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Watercolor and ink on paper (older work).

I wanted this image to be "shocking" and "disturbing" to contrast with Obama's
current position as the most powerful man in the world... so that people realize
what famine and poverty really means in some developing countries in the
Global South. Of course, this is just in the most extreme cases. I know how
beautiful and fertile Africa is.
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For more information about my artwork: info@benheine.com
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Africa’s Expectations from Obama

An article by Hany Besada (*)

WITH the US administration marking its 100 days in office, Barack Obama has raised sky-scraping expectations for his term as president, not only at home in the US, but also abroad in Africa. The 44th American President is the first with an African lineage and, not surprisingly, his rise to power has triggered a wave of hope amongst Africans as they look towards the West in anticipation of new beginnings in US foreign policy and diplomatic relations.

Examples of African reverence for Obama abound. Kenya has declared 5 November a national holiday in recognition of Obama’s election. Parallels were drawn world-wide between Obama’s inauguration ceremony in Washington earlier this year, as being eerily reminiscent in scale and scope of Nelson Mandela’s inauguration as South Africa’s first black president in 1994.

Will President Barack Obama be able to deliver in accordance with the super-hero status that Africans are bestowing on him?

In the coming months, Obama will be expected to address Africa’s most pressing crises: Sudan’s six-year conflict in Darfur continues unabated with UN forces being woefully understaffed and underfunded, despite former President Bush labeling it as “genocide”; Somalia has now been without a central government for 18 years and has lost more than one million people to civil conflict and famine; and the Democratic Republic of the Congo is struggling to end a five-year conflict with a death toll deemed the world’s highest since World War II. And, of course, there are the longstanding issues across the continent of food security, corruption, access to clean water and basic health care, and the looming threat of climate change.

There will be some tough decisions ahead in deciding on priorities and whether to drill down on development or security. If the President remains true to the objectives identified in his election campaign, then three items could be expected on his African agenda: accelerate Africa’s integration into the global economy; enhance peace and security in Africa; and strengthen relations with African governments to deepen democracy and accountability.

Already, Obama is making strides towards building good relations with Africa. In recent weeks, the President has surrounded himself with top African advisers —foremost amongst them is the appointment of Susan Rice, former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs in the Clinton administration, to the post of UN Ambassador. Obama had been in touch with South Africa’s former interim President Kaglema Motlanthe about the ongoing political crisis in Zimbabwe.

But there are a number of factors working against him.

No doubt the President’s first loyalty is to serve the needs and heed the priorities of the American people and, as the global financial crisis persists, his ability to deliver on foreign priorities above domestic ones will become increasingly constrained. Some critics even go as far as saying that it would be difficult for Obama to leave the kind of African legacy that his predecessor did given the many other foreign policy priorities of the day, notably Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East crisis among others.

With all the domestic failures and foreign policy blunders that undermined his creditability while in office, earning him the lowest approval rating in recent memory, former US President George Bush could confidently point to his widely deserved and often ignored achievements in Africa. The Bush administration devoted major attention in recent years to supporting Africa's battle to contain the HIV/AIDS epidemic and the devastating effects of malaria.
His President’s Emergency Plan for Aids Relief (Pepfar), described as a revolution, in the sense that it radically altered the administration of healthcare on the continent, has been described as the largest ever global initiative dedicated to tackling a single disease. Since 2003, it provided $15 billion ( $10 billion in new money) to fund desperately needed drugs to more than 1.4 million people who would not have been able to afford them. This has had a tremendous impact on increasing access to AIDS treatment on the African continent.

Under the Bush administration, aid to Africa increased to more than $5.6 billion in 2008, from $1.3 billion in 2001. Bush introduced a less bureaucratic Millennium Challenge Account (MCA), targeted at a select group of countries. Using a 16-point indicator, this bilateral development aid fund is aimed at countries that satisfy various criteria, pertaining to free-market economic policies, democratic governance and anti-corruption reforms. Supporters point out that all of these were instrumental in ushering in a new level in African-US relations, namely one based on investment and trade, rather than on aid alone.
In any event, it is unhelpful to speculate as to whether Obama will match Bush’s achievements in Africa and meet the enormous expectations of Africans over the coming period. Time will tell as to how Africa will come to judge the Obama administration.

What is certain, however, is that Africa is too important to be ignored. The continent is slowly attempting to improve it efforts to govern itself; to resolve internal disputes, distrust, and grievances; to usher in political pluralism; and to integrate economically within the global economy. The US cannot afford to continue confining Africa to the realm of its lowest priorities, while failing to take note of all the progress and achievements of the past decade, which countries such as China and India have either taken full advantage of, or taken part in. There is no better time than the present for the US to assure Africa of its full commitment to playing a more active and constructive role in the continent’s rapid transformation and development.


(*) Hany Besada is Senior Researcher and Program Leader at the Centre for International Governance Innovation (CIGI) in Waterloo, Canada.

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Comments: 62

WinxSurprises [2014-12-07 18:31:55 +0000 UTC]

*Cries*

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Nihilofilo [2013-09-27 03:00:57 +0000 UTC]

Not just that.
The United States has financed and given overall direction to the worst genocide since World War Two, in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Since 1996, Washington has drenched Congo’s eastern provinces in the blood of over six million people. The governments of Rwanda and Uganda, the direct perpetrators of this holocaust, are in every sense of the word agents of U.S. foreign policy, who operate with impunity under the imperial umbrella.
A growing number of voices now charge that the Obama administration, like the Bush and Clinton administrations before it, has “protected” Rwanda and Uganda in their de facto annexation of eastern Congo and its mineral riches. But the actual relationship is more like that between a Mafia Godfather and his murderous henchmen. For 16 years, Uganda and Rwanda have done the bidding of their paymasters and arms suppliers, the American and British governments. If the Nuremburg rules of international justice were in force today, the highest officials in London and Washington would face death by hanging for their monstrous crimes – and only later would Presidents Kagame of Rwanda and Museveni of Uganda take their walk with the executioner.
When Congolese women and children screamed in agony, United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice said, literally, that the U.S. should “look the other way” – knowing full well that a people were being annihilated. She is no different than the high Nazi officials who were hanged for waging aggressive war and the slaughter of millions, almost 70 years ago.
“If the Nuremburg rules of international justice were in force today, the highest officials in London and Washington would face death by hanging for their monstrous crimes.”
And now, after 16 years of unspeakable carnage, the world’s greatest military power, equipped with the most sophisticated means of information gathering ever devised, whose soldiers train and equip the Rwandans and Ugandans who are responsible for tens of thousands of murders a month, claims to have only the most limited knowledge of how six million people wound up dead – half of them children below the age of five.

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matthew-lane In reply to Nihilofilo [2014-04-19 13:15:51 +0000 UTC]

Hahahahahaha, no.

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iblisregime [2013-01-10 05:20:54 +0000 UTC]

Why is Africa the continent still poor? still in the dark ages? rampant curruption? inadequate health and social care? no leading role in the developed world? its simple.....Your presidents (dictater's) are nothing more then a protocol interm government (puppets) The west, Europe, Asia, South America steal away all of the natural resources (A-Z)

Just because Obama is black, does not change a thing , but he's nothing more then a stepping stone to move on and put aside this "stigma" about a black president of the United states. who knows, maybe one day, there will be a Mexican president of the USA? hey, never say never.

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matthew-lane In reply to iblisregime [2014-04-19 13:18:06 +0000 UTC]

LOL no. The reason why some African nation are still poor is due to mismanagement by African governments..... Not all Governments, since some African nations are currently the fastest growing nations in the world. African nations need to stop looking to America for saving, its not any one elses job to bail out Africa.... As for this "white people are stealing our resources" line of logic: Bullshit.

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Waracki99 In reply to iblisregime [2013-06-10 19:35:20 +0000 UTC]

Yup, after JFK (last true president) died, this "fully democratized"
election become a such a good busines. Agenda know people will love
The Black President and put him to game of president throne...

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EspioArtwork31 [2012-04-25 16:57:51 +0000 UTC]

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andru-hewitt [2012-03-31 14:44:27 +0000 UTC]

How about instead of giving money and food to the starving children of Africa; handing the parents of Africa condoms so that they don't create kids they can't feed- it's the parents fault- If I see I'm in a terrible situation; I'm not gonna bring kids into it!
+ NOT ENOUGH , , =>KID=> => + (ME => )

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Kaiser80 [2011-09-21 01:24:55 +0000 UTC]

NO, THIS SPEAKS VOLUMES!!! GO THE FUCK BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM YA DEAD-BEATS!!! IF YA DON'T LIKE MY COUNTRY, GO THE FUCK BACK TO "MOTHER AFRIKA" STOP TRYING TO CHANGE MY COUNTRY, YA LAZY ASSED-CRACKER BASTARDS!!!-

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killerdvl [2011-09-16 04:51:17 +0000 UTC]

looks tasty

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boyace [2011-09-07 04:04:28 +0000 UTC]

thats tasteless

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Kaiser80 In reply to boyace [2011-09-21 01:27:17 +0000 UTC]

FUCK YOU YA LAZY-CRACKER-ASSED BASTARD-LIBERAL-DAMNED-DEMOCRATIC-BASTARD!!!! GO THE FUCK BACK TO AFRIK OR I'LL SEND YA TA HELL IN A NANO-SECOND!!!!!!

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Galaxy-Bear In reply to Kaiser80 [2015-10-09 15:15:23 +0000 UTC]

I'm from Africa you fuck head

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Hacker93 [2011-06-08 22:29:27 +0000 UTC]

Africa needs help. That's what we get from giving money to actors, singers and managers of stupid TV bitches. Paris Hilton's wasted money since her useless birth could have been enough to solve an african state's problems.

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esperanzaxkaren [2010-09-03 00:07:29 +0000 UTC]

Too bad Obama is not in control of Africa. The country that comes first must be one's homeland (which we pray is the country he is currently in charge of). Ones home and family must always come before strangers; after the home is secured, one must open their hearts to others.

Until America has resolved its economic problems, it will be of no help to any other country.

Lets pray first he stops destroying America, no?

`Let the bashing begin.`

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ThunderChief666 In reply to esperanzaxkaren [2010-09-14 18:00:52 +0000 UTC]

I could not have said it better myself.

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ArtisttaLove [2010-07-01 00:59:08 +0000 UTC]

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God-like-thing [2010-03-19 14:06:21 +0000 UTC]

Yes, Obama! Don't foget Havaii!

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Deborah-Valentine [2010-03-10 17:46:33 +0000 UTC]

Im glad I watch you. You are an important influence in the world.

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jammer1495 [2010-01-28 00:40:51 +0000 UTC]

Wow, very creative and full of hidden truth. Love it.

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virtuadc [2010-01-24 20:15:09 +0000 UTC]

I'm sure the people who run Obama have no interest in helping the people of africa other than to obtain the natural resources.

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zenjicomet [2009-11-27 15:49:31 +0000 UTC]

India had the good sense in the 1950s to turn down aid. You cannot develop your own agriculture if your farmers are undercut by handouts that come in the form of aid from wealthy countries.

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DaBlackX In reply to zenjicomet [2010-04-01 00:00:00 +0000 UTC]

The thing is that India wasn't screwed by Europeans for centuries like Africa was. It's not as simple as saying "Say NO to Aid" or and other cute saying.

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matthew-lane In reply to DaBlackX [2014-04-19 13:21:08 +0000 UTC]

LOL Africa wasn't screwed by Europeans, in fact many parts of Africa thrived because of European occupation, including Morocco & Egypt.

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DaBlackX In reply to matthew-lane [2014-04-21 01:30:31 +0000 UTC]

That's like saying "the Nazis weren't awful to the Jews" because they employed the "Judenrat".

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matthew-lane In reply to DaBlackX [2014-04-21 01:47:52 +0000 UTC]

Not at all: Go to Morocco you'll not see a lot of white people running things, same with Egypt..... Both actually prospered under the European occupation. It brought in much needed advancements & education which benefited the local culture to no end. Sure Egypt has regressed quite a bit (thanks to the influence of particular religions), but many parts of Africa have thrived under European influence, in ways they could NEVER have hoped to without it: Take Konza City technopolis in Kenya for instance. That would have been impossible without external backing from the western world. 

The fact is that you cannot blame the state of play of all of Africa on European Settlers: Many African countries had only minimalistic external tinkering & they still didn't turn out any better than those that did (in fact many of those that did turned out better). The fact is that you can't put the mess Africans have made of building a society in Africa on the shoulders of the hated white man, because he's not responsible for the current issues.

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DaBlackX In reply to matthew-lane [2014-04-24 06:14:59 +0000 UTC]

This wasn't even a response to what I said or the analogy that I made. Which was that being overwhelmingly evil isn't nullified by a few token examples. An "I'm not racist because I have a Black Best Friend" argument. Morocco and Egypt mainly prospered cause they're a part of and backed by the UAE.

You also mischaracterize and ignore the impacts of colonization, which prevented and still prevent African nations from being equal partners on the world stage. So while you say that it's developed "because of Europeans", it's a disingenuous half truth. Because of persistent European practices which still weaken African markets to the point that they HAVE to rely on them. In a world where the world relies on European markets it's only natural, but not as benevolent or as beneficial, as you try to make it sound. This introductory paper touches on why this a dishonest talking point, from both historical and current standpoints.

trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/viewco…

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matthew-lane In reply to DaBlackX [2014-04-24 06:56:58 +0000 UTC]

"This wasn't even a response to what I said or the analogy that I made."

Sure it was. It was a direct reply to your statement that & I quote; "The thing is that India wasn't screwed by Europeans for centuries like Africa was." My answer this demonstrated that Africa as a whole was not screwed by Europeans & in fact many parts have actually prospered under the governance of Europeans.

"Which was that being overwhelmingly evil isn't nullified by a few token examples"

LOL @ overwhelmingly evil. It has nothing to do with evil: If your go to for evil is "didn't benefit the masses" then using your own broadbrush Africa is evil & Africans are evil... After all many parts of Africa as governed by Africans has not been to the benefit of the masses. After all those warlords with there child soldiers & rampant rape culture as a weapon of war are native Africans: So either Africa & Africans are evil, or you have to admit you are making hasty generalisations.

"You also mischaracterize and ignore the impacts of colonization, which prevented and still prevent African nations from being equal partners on the world stage."

LOL no. The lack of consistent government, infrastructure & social safety nets is what makes specific parts of Africa not equals on the world stage: There's a reason why Kenya, one of the most stable governments in all of Africa is one of the fastest growing economies in the world. They've had some help from outside nations but they've done the hard yakka themselves.

"Because of persistent European practices which still weaken African markets to the point that they HAVE to rely on them"

LOL Africa doesn't have a market, only Nations have markets, there is no such nation as Africa. Many failing nations don't have markets because they lack basic infrastructure necessary to have a free market & that has nothing to do with European settlers. Just take a look at the failure of farms in South Africa.... White farmers were run off there land at the end of apartheid & taken over by black Africans & those farms failed due to a lack of knowledge & government infrastructure when the government collapsed. As shitty as Aparthied was, as the old saying about Stalin goes "He made sure the trains ran on time."

 The fact is that Africa is not a nation its many autonomous nations & quite a lot of them have prospered under the European influence.

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zenjicomet In reply to DaBlackX [2010-04-02 11:37:43 +0000 UTC]

The aid is part of the problem. Another part of the problem is internal fighting. Even those countries experiencing famine have had enough land and water to feed their own populations but the fighting has made this impossible. Food and land is used as a weapon. Most of the food we send them goes to warlords who use it to further strengthen their position. This is a pattern we see over and over again throughout the world (and history). It will only end when Africans put an end to it.

As to your claim about India, I think most Indians would beg to differ. Africa is still a mess because of Africans (warlord Africans, in particular).

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DaBlackX In reply to zenjicomet [2010-04-02 21:19:56 +0000 UTC]

Yes, the corrupt leaders are a MAJOR problem. But cutting off aid would only cause MORE unrest and fighting since that's even less resources they have. As for who had it worse, it's debatable. Africa is a continent made up of more than 50 countries, where ALL blacks (who speak different languages and have different cultures) are from. Middle Eastern people are from more than India, as India is only one country.

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zenjicomet In reply to DaBlackX [2010-04-03 17:42:00 +0000 UTC]

There is no country in Africa incapable of feeding itself. It's corruption that keeps it from happening. To continue to provide so-called "aid" is only to subsidize the warlords (they get to take what they want and we pick up the slack). It is easier for people to take the aid than to stand up and overthrow the warlords. Unfortunately for them, things will never get better until they do free themselves from the tyrants. They will only do this when the "aid" ends.

I don't know why you're making an apparently pointless distinction between India and other middle eastern people. But, since it seems to interest you, India is a sub-continent and included many nations that spoke many languages. It was the British that combined it all into one country and gave them a legal code in one language (English). Hindi in now the dominant language in national politics (still English for law) but the regions still speak a wide variety of languages. India has made it as a nation with a wide diversity of religions, languages, and cultures. They've done it largely on their own. They said no to crippling handouts. They built up the rule of law to a point where foreign investors would feel secure in establishing factories in the country. This led to the creation of a growing middle class that is now increasingly able to support the home industry. India is moving forward because they had the courage to stand on their own. They faced the possibility of failure and used it as a way of promoting hard work, planning, self-sufficiency. India was not much more advanced than many African nations but while those African nations have languished, India has risen to significance in the world. India will be a major player in the 21st century. Sadly, I can't think of a single African nation that inspires any hope at the present. South Africa is probably the most likely to make a go of it but even there we find disorder and governmental incompetence that works against their chances of success. In most African countries we see things getting noticeably worse (see Zimbabwe, for example). I have no doubt that the African people could be successful in this century but they will need to overthrow the warlords, replace them with stable governments that respect the rule of law, and once they've shown that they can offer a stable and low violence environment they should follow the lead of China and India and work to entice foreign investors with manufacturing opportunities.

As an aside, are you not aware that their are black people who are native to both India and Australia? You go out of your way to make a point about where "ALL blacks" are from in your last post so I just thought I'd ask.

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DaBlackX In reply to zenjicomet [2010-04-03 21:05:22 +0000 UTC]

You do realize that South Africa isn't the only country in Africa that's working to recover. I don't appreciate you trying to paint Africa as some lazy nation, just because you watch the Negative Black Sensationalism that's popular in American media.

Start watching international news, as there are other countries such as Gabon which has one of the highest per capita incomes in the continent. Aother countries that are coming up are Botswana, Ghana, Angola,and Nigeria (despite the stereotype that they're all scammers).

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Another thing Africa needs to do is kick out the greedy Indian diamond miners who only use Africans as horrible wage slaves while exporting the billions dollars worth of diamonds to their country while putting NOTHING back into Africa.

As for my last point about the location of blacks. I thought it would have been obvious given the context that I was talking about blacks from that time period. Not the blacks of today.

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zenjicomet In reply to DaBlackX [2010-04-04 15:43:03 +0000 UTC]

There are native blacks in Australia and India. Native means that they are not recent immigrants from Africa. They have been there for at least tens of thousands of years.

I'm not painting Africans as lazy. I never said anything like that. Either you are delusional or incompetent.

You say that African nations are coming up? I suppose they are coming up in some places, albeit very very slowly and with many reversals. It's hard not to improve once they've hit the apparent bottom. My point is still that they need to be independent, less inclined toward begging for handouts from foreign nations. They will not gain respect, not even self-respect, until they can stand as independent nations without need of "aid".

You seem content to make excuses for Africans. I hope for more from them than excuses. They are capable of much more and I hope they succeed at raising themselves up.

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DaBlackX In reply to zenjicomet [2010-04-04 18:14:55 +0000 UTC]

First of all, it didn't take you NEARLY as long as I though it would for you to resort to childish insults.

Second, I gave you specific examples of African countries that are coming up and doing well, and you still try to downplay their achievements. (The 2nd and 3rd sentences of your 3rd paragraph) You seem to be content with painting Africans negatively no matter what they do and say that whatever they do, there's always some problem with it. It's easy for a person who's lived in decent conditions all their life to feel over opinionated and dictate/come up with cute, hypothetical theory's that sound good on paper when it comes to providing a scenario for other countries. Especially when it comes to how they should operate.

Btw, who are YOU to say that Africans don't respect themselves? As a native African I can tell you that you have NO idea how our continent works. Africans by and large are a very proud people. Don't think you know SQUAT about us or our mentality, just because some white news reporter did a biased, negative, segment on Africa and you saw a few choice pictures. If I was adamant on making excuses for Africans then I wouldn't have even listed any up and coming countries at all.

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zenjicomet In reply to DaBlackX [2010-04-05 18:57:38 +0000 UTC]

I stand by my appraisal of you. You cannot expect to be seen as sensible if you respond to claims that were never made. You're making a straw man argument; this is a logical fallacy.

What makes you think you know my background? How ridiculous are you?

That these countries have shown marginal improvement is good but to act as if they are truly advanced is silly. Do we see people from Europe, America, or any advanced nations struggling to get into these countries. No, we see people from those countries doing their best to get out and into Europe or America (most Asian nations won't allow them to emigrate).

I say that any population that allows itself to be pushed around by a small minority of warlords lacks self-respect. If the majority wanted to free themselves of warlords they could do it. Just look at the people of the former Soviet Union. Once they decided to reject communism and stand up for themselves, they were free. The fall of the Berlin Wall is the symbol of a population that had finally had enough and took action. They outnumbered their oppressors and so there was nothing that could stop them. When are we going to see this happen in African nations? I see too many people begging for handouts when they should be standing up for themselves so they won't need to beg. No one can make a life of begging and claim to have self-respect. How can a nation devote itself to begging decade after decade and have any self-respect. I'm not saying they are bad people. I'm saying that they have not yet reached the point where they are willing to make their own future.

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DaBlackX In reply to zenjicomet [2010-04-05 22:03:19 +0000 UTC]

There was no strawman being constructed, because I still addressed your points. Where did I say that African nations were "advanced"? I never used that word ONCE. I said "up and coming". There a big difference. Once again, you're comparing Africa to a European country (Germany) that was not in NEARLY as a bad a state of disarray as Africa. Sure Germany had it bad, but to compare the two is pretty disingenuous. That seems to be the entire basis of your argument. There are different degrees of "bad" that you seem to be overlooking.

As for your immigration theory. You try to act like Africans by and large are leaving the continent in droves, or if they could they would. That's just more baseless speculation. If so many people (as your tried to hint) didn't want to be in Africa then there wouldn't be so many who are trying to restore the continent from within; and there wouldn't be nations who are in the rapidly recovering state that they're in NOW.

Why is is that those who have never known suffering (I know you'll say you have) like to play the "Suffering Olympics" and judge those who are? Who are YOU to judge other people's situations when you don't live it? Just because you can simplify a bad situation from the comfort and safety of your own country, it doesn't mean that it IS simple.

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zenjicomet In reply to DaBlackX [2010-04-05 22:27:42 +0000 UTC]

You either seem to be ignorant as to what a straw man argument is or you are intentionally deflecting. Either way, it makes you look silly.

The people of East Germany are no different than the people of many other nations. The difference is in their actions. They chose, at long last, to resist their totalitarian rulers and so that rule ended. Those who hold dictatorial power are, by definition, in the extreme minority. Once the majority decides to overthrow that rule it is inevitable. Once the people of many African nations decide to stand up for themselves and resist tyranny it will end. They are apparently not yet at that point.

By the way, most of these African nations have been free of colonial rulers for longer than 65 years. 65 years ago Germany was a ruin. The population had just been through the worst war in history and their cities and towns were bombed out ruins. In only a few short years they rebuilt their civilization, established a working democracy, and developed a sound economy. Now, Germany is one of the world leaders. Most African nations have had far longer to build themselves up and they've had far more in aid but have they progressed. No, not really. Maybe in small ways, as you point out, but compare Germany in 1945 and any African nation in 1945. Germany was in far worse condition. Still, they got serious and worked for their future. Few Africans seem inclined to work for their own future in the way that Germans have (or just East Germans since 1989).

The same argument could be made for Vietnam, China, Japan, North Korea, Russia, Italy, England, Greece, and many other nations. All of these nations were devastated by war but all of them have built themselves up. I want African nations to do the same thing. I think that they are capable of it. I regret that they don't seem to be focused on this goal.

It may be that those who want a better future (or many of them) leave and emigrate to Europe or America. I don't blame those who want a better future for seeking it elsewhere. I simply regret that those countries have remained in such a horrible state for so long. I wish the people of those countries would oppose the dictators. I wish they would develop a functioning civil society where business could flourish. I wish them all the best but no one else can do it for them. They will make a future for themselves or they will spend yet another generation looking backward and living on handouts from other nations.

You seem to be too slow to realize that I want what you want. I want a better future for African nations. I'm simply saying that they have to want it for themselves and work to make it a reality. They will not get it by begging for handouts one generation after another. You seem very much to want to argue about who has experienced more suffering. I have not engaged in this because it is silly and pointless. Should we also compare who has the best favorite color? None of these side discussions go anywhere. You say you are African so I continue to talk with you about African issues in the hope that you will work for the betterment of your birth country. I don't continue this discussion just to get one over on you.

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DaBlackX In reply to zenjicomet [2010-04-06 00:17:07 +0000 UTC]

And he still continues with the childish insults... You seem to have a problem with civility when it comes to discussions. The problem is that you're looking at Africa as a country that has a similar culture and languages, so you assume it must be easy because other countries were able to communicate and work together.

Africa is NOT a country like Germany and India. It's a continent that's made up of several individual countries. Each with completely different cultures and languages. This is not an excuse, (because I know you'll say that) it's another factor as to why the recovery of Africa is taking long. The reason all those other places you listed were smaller knit and didn't have to worry about being different from their neighbors.

But I'm done with you. You seem to be too insulting and set in your ways to have a mature and rational discussion with.

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zenjicomet In reply to DaBlackX [2010-04-06 01:06:21 +0000 UTC]

The same is true of India and China. If you were more of a realist, you'd realize that. Unfortunately, you're clearly an apologist for incompetence. You seem to be preoccupied with some myth of Africa. Maybe this is what's holding back so much of Africa.

You need to stop working on excuses. Perhaps you feel guilty at fleeing your homeland rather than staying to be of some help at building a better future?

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DaBlackX In reply to zenjicomet [2010-04-06 01:59:53 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for proving my point on lacking the ability to be civil in a mature discussion. Your emotions are far too "out of whack" to be talking about a topic such as this. Try to prolong your insults when you talk to someone. You'll sound more like an adult in the long run.

Guilty? About what? For your information, I go back and forth to Africa regularly because I'm a member of an African Archeological team that is working on uncovering ancient African civilizations and achievements that the west tries to deny/hide.

That was one massive assumption you made. Do I need to recite the well known saying about them for you? But seeing as your resorting to insults now, it's apparent that you "have nothing left" in this discussion. Good day.

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DaBlackX In reply to DaBlackX [2010-04-07 21:39:17 +0000 UTC]

Your question WAS an assumption. It wasn't a full fledged CONCLUSION, but it was indeed an assumption. (Here's a hint: Assumptions can be questions too...) If you're going to try to get into a semantics argument with someone at least make sure you know the actual definitions of words first. Utilizing a dictionary first, is a good idea.

If I felt that African nations weren't capable of thriving then I wouldn't have given you examples of nations that are recovering. The problem with you is that if the entire continent of Africa doesn't recover as fast as India and China; mere countries that "as a whole" aren't thriving like European ones, then it's some how not good enough for YOU (as if you actually matter). You still can't wrap your head around the fact that Africa is made up of countries that are completely different than the next (culture and language wise), which is one factor for why the continent as a whole is slowly developing. You keep ignoring this. The only reason I shared my occupation is because you resorted to hyperbole and tried to pass it off as a relevant point. Just like you did now when you resorted sarcasm about me and my supposed "conspiracy theories" that are related meetings in dark rooms, Yeti, leprechauns, and Atlantis.

That was a nice attempt to save face by calling me "too entertaining to abandon" btw. If you knew anything about the West you'd know about their history with trying to re-write and claim African achievements. The stone city of Great Zimbabwe is but one example. But I'm not your history teacher. But now we're getting too off topic and you are simply dragging on this discussion in the hopes that you will "get me" on some minuscule point that has no real bearing on this topic. Basically you're arguing for the sake of arguing because you have no real purpose and no real argument. For someone who is supposedly "rooting" for Africa you sure go about it a funny way. Which leads me to believe that you're not as sincere as you try to appear.

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zenjicomet In reply to DaBlackX [2010-04-07 17:29:07 +0000 UTC]

I didn't make any assumptions. I asked a question. You seem to be awfully defensive. Being so defensive is usually a sign of feeling guilty (though I'm sure you're only so defensive in order to show how in whack your emotions are and how civilized you are).

I can't think of anything I've said that might be perceived by a reasonable person as anything other than civil. I've been incredibly patient with you despite your constant attempts to turn our conversation into something personal (who suffers more, etc.), as if I'm supposed to be interested in you personally. I've stuck to real issues while you've done your best to dance around the issue. The best you can come up with is to insist that African nations are somehow less able than India and China to overcome their sorry state. Somehow one hundred years isn't long enough for African nations to accomplish what India and China have accomplished in less than half that time. You don't explain it, you merely insist. Now you appear to have resorted to some sort of conspiracy theory about the West hiding the achievements of African civilizations (information that you claim to have even though you acknowledge that you are still working to uncover the proof). I'm interested to know more about these conspirators. Do they meet in dark rooms to craft their plans? Do they also hide evidence of Atlantis? What about the underground world of the Yetis? I bet they're also behind those terrible lies about leprechauns hiding gold and stealing breakfast cereal from children. Do you also believe that Jews secretly control the world? Like those evil Indians that you claimed are stealing all those diamonds from Africa? I guess the idea is to blame enough people that Africans can put off actually doing anything for themselves to better their own countries. As I said, I'm not really that interested in knowing all about your personal beliefs and digging hobbies. I just find it funny that you feel the the need to share such silliness.

I know this discussion isn't going anywhere productive but you're just too entertaining to abandon. Please, tell us all about these conspiracies to hide the achievements of African civilizations (something you'll be able to prove just as soon as you "uncover" the evidence). Why are these "achievements" all in the "ancient" past? Are Africans no longer capable of such "achievements"? If they are still capable, where is the evidence of it?

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afz902k [2009-09-14 21:26:27 +0000 UTC]

I really don't think Africa's wellbeing is America's business. Just saying.

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sonrouge [2009-08-29 22:21:45 +0000 UTC]

America first, Africa when it's worth our time and money. Frankly, our generosity has been one of the things that led to our current economic problem, generosity which, I might add, doesn't seem to get us much appreciation, but produces plenty of leeches.

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sonrouge In reply to sonrouge [2009-08-29 22:22:50 +0000 UTC]

I'd further like to point out that Africa's troubles were caused by its own people, and thus it is their responsiblity to repair the damage, not ours.

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THT3000 In reply to sonrouge [2010-01-05 23:47:34 +0000 UTC]

Also: If I'm going to use your logic:

A LOT of Africa's problems come from the iperialism of the western countries.

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sonrouge In reply to THT3000 [2010-01-05 23:56:59 +0000 UTC]

Maybe, but America wasn't one of them. Also, India was colonized by the British, yet they don't have half the problems Africa does, so "western imperialism" doesn't seem to be a logical scapegoat.

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THT3000 In reply to sonrouge [2010-01-06 00:02:52 +0000 UTC]

India wasn't randomly spliced up and handed to the rich countries for shits and giggles.

The people living in Africa today have are no more guilty of their situation than you.

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sonrouge In reply to THT3000 [2010-01-06 15:34:41 +0000 UTC]

Maybe not, but they still managed to get back on their own feet by their own ability.

Even if that were true, the difference is it's not my country.

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DaBlackX In reply to sonrouge [2010-04-01 00:02:25 +0000 UTC]

They managed to do so because they weren't screwed NEARLY as badly as Africa was.
It's not a hard concept to grasp...

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