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Description This was supposed to be a quick sketch dump for yesterday, but I spent way, way too much time with the Brewing Trouble cast

I'll likely make a full pic once I fully decide on some of the myths (not happy about China in particular) 
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jhelisapoh [2014-08-21 13:31:36 +0000 UTC]

I love how you draw them as animals!
There's rarely people drawing characters as animals
Can you draw one for the Asian countries and nordics?;w;

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Birvan In reply to jhelisapoh [2014-08-21 13:44:43 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, most people tend to stick with cats and dogs (and occasionally horses)

I intend to draw them as myth creatures as well, but I still haven't found the right matches > >

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jhelisapoh In reply to Birvan [2014-08-22 01:59:06 +0000 UTC]

I see
I did some designs for the asians,and its kinda weird because I mixed a few mythical creatures for one character XD
And I saw someone did some designs for the nordics www.pixiv.net/member_illust.ph… www.pixiv.net/member_illust.ph…
The artist's page here www.pixiv.net/member_illust.ph…
The artist also did others as well ^^

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Birvan In reply to jhelisapoh [2014-08-22 14:22:39 +0000 UTC]

I want to avoid mixed creatures as much as possible. I've already stretched the rules with Russia

I've just posted 2 for the nordics. Now to hunt down more XD

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jhelisapoh In reply to Birvan [2014-08-23 02:22:52 +0000 UTC]

Hunt all of the nordicssssss XD
keep up the good work pal!

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Birvan In reply to jhelisapoh [2014-08-23 08:20:01 +0000 UTC]

Will do >3

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jhelisapoh In reply to Birvan [2014-08-23 09:38:09 +0000 UTC]

XD

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Silent--Songbird [2014-07-11 14:06:58 +0000 UTC]

Whoa, this looks amazing! 

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Birvan In reply to Silent--Songbird [2014-07-11 14:17:58 +0000 UTC]

What exactly? The mustaches?

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PurplePolkadots54 [2014-07-11 02:32:57 +0000 UTC]

I mustache you a question.
But I guess I can shave it for later.
I'm sorry I had to XD

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Birvan In reply to PurplePolkadots54 [2014-07-11 13:09:01 +0000 UTC]

LOL, good one XD

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PurplePolkadots54 In reply to Birvan [2014-07-11 17:06:37 +0000 UTC]

Ehehee XD

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I-AM-M-O-I [2014-06-30 15:54:42 +0000 UTC]

OMG i can get over those mustaches XDD and the fantasy thing looks mega cool!!

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Birvan In reply to I-AM-M-O-I [2014-06-30 16:03:41 +0000 UTC]

Everyone loves epic mustaches >3

Thanks, it's a story I'm working on

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I-AM-M-O-I In reply to Birvan [2014-07-09 17:43:09 +0000 UTC]

yes. you would be crazy not to. XDDD

OOOO ya gona upload it?? its sounds cool!

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Birvan In reply to I-AM-M-O-I [2014-07-09 19:41:53 +0000 UTC]

Most of the artwork I've been doing lately is in preparation for it >D

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I-AM-M-O-I In reply to Birvan [2014-07-10 10:29:38 +0000 UTC]

i hadn't watched you yet so i hadn't seen but now that iv seen all your art for it....IM EVEN MORE EXCITED *w*

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Birvan In reply to I-AM-M-O-I [2014-07-10 11:32:26 +0000 UTC]

XDD

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I-AM-M-O-I In reply to Birvan [2014-07-11 19:02:01 +0000 UTC]

LOL

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GuloBorealis [2014-06-29 23:24:38 +0000 UTC]

Have you chosen a myth form for America? I have a few suggestions.

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Birvan In reply to GuloBorealis [2014-06-30 00:21:51 +0000 UTC]

He became a Mochi by popular vote (later explained as a freak reaction from eating too many of England's scones)

Still I'd love to hear the suggestions

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GuloBorealis In reply to Birvan [2014-06-30 23:10:44 +0000 UTC]

Nice!  You could also turn him into a Jersey devil or Piasa dragon.
I plan on drawing him as a piasa anyway, so its ok if you decide to keep him as a Mochi. I wanted to take the more native american mythology route. He's actually really cute as a Mochi!

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Birvan In reply to GuloBorealis [2014-06-30 23:57:47 +0000 UTC]

Personally I refuse to use anything native american for him. He's not part of that culture (I used that same criteria for Australia)

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GuloBorealis In reply to Birvan [2014-07-02 09:43:05 +0000 UTC]

Well the jersey devil isn't native american.

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Birvan In reply to GuloBorealis [2014-07-02 09:48:12 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, but I never found that one particularly appealing. But that's my personal taste

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GuloBorealis In reply to Birvan [2014-07-02 10:48:55 +0000 UTC]

s'ok.

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Mr-Asquith [2014-06-29 17:03:48 +0000 UTC]

Okay, those mustaches (for good reason) are getting lots of positive attention.

On the note of the Brewing Trouble Cast, I challenged myself to try and identify all of them. Out of the 22 I think (counting both halves of Russia as one), I could only identify 16:
Canada, Spain, Romano, Greece, France, The Italy Brothers, Russia, America, England, Japan, Germany, Prussia, and what I'm fairly sure are Australia, Portugal and Estonia. A little hunch tells me that the horned creature in front of the small-unicorn-like creature is China as a Qilin, but I really have no idea. The others, I could continue to venture guesses, but I'll spare myself the embarrassment.



Regardless, I really can appreciate the time and work that went into the composition. And all these sketches in general.

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Birvan In reply to Mr-Asquith [2014-06-29 17:15:25 +0000 UTC]

Of course, Hungary is out-manly-ing everyone else in the room >D

You've missed a few: Latvia, China, Hungary, Turkey, Scotland, Lithuania and Austria. But that was a pretty good guess

China is actually the bird perched on walkingTree!Estonia, a Fenghuang. The unicorn is Scotland (he has thick eyebrows like England). But like I said I'm not completely sure what to pick for China. I can't seem to find a good match (and I want to avoid using the chinese dragon)

And to think all I wanted to doodle was the Bad Myth Trio

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Mr-Asquith In reply to Birvan [2014-06-29 20:53:35 +0000 UTC]

Ah, okay, I think I've ID'd them all- I think.

Chinese Myth is way out of my area of familiarity, but I wish you the best of luck; I have a feeling you're far better prepared for making that decision than I would be.

Well, I'm glad I got to see them all. Even if it was more than you bargained for.

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Birvan In reply to Mr-Asquith [2014-06-29 21:04:13 +0000 UTC]

Honestly I'm not much better at it too. I don't understand China very well to begin with > >

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Mr-Asquith In reply to Birvan [2014-06-29 22:37:51 +0000 UTC]

Well, here I am throwing ideas out there again, but I did a little (and I mean a little) digging in a particular Wikipedia article. Now, while Wikipedia is by no means a scholarly resource, it does offer fair breadth and a variety of leads for deeper research. One that jumped out at me in particular - that I hadn't heard of at least - was the Xiezhi; no, I don't know how I should pronounce that, but the idea behind it was interesting, and I sometimes got the vibe that China wanted to play peacekeeping older brother with his siblings, so it had an endearing quality for me; I don't know if you'd want to use it and how you'd modify it if you did, but here's a link so you can read more about it for yourself.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiezhi

And maybe you've checked this one out already, but I'll provide the link just in case:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_…

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Birvan In reply to Mr-Asquith [2014-06-30 12:27:34 +0000 UTC]

While the idea is interesting, I'm not completely sure about the Xiezhi. It's more about truth and justice than protection 

The idea of a protective creature isn't bad however. From what I've been reading China puts a lot of emphasis on righteousness, longevity, balance (yin-yang), etc so something like a Foo Dog (this one could lead to particularly amusing results if we used his lion-dog breeds as reference) or a Bixi would fit. Maybe the Jin Chan and Pixiu as well
But then we also have other interesting creatures like the Fenghuang (the female opposite of the dragon, who China identifies as his ancestor), the Nian (the creature behind China's famous lion dance), the Dragon Turtle (a physical embodiment of several things China loves), the Sanwuzu (and extremely old myth that definitely fits well with China's age) or the Xing Tian (just completely freaky)

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Mr-Asquith In reply to Birvan [2014-06-30 19:20:39 +0000 UTC]

I agree, truth is key to the representation, I think my problem was that I was overemphasizing the role of intervention in my comment.

The Foo Dog is interesting (though I would have to work my brain around a certain old-ish Disney Channel Cartoon to take it more seriously. I looked into Wikipedia's exploration of the breed topic, and I got this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_Dog_…

Apparently it's more of a category than a single breed. Pug sort of took me by surprise. *shakes head sadly at the thought of a certain family pet* But yes, it could be intriguing to use any of those breeds as a base, though there's room for fitting in the more mythological traits, of course. The Bixi, Jin Chan and Pixiu are interesting, though I think I saw a pattern of emphasis on wealth (and granted also a pattern of warding off evil) - it would be interesting to see the effect of that on group dynamics, seeing as a Matagot is also considered a "money cat" in some circles. The Fenghuang, which if I recall correctly was your idea expressed here in the drawing, is definitely an interesting proposal, offering the counterpart to the dragon you were trying to avoid; the Nian is interesting, though (and yes this is only from one source, but) the fear of the color red might be an issue and the lion dance would be more indicative of protection than the Nian itself. The Dragon Turtle is different from the Bixi, I presume, since the Bixi was shown to have a stronger application toward funerary decoration such as steles, and the Dragon Turtle finds itself used in Feng Shui. The Sanwuzu is definitely interesting, a 3-legged crow if I'm thinking of the same one, and also alternatively known as a sun-raven for its role in traveling with the sun each day. The Xing Tian however, yeah, just freaky.

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Birvan In reply to Mr-Asquith [2014-06-30 23:49:43 +0000 UTC]

I've been doodling the creatures since my last reply. I'll post it in a sec 

I actually knew about it. Personally I think the longer hair breeds are a closer fit (though a mini-Foo Dog China would be hilarious)
Yeah, those were a bit of a stretch. I'm pending more towards the Bixi because I can easily imagine China getting an urge to look for a pillar (or something equally heavy) to support on his back and trying to dig one of the foundations of the manor to take it's place
Outside of being a bane to snakes, the Fenghuang shares a common problem with the dragon, quilin, etc. It's too overly good and powerful =/
Yeah, the Nian would likely be an antagonist creature and turn China into a danger for others. It would go a bit against his character, but given the context it would make sense
Outside of Feng Shui the Dragon Turtle doesn't seem to have much to work with > >
My main question with the Sanwuzu is if he'd shine everything like the sun, or that would only happen while with the chariot. Either way he'd generate a lot of heat and scorch everything, which might be counter productive
Yeah it's freaky but at he same time very funny. I can easily imagine him scaring the hell out of everyone, even Shadow Russia, as he goes on a major rage fit against everyone

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Mr-Asquith In reply to Birvan [2014-07-01 02:45:51 +0000 UTC]

I took a look at all the renditions, and they're all equally awesome in my opinion, you've got your work cut out for you making a choice. I have to say, one person commented in favour of the Nian, and the design is especially fearsome. While it could be problematic, it might be fun to consider the way it affects China's role in the story if he's trying to keep anything in check. I can't say which I really like best though, best of luck, and I'm sure whichever you choose, China will be epic.

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Birvan In reply to Mr-Asquith [2014-07-02 10:27:06 +0000 UTC]

Jamew also pointed out several myths, and the Shen (clam monster) and the Baku stood out
You're definitely right when you say this is going to be a tough choice to make

I think it would be easier to define the roles of the other characters and see what type of gap China can fill in

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Mr-Asquith In reply to Birvan [2014-07-02 17:51:10 +0000 UTC]

Ah, cool, that would be interesting.

And that sounds like a good plan; just out of curiosity: how much have you already cemented for character roles?

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Birvan In reply to Mr-Asquith [2014-07-02 21:38:25 +0000 UTC]

Only the main cast really. And a couple of others

I really need to put all down in writing

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RosieBees [2014-06-29 15:13:13 +0000 UTC]

Hungary and Austria
HUNGARY AND AUSTRIA

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Birvan In reply to RosieBees [2014-06-29 16:22:34 +0000 UTC]

She'd out-manly him any time of the day

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RosieBees In reply to Birvan [2014-06-29 17:16:11 +0000 UTC]

I know

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Sea-Salt-Child [2014-06-29 15:01:28 +0000 UTC]

Gotta love Kappa!Japan XD and mustaches.Always love the mustaches *U*

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Birvan In reply to Sea-Salt-Child [2014-06-29 16:21:49 +0000 UTC]

Mustaches are awesome >D

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PuffinPixel [2014-06-29 14:56:00 +0000 UTC]

omg the mustaches!
This looks so cute!

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Birvan In reply to PuffinPixel [2014-06-29 16:21:34 +0000 UTC]

Thanks. I had way too much fun with it

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PuffinPixel In reply to Birvan [2014-06-29 16:42:47 +0000 UTC]

well, that's only positive XD results from fun, after all!

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Birvan In reply to PuffinPixel [2014-06-29 16:46:23 +0000 UTC]

True

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