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BlameThe1st [2013-01-23 00:38:14 +0000 UTC]
Voluntary trade and labor is always the best method. The only ones who disagree are those who believe in force, coercion, and slavery.
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sonrouge [2013-01-22 23:59:33 +0000 UTC]
How about your people spend less time demanding handouts because of their race and more time being productive and conducting value for value trades, Mr King? That would go a long way to them acquiring wealth.
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Garveate In reply to sonrouge [2013-01-23 19:11:44 +0000 UTC]
βYour peopleβ do you mean middle aged psychology professors like me, Army Veterans like my dad, speech pathologist like my older sister, college program directors like my younger sister or maybe the masters students like my brother. The only handouts we typically receive are given out in meetings or class preferably three whole punched and stapled in the right hand corner. I feel we are very productive in conducting value for value trades as you put it. We only demand what we have earned.
You probably mean the hordes of fictional black people you hear about on FOX News and perhaps when you talk to your family and friends. The masses of people you feel are hoarding all of our countries resources.
Here is the truth. More white people receive governmental assistance than black people. Large handouts are given to corporations in subsidies and just recently we gave the banks a handout in the form of the bailouts. Since the Regan administrations blacks have been stereotyped as the only demographic that receives government assistance.
I am sorry you feel the way you do and I know my words will not change you perception one iota. Ultimately my people are the ones that hold similar values and beliefs to the ones I hold. Working hard for what we get is part of that belief system.
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sonrouge In reply to Garveate [2013-01-23 22:48:45 +0000 UTC]
Oh, and white people don't get to say "You don't like the president because he's white".
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sonrouge In reply to Garveate [2013-01-23 22:00:51 +0000 UTC]
White people don't get affirmative action, white people can't bring everyone from the federal government on down running by crying "Racism!", white people can't say "I'm proud to be white" without being accused of racism, and the KKK never got away with putting a bounty on a black accused of murder.
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Garveate [2013-01-22 22:02:42 +0000 UTC]
The irony is that Dr. King would have told me to turn the other cheek to your insensitive ignorant comments. Unfortunately he is not here right now (He was shoot fighting for equality).
This isnβt about whores, lies, white women or communism. Black people were being denied rights in this country. This is about a man leading a group of people to democratic inclusion. This is about the dogs, the fire hoses and the lynchingβs.
I think your argument stems from a deep resentment. I feel a little sorry for you. You have the audacity to attack a man of peace and one of the founders of a movement for modified equality in America on his Birthday. You picked the wrong day for your two brain cells to find each other and start rubbing together. If your thirst for knowledge matched your appetite for hate you would have never made this idiotic this post. You can assassinate the character of MLK till your little heart is content. But the truth is that his legacy is written in granite on a memorial in Washington. He will be long remembered for the good he has done. My memory of you and your ignorant post will dissipate shortly after I sit down to dinner with my family.
Dr. King is celebrated because he is the main reason my children can even go to an integrated school. He is a major part of the reason my family could even reach half the level of prosperity we have achieved today. Not to mention he led the way for our current president (I have a strong feeling you dislike him as well). We celebrate Martin Luther King as a hero because he made the ultimate sacrifice for equality and freedom in this country. That is what a hero does. They sacrifice their lives in the service of a cause they believe to be greater than themselves.
To be quite honest with you, many young African Americans were considering socialism as an alternative to democracy during the civil rights movement. The reason for this is that democracy was not working out that well for us. We were not treated as equal citizens in any sense of the word. We were limited socially, professionally and economically. In extreme cases such as in the south we were being threatened, beaten and yes killed in the pursuit of equality. Socialism had a message of inclusion and equality. In their day to day lives black America saw no inclusion or equality. Forign countries treated us far better than our place of birth. We were living in a government legislated caste system.
Dr. King was the person who believed in making the American democratic system work for us. He is also the reason the civil rights movement was not an all-out race war. He believed in America, he believed in true democracy and he believed in nonviolence. At the end of the day the rights that allowed him to fight for my freedom allow you to post nonsense.
Thank you Dr. King Rest in Peace
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sonrouge In reply to Garveate [2013-01-22 23:58:24 +0000 UTC]
Wanting discrimination in favor of blacks is no different than wanting discrimination against them.
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Garveate In reply to sonrouge [2013-01-23 18:27:54 +0000 UTC]
This is a true statement in the proper context,
However, when there is an imbalance such as in the 60βs and to a lesser extent today people try to reach equilibrium. In this case of Dr. King reaching equilibrium meant integration of institutions shared protection under the law, and the most important change of all the right to vote. Dr. King was not on a mission to garner favorable discrimination for black people. He was trying to lessen the negative discrimination so that we could have the same rights and opportunity afforded to our white brothers and sisters at birth as Americans.
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sonrouge In reply to Garveate [2013-01-23 22:07:26 +0000 UTC]
"If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas."
from a 1968 Playboy magazine interview
"The white liberal must affirm that absolute justice for the Negro simply means, in the Aristotelian sense, that the Negro must have βhis due.β There is nothing abstract about this. It is as concrete as having a good job, a good education, a decent house and a share of power. It is, however, important to understand that giving a man his due may often mean giving him special treatment. I am aware of the fact that this has been a troublesome concept for many liberals, since it conflicts with their traditional ideal of equal opportunity and equal treatment of people according to their individual merits. But this is a day which demands new thinking and the reevaluation of old concepts. A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, in order to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis."
Bull.
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BullMoose1912 In reply to Garveate [2013-01-22 22:15:13 +0000 UTC]
Considering that you faved this are you directing this toward me or Hindenberg75?
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Garveate In reply to BullMoose1912 [2013-01-23 16:43:47 +0000 UTC]
Toward Hindenberg75, sorry for the mix up I thank you for the poster
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BullMoose1912 In reply to Garveate [2013-01-23 18:46:32 +0000 UTC]
It's fine. But I'm sure he's heard all of these arguments before anyway. Hence, a fascist on DA made "Antifa Bingo" [link]
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Garveate In reply to BullMoose1912 [2013-01-23 19:25:47 +0000 UTC]
Saw the link your right, wow
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BullMoose1912 In reply to Garveate [2013-01-23 20:20:34 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, apparently there's a significantly sized fascist community on DA, though they don't seem to generally associate with the rest of the political community on this site, seemingly just keeping to themselves for the most part.
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katiejo911 [2013-01-22 18:58:12 +0000 UTC]
Geez, tell us how you really feel
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EternalGeekExposed [2013-01-22 15:42:57 +0000 UTC]
Great less-known quote. Thanks for posting!
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hindenberg75 [2013-01-22 09:23:17 +0000 UTC]
MLK was a liar, hypocrite, fraud, and overall scum...I mean this peice of shit was a supporter of communism in America, and that's why he says 'socialism' in this quote...not to mention that he only wanted 'diversity' so he could openly screw white women, instead of having to always buy the company of prostitutes.
I truly don't understand how this man can be celebrated and told to school children as a hero, when he was such a shit person. I guess that's America for you
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majicfrog In reply to hindenberg75 [2013-01-22 20:59:09 +0000 UTC]
You are a communist, that's why you said "socialism" in your reply. That doesn't make much sense, does it?
He said "Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism" implying that he doesn't really care what you call it because regardless it's necessary. You could argue that the particular form of wealth distribution he advocated was outright communistic in nature, but you'd need more evidence given the vagueness of the quote.
Also, please provide any evidence (whatsoever, really) before you go around defaming people.
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hindenberg75 In reply to majicfrog [2013-01-23 03:52:23 +0000 UTC]
Actually, I'm not defaming anybody. Instead, I'm pointing out well known facts which are often downplayed and ignored by school books and the mainstream media.
Reference the following if you don't understand
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Sheesh, I wish people like you would stop trying to fight the truth and just let it be seen and heard!
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majicfrog In reply to hindenberg75 [2013-01-23 21:02:54 +0000 UTC]
Yes, now, do you have any credible sources?
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hindenberg75 In reply to majicfrog [2013-01-25 09:30:51 +0000 UTC]
Ok so are you seriously going to deny that the guy plagiarized everything? He even copied his I have a dream speech. Look it up ignorant little sheep.
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majicfrog In reply to hindenberg75 [2013-01-25 21:17:35 +0000 UTC]
Fact: insulting or trolling people you are arguing with causes anything you say to bypass the rational part of their brains and go directly to the emotional section, hardening them to any influence you might have had. By insulting me, you guarantee that I do not pay attention to your argument and simply close my mind to anything you might have been trying to get across.
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I myself being aware of this phenomenon am probably slightly less susceptible to it. Here's info: [link] So... no, he didn't "plagiarize everything." He did seriously plagiarize some academic papers, though. The speech... some of the ending was very similar, but not copied, and the rest wasn't plagiarized. Both King's and Carey's speech quoted the song "My Country 'tis of thee," which in neither case is plagiarism but an obvious allusion. You can't exactly plagiarize someone by alluding/quoting the same song.
Overall, cheating on a few papers in college and borrowing ideas from another pastor in one particular famous speech proves that he was imperfect, as all humans are. That doesn't counter all the good he did for Civil Rights, though.
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hindenberg75 In reply to majicfrog [2013-01-25 21:34:35 +0000 UTC]
Ok then please do explain why the FBI and house of un-American activities were surveying MLK all the way until his death? I mean the part of his obsession whith white prostitutes is probable but unconfirmed, whilst there is proof that he was being monitered by the FBI and HUAC, on suspicion of being a communist.
And honestly that slime did nothing without the help of the Kennedy's since no one at that time really gave a shit what blacks had 'dreams' about. Without Robert and John Kennedy to help MLK push the civil rights movement, no one would even remember who MLK was. Yet do we have a 'Kennedy day'? No, we don't despite the fact that they were risking much more in pushing civil rights than some black preacher commie. The Kennedy's being white men had everything to lose, while MLK really had nothing to lose.
But beyond that I'm willing to accept that although JFK was a great man, he did have his flaws. While PC liberals pretend that their political and ideological idols are saints, and never did anything wrong. It really baffles the mind how you people think....
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majicfrog In reply to hindenberg75 [2013-01-25 21:48:49 +0000 UTC]
"While PC liberals pretend that their political and ideological idols are saints, and never did anything wrong. It really baffles the mind how you people think."
Insulting people is counterproductive. I thought I made that clear. Stop it. "You people..." pffff.
The government monitors a shit-ton of people. MLK's activism also was not too long after the Red Scare, and the government monitored a TON of political activists, thinking they were probably anarchists or communists. They never found anything, anyway.
As for JFK? He was a great man and a great president, and history remembers him as such for the most part. We have Presidents' Day, at least, even if that's really George Washington and (to an extent) Abe Lincoln. Not everyone can have a holiday... still, that might be a bit overblown. I ain't complaining about a day off, though P:
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hindenberg75 In reply to majicfrog [2013-01-25 22:12:44 +0000 UTC]
Well I find it funny how the media is willing to put out programs and articles claiming that JFK was cheating on his wife, yet no one dares utter a word about poor Ol' MLK. I mean they technically haven't found any truly damning evidence of John Kennedy's affairs, yet they have made countless documentaries like it is fact.
I guess everyone is just too scared to point out the flaws in a black person for fear that they will be called 'racist'. I don't care what people call me, I just say it like it is.
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