completely broken because I lost a girlfriend over my choice to want to be Christian because of the values that I saw the Bible talked about. Over the course of a year, I learned how to stop being so angry. Now, about 5 or 6 years later, I'm one of the hardest people to get angry. My friend was healed during a Christian retreat where we all went. She has been re-evaluated by the doctor she saw, and he has confirmed that she is completely healed of it. Though he can't pin an explanation on how or why, it is blatantly obvious considering what God had been telling her in prayer just earlier that day. I prayed to God so often it wasn't even funny. The most selfish prayer, but at the same time, completely selfless. I asked him constantly to bring me to my fiancee and her daughter. Her mother who she lives with treats her extremely poorly, and it pains me every time her mother does something like that to her. But just recently I was given donations from members in my church that totaled to $1,000 because God told them they were supposed to.
I now have my ticket to the Philippines and I'm leaving December 3rd. These things are nothing short of miracles, and are living proof to me that God is real, and that He cares. The amazing thing is, this isn't even half of the great stuff either. My fiancee was healed of tuberculosis, and I was gifted with prophetic art that spoke SO personally to be people, it has often brought them to tears. Easily half of them I didn't know at all, or knew VERY little about. But yet each one of them had words and picture, and spoke so deep into their life, it was obvious that the words were NOT from me, but God.
No, an old book should not govern the world. But the God who I worship who works all these great things, HE should, and He DOES, because He created it. I believe that with all my heart.
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I'm not a lesbian, I just like women too
I don't believe in a god, but even if he were real, I wouldn't worry. If he would damn me to hell simply for loving someone, he's not someone I would want to spend eternity with anyway.
I'm very glad Christianity has made you happy, there's nothing wrong with that. It makes me UNhappy, but that just means I won't participate in it. If it makes you happy, more power to you, enjoy it.
Unfortunately I don't agree with you on the last part, if only because there are hundreds of religions in the world, and it wouldn't be fair at all to ask them to follow the rules of only one religion. But if you want to follow them in your own personal world, by all means.
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In regards to calling you a lesbian earlier, I apologize. I still say it's your choice to be pan-sexual, it sounds. My view of that is that we're made to pro-create between a male and a female.
In response to Him damning you to hell for loving someone. That's not the case. Again from my beliefs, He made everything, and since He made us male and female so we could pro-create, He doesn't want to see us go against that. Yes, some, maybe even many animals exhibit homosexual traits, but they were not given the likeness of God like we were. We are not animals, because He made the animals to serve us.
The only thing I would say to that, is that it isn't Christianity that makes me happy, because there are so many Christians who make me unhappy. But it is a relationship with a loving God that makes me happy.
As for this last part, it's a very tender spot so I will try to tread lightly here. But most religions believe there is a god, either one or many. They also believe that any other god is fake, and not to be followed. One of these has to be true (if you believe in the presence of God, and I find it impossible for ME to believe that because of the many experiences I've been through). I've tried nearly every religion including witch craft. But only one God has spoken, has interacted with me. He brings knowledge that is far beyond my comprehension so that I may know it is God, and not myself. He is kind, loving, and supports justice (which does sadly mean sending the sinners into punishment. But that is NOT to say He wants to. That is why He sent His son to die, so that we did not HAVE to burn.) and because of His love and kindness, I know He is not evil. When I have devoted myself to His will, I have never encountered problems, and His word says that He is the only one and true God. If you choose to believe in Him, then there is an obvious logic problem. All the other religions are based on the wrong God, or a twisted version of God, such as Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons. Now I know of course that anyone IN one of those religions would refuse to believe this, but that is my view.
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That's understandable that you would think that. I hate children, however, so I don't plan on procreating anyway 
I can't really comment on the whole 'animal' thing, because that's your personal belief which you're entitled to, even though it leaves me scratching my head in confusion.
Likewise, I've tried every religion as well, from Christianity to Wiccan, and in the end, none worked for me. I felt no god, no deity, nothing that told me religion was real. That's why I've been an Atheist for the past 10 or so years. It's the most logical and realistic choice for me, and what I lack in godly love I make up in humanistic love.
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I just don't have it in me to hate anyone, but I'll leave that alone.
Yeah, I did end up making that a little hard to respond on.
Ok, so for me, I know I've shared about the little things that have changed me. But my question to you is this, where did everything come from? Why are humans here? Why do humans have conscious thought of right and wrong and can completely change in personality quickly and yet animals don't.
I know these are obviously HUGE questions that would take forever and a day to answer. But the point is not to get your answer (not fully anyways) but to spark a question. Because anyone who looks at evolution under a microscope will start to see the big flaws right away. But when it comes to Christianity, the biggest step is accepting that there is a God. After that, you believe in an all-powerful entity, what couldn't happen from His will?
(Also as a side note, thank you for responding respectfully, and I hope I'm not stepping on your toes too much with this)
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Animals DO have conscious thought of right and wrong and changing personalities though. Scientists (and anyone who deals with animals on a daily basis) have recognized that animals are self-aware, each have their own personality, and they understand the actions of 'wrong' are bad (of course that wrongness is different for each species).
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Animals can also experience the same range of emotions humans do. They fall in love, they feel jealousy, they mourn, they laugh (have you seen that video of rats laughing while being tickled? It's so cute.)
The only difference between animals and man is we're weak, and need to make clothing and tools (though many animals make tools) to survive. Other animals species are exactly like us otherwise.
Can you point out those flaws in evolution? I've looked at it very carefully and I can't see anything wrong with it. It seems pretty straightforward, and you can even witness it happening in real time.
(Naw, I like arguing senselessly as any other person, but it's pretty nice to have a polite debate too, keeps you sane!)
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What I meant on personality was that humans can change completely. For instance, I personally changed from a very angry and lustful person to a kind and gentle person. I've never seen that in an animal.
Yes I do believe that they have emotions, etc, because I have two horses, two dogs, two cats, and seven chickens. I see a lot of animals, and I'm very close to my animals. However, right and wrong, they do not understand in my opinion because for instance my dog knows when she chewed something up she is going to get punished. She will cower in front of me if she's done it because she's afraid of the punishment. However, the concept of it being "wrong" isn't there, only that what she did will get her punished. After all, it's not really "wrong" per say to chew on something.
Flaws in evolution. This is a HUGE topic for me, but to start with, the DNA lock. Inside us is DNA, duh. However, DNA is a code that is VERY exact. DNA can not be changed, but on paper, if you were to change one of the pieces, and try to create that DNA, it would either fall apart, or be another species. However, DNA is of course passed on from parent to child. Any mutations can only range out to a certain point. The basic genetic make-up of a species never changes. It's flat out impossible. So the problem with evolution theory is that let's say Dinosaur 1 mutates a limb that is completely useless and wing-like in appearance. The mutation is useless and will weaken the creature. Survival of the fittest comes into play now. ALL observed mutations (and there's been a lot) have weakened the mutated specimen. Whether it's by radiation or genetic parenting, mutations never "progress" a specimen. Even still, DNA does not change due to environment. For instance, scientists say that fish needed to go on land so they developed legs. That doesn't work. The species is either completely sustainable in which case it does NOT need legs (or whatever mutation) or it is NOT sustainable in which case it dies. So just by circumstances alone, a mutated specimen is HIGHLY unlikely to further procreate. But even further, the DNA only allows for so much mutation. After a certain point, the creature becomes unstable and dies. Thus certain animals that are cross-breeded are OFTEN sterile because the DNA is not stable enough to allow further mutation.
Evolution can not work because DNA is a combination lock that no one (but God) has the answers to.
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You've never seen a rescued pit bull that's been trained to fight turn into a cuddly housepet? 
That's true, it's not wrong to a dog to chew because it's what they're meant to do. However, it's very much wrong to a dog to attack the alpha dog, they see in their eyes absolute wrongness to turn on you and attack. I consider that an understanding of wrong.
I know of several mutated species that have survived, one is called humans 
I'm not sure how I see that disproving evolution though. It just shows that DNA is a fragile, picky thing that needs the perfect environment and body. I can still see evolution functioning just fine.
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Apparently I do need to watch more Animal Planet. But I believe you that it can happen.
Attacking the alpha male is more stupid than it is "wrong" considering the alpha male is the toughest of the others, whether dog or human. Any other dog who tries to challenge the alpha male would be just walking into defeat, unless they seriously doubted the capabilities of their alpha. So I still would say that they don't view "right and wrong" as we do.
Penguins and humans have been found in the earliest of texts, considering that humans wrote them. Some of these texts date back as far as about 3,000 BC. I have an abundance of scientific proof to show that the Earth is only about 6,000 to 10,000 years old. Though it might be easier for you to just go on Google and find the .pdf for "Evolution Cruncher". Plus if there are some points in that book that I simply just accept because of my bias without questioning them, it would be good to see what an intelligent person on the other spectrum thinks of these points.
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Sadly my satellite provider took Animal Planet away from me ): I really miss Animal Cops.
I guess that's just something we'd have to disagree on. I can see animals in my life processing right and wrong in their brains every time I look at them and see they're plotting something.
That . . . I really don't know how to reply to. I just can't comprehend what would lead someone to think the planet is only a few thousand years old. It just leaves me scratching my head.
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I agree there, we probably won't meet on that one. You have a lot of good reasons that I can't fully refute, and I have a lot of good reasons that you can't fully refute. So yeah. Draw? haha
Fair enough, without seeing the facts, I can understand that. The first thing I would look at is the moon. Any self-respecting scientists believes that the moon and the earth were formed at pretty much the same time. Or that the moon was formed very shortly after (but this theory -the moon being created from molten earth bits- is often not accepted because of the many scientific flaws in it).
In the 1950s, R.A. Lyttleton, a highly respected astronomer,
said this:
“The lunar surface is exposed to direct sunlight, and
strong ultraviolet light and X-rays [from the sun] can
destroy the surface layers of exposed rock and reduce
them to dust at the rate of a few ten-thousandths of an
inch per year. But even this minute amount could, during
the age of the moon, be sufficient to form a layer
over it several miles deep.”—*R.A. Lyttleton, quoted in
R. Wysong, Creation-Evolution Controversy, p. 175.
In 5 to 10 billion years, 3 or 4/10,000ths of an inch per year would produce 20-60 miles of dust.
But as anyone who has seen the lunar landing, there is not over 2 or 3 inches of dust on its surface! That is the amount one would expect if the moon were about 6000-8000 years old.
This is my first piece of purely scientific proof. I can also quote a few sources to these, but by all means, Google for yourself. I encourage people to obtain the facts themselves because then you are TRULY learning what is fact or fiction.
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I researched this just to argue with you!
From what I've read, the moon has a very very thin atmosphere formed by gases it releases. With these gases it releases radiation from the sun, which also cause a small bubble to protect it from harmful . . . everything. Besides space rocks, anyway.
(I also think that the idea the moon was formed by impact debris from the earth is the most accepted theory. So I've read, anyway).
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Fair enough, the moon may have a small atmosphere, but the remainder of it does still stay the same. Scientists have measured the amount of dust created on the moon and it still sits at the amount I previously said.
However, thank you for doing research on that. It gives me new insight on that, and so I'm not taking what I'm reading in without seeing any other sides on that.
However, I wouldn't be very certain if that were the ONLY proof I had. So here I go!
Robert Gentry made an amazing discovery that actually occurred world-wide.
I'm going to post the roughly page and a half about it straight from the book "Evolution Cruncher". Pay careful attention to #4,5,7,8,10, and 11. But particularly #7, the imagery really helps to understand this concept.
Also, for your own reference, this can be found on Google "evolution cruncher" page: 122.
In the late 1800s, scientists began studying rocks with
microscopes in order to better understand their crystals and
composition. Learning how to cut rocks into thin slices, they
turned their microscopes on certain rocks, especially granite,—
and found small colored concentric circles inside them.
It was eventually realized that these were actually spherical
shells that went around a central grain in the center (something
like slicing an onion through the middle, and finding
circles; that is, circles inside circles.) These circles (actually
sliced sections of the spheres) were given the name, “halos.”
We today call them “radiohalos.” (The technical term
is pleochroic halos.)
A radiohalo is the mark left around a particle of a radioactive
substance by the radiation coming from the particle.
It can only form in a solid, such as rock; since, in a liquid or
in molten rock, the mark would dissipate and could not be seen.
1 - There are many polonium 218, 214, and 210 halos in
granite; in fact, careful specimen counts and extrapolations
based on them reveal that there are trillions upon trillions
of them in granites all over the world.
2 - The vast majority of these polonium 218, 214, and
210 radiohalos have no uranium 238 halos with them. Therefore
they are primary polonium halos, and not daughter
products of (not made by) uranium 238.
3 - The primary polonium 218 (Po 218) halos are totally
independent of radioactive parents. They are original in all
rock in which they are found. There is no evidence that
they were caused by uranium in the central grain or by
passing uranium streams.
4 - These independent Po-218 halos develop their halflife
halo in only three minutes (in other words, they emit
radiation for only a few minutes), so the radiohalos had to
be in those rocks when the rocks were first brought into
existence.
5 - The rock in which they are found had to be solid
at the time it was first brought into existence, or those
halos could not form inside it within that three minutes.
However, all evolutionary theories say that the earth was
molten for millions of years.
6 - Since Po-218 halos are found by the trillions
throughout all the granites of the world, all of that granite
had to originally become solid in far less than three
minutes, when it was first created, in order for the Po-
218 halos to form properly.
7 - Since this granite is the basement rock, forming a
thick layer, with the continents of the world above it and the
basalt and magma below it, all this continental foundation
had to be formed solid in less than three minutes time.
With this fact in mind, there is little reason to expect the
magma below and the continents above to have been
formed in millions of years, if the granite between them
was formed in less than three minutes.
For example, nearly everyone has dropped an Alkaseltzer
tablet into a glass of water and watched it fizz away. If you
found a glass of ice with half an Alkaseltzer tablet in the
bottom, and bubbles going up in the ice, what would you
conclude? Obviously the ice froze very quickly, or the tablet
and bubbles would have disappeared. So we can know that
the granites became solid in minutes, or the polonium
radiohalos would not have formed.
8 - The alpha-recoil technique has proven that these isolated,
independent Po-218 halos were definitely not caused
by “passing uranium or other radioactive solutions” as theorized
by critics of this discovery. Alpha-recoil research reveals
that radioactive damage trails are always left by passing
radioactive solutions.
9 - The granites should not be classified with the igneous
rocks (all of which came from molten rock), but rather
as primordial or Genesis rocks. Granite (generally almost
white in color) is original in its present solid form and is
not secondary to a prior cooling from the black basalt
beneath it or from anything else.
10 - Granite with its large crystals cannot be made
from any molten rock, including molten granite! When
men melt granite, and then let it cool, it always reforms itself
into ryolite, never into granite. Ryolite has smaller crystals
and looks different. This is another evidence that granite was
not formed from molten rock.
11 - Po-218, Po-214, and Po-210 halos in granite cannot
be reproduced in the laboratory. No one has provided an
acceptable explanation of how independent polonium
could have gotten inside those granites in the first place.
It is an impossible situation, but there they are.
12 - Lab tests on polonium halos are often made on mica
in granite. But fluorite, another large granite mineral, also
has polonium halos. Unlike mica, fluorite is a totally solid
mineral, and polonium halos imbedded within it are the
same as though they were imbedded in solid, thick,
unflawed glass.
13 - Another strong evidence that the independent polonium halos are unique, and not daughter products
of uranium, is the fact that the ring structures of polonium
are different than those in uranium-chain halos.
The sunburst pattern of delicate needle fision tracks, always
seen in uranium radiohalo chains after etching, is totally missing
from polonium radiohalos.
So with this information, the Earth itself could not be made by evolution's original theories, but instead was completely created in less than 3 minutes!
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Ahaha, that was actually a topic I discussed with a girl who believed the world was young too. My main argument is a website that examines Gentry's findings: [link]
It's a tough read if you don't have the patience for geology talk, but it's pretty good at refuting Gentry's claims.
If you don't have the patience for the read, and I don't believe you, here's a short quote: "Po-218 is a decay product of radon, which as a gas can be given off by a grain of uranium in one part of the rock and migrate to another part of the rock to form a uraniumless halo. Apparently a large number of radon atoms are caught or adsorbed at a particular point." That Gentry found almost all his granite halos at cracks in the rock supports this.
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I read the entire link you sent me. Whether you believe me or not won't be of question once you read my reply.
First off, I will have to concede on Gentry's evidence as proof to young Earth on two basis.
First basis being that Gentry was a physicist not a geologist.
The second being that because of this, granite (which after a bit of study I found) is not the material for the bottom crust of the Earth. So pleochloric halos or not, it doesn't fully prove Young Earth without proving it to the base crust material.
Before I continue though, it should be noted that your quote says "Apparently a large number of radon atoms are caught...etc."
meaning that the author isn't quite sure WHY or HOW these halos are made if they are indeed made through the gaseous migration described.
However, I will note one thing.
Gentry was not a geologist, he was a physicist, and a very knowledgable one in his area considering even your article credited his vast knowledge in HIS area.
This said, I think he may know a thing or two about radio-active materials.
While uranium 238 does indeed make polonium 214, 218, and 210, uranium 238 halos were NOT found in any of the specimens that Gentry found.
This STILL means that these halos are primary polonium halos and not daughter products of Uranium 238.
The research on such halos continued into coalified woods where only Po-210 halos are found.
The presence of Po-210 halos in wood reveals a very rapid deposition of the wood during a flood.
Of course I mean the great flood that Noah's Ark rode on.
Elliptical Po-210 halos reveal that rapid covering of this wood occurred as material piled on top of it.
Because these wood samples came from three different geological strata levels, seperated according to evolutionary theory of millions of years, and because the seven major events that happened to one group of samples happened to them all, firm evidence is thus provided that a single Flood occurring at one time in history was responsible for the rapid deposition of ALL these strata.
This I believe is strong evidence against evolutionary dating of the rock strata of Earth.
However, I'm impressed with your reply all the same. I was given a chance to see something I had previously not thought about questioning when it came to Gentry's studies.
I look forward to your next reply.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to put "Believe you" I totally meant "I don't blame you". I don't know how it come out as believe.
Yes, it's only a cause of "apparently". But that doesn't mean jumping to the assumption of "It's proof of a god!" is very healthy. Jumping to the conclusion that the cause is supernatural just because we don't quite understand the exact mechanics of something is really detrimental to human development. Every single cause and explanation should be examined to complete exhaustion, and even then, thinking a deity did it should be the very last explanation accepted.
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I understand. It's human to err. So no worries.
You are totally right there. But again, if only these two things were my proof, I would have little to stand on.
I highly reccommend reading that book "Evolution Cruncher". I'm also very interested in your response to the book. In fact, I'm more interested in YOUR view as you read it. As we've seen so far, there are just thing I haven't considered from my point of view while reading it. You don't need to read it super fast either. It's good to spend time and consider all the points in the subject matter at hand.
It's VERY easy to find. Google "Evolution Cruncher". It's the first .pdf file that shows up. I downloaded it to my computer for ease of access, but that's up to you. Anyways, I would really appreciate if you would give me your views while you read.
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