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Maki-P [2010-02-25 01:45:12 +0000 UTC]
Funny, I'd sugest DNA testing for the sake of knowing what's the deal with the Turtles, it never occured to me to prove blood relations
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C-Puff In reply to Maki-P [2010-02-25 06:23:07 +0000 UTC]
XDD the deal?
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Maki-P In reply to C-Puff [2010-02-26 00:29:49 +0000 UTC]
You know, they're mutant turtles, one might want to know what are they made of
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C-Puff In reply to Maki-P [2010-02-26 02:40:36 +0000 UTC]
XDD Turtle blood and mutagen.
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Maki-P In reply to C-Puff [2010-02-28 06:30:25 +0000 UTC]
I guess you're right
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Tluaengiad [2010-02-11 22:19:30 +0000 UTC]
When I was five my older cousins got together and each of them baught me a different TMNT action figure(for my b-day). The cards that came with the guys said the usual stats(Height, fav topping, weapon, etc) but also where they supposedly came from. For instance, Raph supposedly came from a pet shop in New Hampshire (my kindergardener heart skipped a beat, my fav turtle from my home state?!) but his bros supposedly came from other places, example, Donny came from a turtle farm in Wyoming (I was like, Hauh? o_O?).
So I asked my folks how they could be brothers if that were the case.
Ma's response: Well, Splinter adopted them right?
Dad's response: They (beeped)-up on the cards, just ignore it.
Ma's answer meant Raph was still from NH but Dad's seemed to make more sense.
Such a dillemah for the five year old me, that it was! ^_^
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C-Puff In reply to Tluaengiad [2010-02-12 05:10:15 +0000 UTC]
XDD I never really thought about it as a little kid. No-one ever pointed it out to me.
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Pimpypants [2010-02-11 07:09:28 +0000 UTC]
This is constantly brought up in tcest wars, but it's weird how if you mention that the tmnt are probably not blood related, most people are okay with them just being gay. It's the incest stuff that bothers a lot of folks.
I don't give a crap either way, but I have been asked about them being brothers and why did I draw so and so frenching or whatever, and when I mention that, people usually back off.
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C-Puff In reply to Pimpypants [2010-02-11 17:41:12 +0000 UTC]
XDD good point *nods*
ALthough personally it's not something I go looking for I don't actually have anything morally against it or anything. I just have my preference. I have been convinced of its awesomeness once, maybe twice XDD but generally I prefer to keep things canon. That's just me though.
*always tries to be as all encompassing as possible* 8D;;
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Pimpypants In reply to C-Puff [2010-02-11 18:01:16 +0000 UTC]
I guess I'm kind of weird. Slash is not part of what I'm naturally inclined to write or draw myself, but I will still seek out and enjoy tcest art and fanfiction from good writers and artists.
While I don't care to focus on debating het vs. slash or the whole tcest uproar that's going on (to each their own, your fandom is what you make it), I think it's important to note that the TMNT are in an almost a prison-like isolation and have grown up very differently from anything we know or can understand. And situations like that do interesting things to people, mentally, so you never know what would happen. People like to explore that (look at VC Andrews with the Flowers In The Attic), and I think it's worth examining seriously.
So I tend to keep an open mind about things and I can convinced of almost anything as long as it's done well and the characters remain in character.
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Jordancatgirl7 [2010-02-10 18:56:06 +0000 UTC]
I agree that I don't care if the boys are related or not. They're still hot no matter what! XD
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DMajorBoss [2010-02-10 17:23:27 +0000 UTC]
I agree that it's not the blood that matters the most; it's the relationship you have with the person, whether you are or aren't blood related. It really is who you ARE.
At the same time, I do dislike the response "What would that prove?" since it's almost a confirmation that the person KNOWS that they aren't of the blood. The test would prove whether or not there's kin by blood alone; it matters not, of course, as one needs not have similar blood to be close, but it does show just what it's testing: if the blood is similar.
Heh, I hope that my statement isn't too much on the matter; just a thought from within. Nice comic, though, and Don's response is one with which I agree.
Thank you for the swell share.
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DMajorBoss In reply to C-Puff [2010-02-10 21:47:32 +0000 UTC]
The one thing it changes is that the person actually knows. People really want clarity these days, that peace of mind where something unknown is finally brought to light. True, it may not be a confirmation, but it also could be seen as one as well; have to look at it from both sides.
^_^
But, yeah, just sharing another perspective, even if it is just "Devil's Advocate." When one can see multiple sides of something, they'll better understand (or at least know) that there are other grounds from which people originate.
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DMajorBoss In reply to C-Puff [2010-02-11 04:00:27 +0000 UTC]
Hahah, so true, Splinter is still their father, no matter what. And, yes, they will always be brothers; though I'm have a feeling that they each came from different parents, their being together makes them brothers, and Splinter is the father that cares for them and watches over them.
Weirdly, I don't think any would try to test with Splinter, as the similarities would be apparent beforehand: rat to turtle. Turtle to turtle, though, I could possibly see one of them maybe getting curious to exact bloodlines, like past histories and such.
Also, because of the mutagen that transformed them all, they ARE related in blood...or DNA, at least. They all share that one trait within them, so they really would hold similarities under testing.
^_^
I enjoy good debates as well, as I do it quite often with both myself and my friends. I am happy that we can share, my dear, and that we both understand and respect what the other is saying. Not too big on arguments, but a discussion is always fun.
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Marysmuse [2010-02-10 17:02:06 +0000 UTC]
As to the art... Awesome as always. I like the poses and the expressions. And you know I love seeing your initial drawings. I'm getting a better handle on anatomy by studying what you've done.
As to the issue...
Meh.
My take on the whole t-cest issue is... some people like to read/write/draw it. Some don't want to, and don't want to read it. (I happen to be in the later category) So... If you don't want to, ummmm DON'T READ. Duh.
My reasoning for not liking it is, yes, they've been raised as brothers. But it's more basic than that. It's because the cannon characters are quite adamantly hetero.
I wonder how people would feel if someone wrote Ellen Degeneres (sp?) into a hetero relationship? (granted she's a real person so it's not a totally fair comparison, but I can't think of any homosexual characters off the top of my head. I am WAY out of the loop when it comes to modern pop culture)
Ok so take any solidly homosexual character you can think of, and think about someone writing them into a hetero relationship. If it makes you go "squick", you understand where I'm coming from.
HOWEVER. You will NEVER see me engage in a flame war over the issue because... to me it's a non-issue. Some people like it. Some people don't. We all have our preferences. Deal with it like grown-ups, people, good grief. Why should my preference dictate what you write/draw/enjoy? And vice versa.
Sorry if I've riled anyone up.
*steps off soapbox*
Rejoicing in the day,
-Mary
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C-Puff In reply to Marysmuse [2010-02-10 19:42:04 +0000 UTC]
XDD;; these are pretty bad examples as rought sketches (once again) as I drew them while I was half asleep at midnight, hence the weird proportions in areas and rather stiffness in others. Still, it's pretty accurate to how a serious picture would look if I didn't control my lines the way I do. Normally I'm a lot more careful with how hard or light I press. This is if I drew all my lines with more or less the same pressure XDD and didn't worry about cleaning them up too much.
Personally, I'm not really one for T-cest. I have my reasons why but really I'm so mellow on the issue ot's not even worth arguing them. I just prefer not to slash them, the same way I don't want to slash any UY characters... or why I make Michiru and Haruka Hetero XDDD Nuuuuu~!! *Clings to them* Michiru and Haruka BELONG TOGETHER!!
*cough* anyway
My issue isn't even T-cest or anit-T-cest... my issue is bringing up blood as a way of arguement. Why?? Why bring that up at all?? XDD;; I'm actually a LOT more annoyed with bringing up the question of blood relation than I am T-cest! Even if it comes up in conversation without T-cest even being spoken about at all! I just don't think it's important enough to give any serious thought.
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Marysmuse In reply to C-Puff [2010-02-10 21:45:56 +0000 UTC]
I'm not sure how to ask this without sounding judgmental, and I'm honestly not meaning to be, I'm just curious.
If I understand what you're saying, that blood shouldn't matter, then...
In a hypothetical situation, if a brother falls for a sister, would that relationship be acceptable? Even though they are blood-relations?
Or how about siblings, separated at birth, reunited? Would they be able to carry on a relationship? For that matter, how about cousins?
I guess I'm curious as to what is or isn't acceptable, in what you're saying.
I'm sincerely curious. Feel free to answer privately or not at all if you're concerned about stirring drama. I totally understand. These are sensitive subjects. While I have strong opinions on the matter, I promise not to yell at you if yours are different from mine.
Rejoicing in the day,
-Mary
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C-Puff In reply to prefight-DONUT [2010-02-10 19:45:45 +0000 UTC]
XD *nods* this comic could work even if I didn't even mention T-cest. the blood relation thing is such a non-issue in a family like the TMNT's I really don't understand why any-one would put any real value in DNA.
As for it's relationship on T-cest, even if they WERE blood related it still wouldn't matter. if you're slashing two of them... they're both boys! XDDD they're not gonna have inbred children together! (unless you go into the REALLY weird areas of fanfiction) so it STILL isn't an issue.
Bringing Splinter into the argument is also how I think about it XDD (I forgot, in my fic Usagi actually brings up this topic doesn't he?) If Splinter is father no matter what then why is blood so important among themselves?
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Phantom-Griffin [2010-02-10 14:27:20 +0000 UTC]
You are completely right! Doesn't change the fact at all, and they did grow up together anyway, you can be siblings without being blood-related.
I can honestly say I haven't read any T-cest stories and I think I'm kind of glad about that lol.
Well said *nods* ^_^
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C-Puff In reply to Phantom-Griffin [2010-02-10 19:54:16 +0000 UTC]
XD I've read only one person's T-cest stories and her's are actually fine.
XDD that is my side of the argument as far as not liking T-cest goes yes. On the other hand you can't just use "They're not related by blood!" as an excuse to slash either. You have to know how to work a character's emotions. You can't base everything on blood alone.
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Phantom-Griffin In reply to C-Puff [2010-02-10 21:16:46 +0000 UTC]
Exactly. Knowing how to work the emotions of the character is important to not completely change their personality. *nod nod*
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Irken-Femme-Love [2010-02-10 09:14:20 +0000 UTC]
This is always what I thought about when the whole 't-cest or no t-cest' thing came up. Which is why out of all of the incestuous pairings out there, I thought that slash via turtles was the most harmless XD
Well said <3
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C-Puff In reply to Irken-Femme-Love [2010-02-10 19:50:36 +0000 UTC]
XDD It really is harmless. Personally it's not really my kinda thing, but really that's personal preference and nothing else. It's so.. ..no important XDD
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C-Puff In reply to PrayerGirl1 [2010-02-10 19:57:10 +0000 UTC]
XD no it wasn't that. It was actually because of a comment I saw somewhere regarding the issue and I was all "Oh no! not THIS argument again! >("
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PrayerGirl1 In reply to C-Puff [2010-02-10 21:37:18 +0000 UTC]
*whipesrhead* Oh good!
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GemiDonnie [2010-02-10 08:55:08 +0000 UTC]
The awkward silence. XD *points at panel 3*
I love this, even if it is incredbly sketchy. Not only because I'm a supporter of turtlecest, but also because it's how I think about my family and others' families.
You know about me and dad and all the biology stuff, so I won't go into that. But yes, for me, blood is just something we are made of. Not what decide who we are, or who our family is.
Also, love how Donnie is all relaxed and, his line at the last panel, is so loveable. It's written all over him that he is just stating the obvious, and nothing more. <3
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