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In which we almost witnessed a murder.
This page went through a lot of adjustments until I settled on what it looks like here. It wasn't a difficult page per se. There were just multiple ways I could've done things and I was unsure of which to use. But I'm happy with the final result.
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Probably has, some with undyne I think
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wait... if he already has the scar theeeen
is dis my buddy boi chara possessing my buddy boi frisk
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He remembers the promise which i almost forgot about. Good call for the 'you promise?' there, author.
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Hmmmm, this is an interesting take on Sans. I've actually always pictured Sans actually trying to do his job more, at least in the beginning when he wasn't as aware of the resets yet like in this, but only stopping himself or maybe actually not esp. if you had already killed people in the previous route, because of the promise, after all it is kinda of stated in game that one of the only reasons he didn't kill u was because of the promise, & hates humans or at least hates the 7th human. Though I could also picture Sans killing the player at the start after so many resets, that he grew so desperate he would try anything even knowing it would probably not work. This is one of my favorite pages so far, that & the whole dream/nightmare sequence, the style it was drawn in was very beautiful, & I just really liked it, & I think had lots of clues in, I esp. liked the golden flowers part, hmmm Flowey maybe, coming from what looked like his fatal wound. Anyways, love this, came here from the awesome Sans Comic TV dubs of this awesome comic, I will now read what hasn't been dubbed, though I do hope Sans Comic TV releases another part(s) of their dubbed series of this, I think there is enough pages for at least one more part. Anyways, I look forward to every update of this amazing and really well drawn comic, it actually kind of reminds of AfterTale a little bit in story & mainly art style, and that's good because AT was great and so is this, and I can see u improving with every page, anyways let's catch up on this, then wait patiently but excitedly for more updates, etc., waiting sucks, but esp. for stuff I love I can wait.
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welp ima just gonna turn my back and...
*my oc kills frisk with a claw strike to the back*
DIE YOU GENOCIDAL MEGALOMANIAC!!!!
*see her LOVE lvl is 1*
oh crud
*head buts the death reset numerous times*
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I like that his first idea was to kill the human just like most monsters, but he was taken back because of the "old lady". This really works well.
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Thank you so much ;w; I like this headcanon a lot.
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Now there's conflicting emotions, I like how you make Sans look so laid back in other pages and then something to be feared in this one.
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Kill the kid will give you nothing Sans, they can load ya know?
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WARNING! Carry on reading! Or you will die, even if you only looked at the word warning!
Once there was a little girl called Clarissa, she was ten-years-old and she lived in a mental
hospital, because she killed her mom and her dad. She got so bad she went to kill all the
staff in the hospital so the More-government decided that best idea was to get rid of her so
they set up a special room to kill her, as humane as possible but it went wrong the
machine they were using went wrong. And she sat there in agony for hours until she died.
Now every week on the day of her death she returns to the person that reads this letter, on
a Monday night at 12:00 a.m. She creeps into your room and kills you slowly, by cutting you
and watching you bleed to death. Now send this to ten other pictures on this one site, and
she will haunt someone else who doesn't. This isn't fake. apparently, if you copy and paste
this to ten comments in the next ten minutes you will have the best day of your life tomorrow.You
will either get kissed or asked out, if you break this chain u will see a little dead girl in you
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1. I absolutely love the way you segwayed between your story additions and the canon.
2. Isn't he supposed to escort the human(s) to Asgore, not kill them on sight?
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2. Well the result would be the same: the death of the kid, right?
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There's a lot of things Sans is "suppose" to do
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Not intimidating enough, Sans. You need to go like this:
*h u m a n. . .
*d o n' t y o u k n o w h o w t o g r e e t a n o l d p a l ?
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It's a really good page. Good thing Tori made him promise.
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The genocide has already happened...
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I mean in THIS timeline, the timeline that UnderSwap Papyrus is in now.
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what? Why do you speak about underswap?
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Just realized I read the last few pages in reverse order because notifications start with most recent... oops
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I do that a lot... I tend to not log in for a couple of weeks and then be faced with 100 or so notifications when I finally do. It's several hours of enjoyment when I finally have time to go through them all though! But it's probably confusing to creators when I suddenly comment on the last two weeks of uploads all at once and then vanish into the night lol
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Haha! XD well I at least don't mind at all 8'D I think most artists are just happy for feedback. No matter if it comes in batches or not :3
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I guess sans almost try's to kill frisk yet remembers toriel promise that not harm any child that come across , it's commendable
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I'm not against your interpretation of things, but to me this doesn't feel like Sans. Obviously if you've played genocide you know there's a lot more to him than a lazy jokester, but even so I can't picture him spotting a human and instantly going full-on murder mode. He doesn't seem hot-blooded enough for that given his nihilistic state of view, where he feels nothing he does really matters because it all might be reset at random, though he is only vaguely aware of it rather than completely ignorant like everyone else.
I don't see it as a flaw in the story, and I'm still interested to see where thing go. I just don't agree with it.
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ When I played the game for the very first time I was shit terrified of Sans. Expecting at any moment he'd lash out and kill me if he felt like it. That is the impression I got from him.
Before the internet really grabbed hold of the game.
The scene here is also a scene where I felt honestly threatened by him. Although the other 2 moments you spend alone time with him in the neutral run are also extremely threatening.
I just never knew where Sans stood with me. And Always anticipated violence from him.
Violence doesn't need to be hot-blooded at all. Violence can be very dispassionate and unfeeling. And that's what I got from Sans. Someone whose nihilism would make him kill you without feeling just as easily as let you go. BECAUSE in the end, it doesn't really matter.
That's all.
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Opinions are opinions after all, so I don't begrudge you yours. I only watched the beginning of a let's play about Undertale up until the Toriel fight before buying the game for myself. Since I wasn't spoilered for my initial pacifist route playthrough I took Sans at face value personality wise. For a jokester it felt perfectly in-character for him to come off spooky, just to suddenly reveal it's all a joke with a whoopie-cushion. I think I got a little uncomfortable with his "You'd be dead where you stand" line, but once more I quickly wrote it off as trolling humor, which you can find all over the place from him, such as the sock filled with post-it notes or playing the trombone to taunt Papyrus.
So, I had the exact opposite impression of him you did, which is why this page came off as an oddity. I never found him a scary character. Having played through both sides of the story my vision of Sans is in line with his final fight. What reason does he have to lie to you in a harsh deathmatch? Your character doesn't give a crap what they have to say anyway at that point. I don't think his promise to Toriel was what actually stopped him from killing you at the start. After all, what does he have to gain from it? He already claimed getting to the surface held no meaning to him, since he might just wake up right where he started, so killing you would serve no purpose to him.
I left my intiial comment when I first saw the page, but reading the next few pages we see this is genocide Frisk, so stopping a murderer fits as a motive, but in the OTHER comment of mine you brought up that someone could just dust themselves off, so how would Sans know what Frisk was up to?
But, again, this is just my personal interpretation on Sans. Yours is just as valid, and that's what makes discussions fun.
PS: You're one of my favorite types of creators, who takes the time to respond to basically every comment as long as it has the tiniest bit of substance to it. Sometimes I can write walls of text simply because I have quite a bit to say, and I love when I can get one back, because it feels like the other person is just as invested in the talk and is actually listening. I write fanfiction for a show I like, and while I'm far from the most popular on the site, I've reached the point where favs, follows, and up/down votes just become meaningless numbers. I want meaningful comments expressing their feelings on the subject matter. That's the sort of thing that keeps me writing, knowing that I have even just one or two dedicated followers just waiting for my next upload.
Keeo up the great work!
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I think first impressions are super important, yes. My first impression of Sans was that he was really scary. And someone to be wary of. Something that probably coloured my idea of him as a character completely.
But this is something I really do like about him, and something I find a LOT of fans try to "do away" with or "ignore" at best. They want Sans to be a loveable, "nice" character who would neeeever hurt anyone unless it was in a heroic snse like the end of the genocide run to stop the big bad human. I find this really sad. it gives the impression that a character has to be completely spotless and "perfect" for him to be a character you love.
The reason I like Sans is because although he is absolutely a good hearted person, he has a lot of grey areas and can do problematic things. The difference is he always does them with good intentions, which keeps him as a good person and not a morally grey one.
But people seem to want to ignore when he does things questionable because "but we love Saaaaans! He can do no wrong!!"
I think to ignore the darker parts of his personality is to rob him of a lot of his depth and complexity as a character. It makes him more one dimensional and "safe". And I feel this is actually very unfair towards him.
The "You'd be dead where you stand" is absolutely a death threat. make no mistake. Sans is saying that if it wasn't for Toriel, he'd have killed you as soon as he saw you. You can try and sugar coat it to make it more palatable, but at the end of the day, that is what he meant.
The scene at Grillby's is also questionable, but more subtle. But it also implies Sans is mistrustful of the human, and trying to scope them out.
Sans is a dangerous character. And that's what gives him a lot of layers and depth. I don't understand why people want him to be spotlessly clean and safe. That's not who he is.
anyway, ignoring that for a moment.
Thank you very much 
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I couldn't disagree more with that assessment. I don't know if you're referring specifically to me, but I don't feel Sans has to be perfect to be likeable. My first impression was just different than yours. It starts out all intimidating, a stick breaks behind you, you see a shadow pass by a tree. Someone is sneaking up behind you... and then just when you think you're in for danger, he's simply hitting you with a whoopee cushion.
I feel it set the stage perfectly for the second arc of the story, which contains a lot of comedy through Sans' puns and Papyrus' adorable naivete. Given all the meta and fourth wall breaking going on throughout the game it feels like it's also done to troll the player. It's the kind of thing that's kinda the usual lampshade in Naruto abridged, where the main crew of ninja's are talking to each other through walkies, scoping out a target, they get the signal to move in, and........... they're just capturing someone's lost pet. "Ha ha, you thought we were doing something important!"
In my personal belief, once a discussion moves away from the topic in question and starts becoming about the PEOPLE doing the discussing, that the chance for meaningful conversation at that point becomes highly unlikely, because of natural defensiveness usually degrading things to insults and namecalling, but I'll give it a shot.
I have no issue with your interpretation of Sans. If you thought he was a scary character based on his introductory scene, and want to write him that way, by all means. Take it as far as you can in your art. As long as the story remain entertaining I can take a different Sans than I expect.
What I take issue with is you writing like your interpretation is FACT, rather than personal opinion. That YOUR Sans is THE Sans. Sans doesn't actually exist, so anything not directly confirmed by the creator or the story is mere opinion. Heck, sometimes even the creator's get ignored. I read on TVtropes that Toby said Sans was too lazy to have a romantic relationship with anyone. You think that actually stopped the shippers? Doubtful.
For example, this is the part of your reply that set me off. "The "You'd be dead where you stand" is absolutely a death threat. make no mistake. Sans is saying that if it wasn't for Toriel, he'd have killed you as soon as he saw you. You can try and sugar coat it to make it more palatable, but at the end of the day, that is what he meant. "
In other words, "MY way of thinking is right and everyone else who thinks otherwise is WRONG!" That's not what you were trying to say, but it sure comes off that way. It's a complete shut-down of communication because it sounds like you won't even entertain alternate interpretations just because YOU feel a certain character can only be what you think they are. It comes off as condescending to people who may feel differently than you.
I'm going to assume here that you played pacifist first, and that you weren't spoiled on "bad time" Sans at the end of genocide. Based on your initial interpretation of Sans it's only natural that this scene would confirm your suspicions about his danger. If that's the impression you got that's fine, but don't act like it's the ONLY way that scene could be taken.
Your first time through I think most people would take it as more trolling, acting horrifying but then immediately revealing it as a joke. It holds more weight once you've played through a genocide route, but given you can only see the scene on a neutral/pacifist route it could come across more as a warning than a death threat, to either REMAIN as a pacfist, or stop killing things as a neutral player.
Same thing with the promise to Toriel. Your Sans has no problem attacking the human, but stops when he remembers his promise. That's fine. But it could very well be that the promise just gives him an excuse not to do his job. There's plenty of ways to take it. Me, personally, if there was anything that keeps Sans from killing you because of that promise, it would be killing Papyrus. Sans disappears from the story after that until the judgement hall (though he kinda shows up against Shyren, staring at you instead of making tickets out of toilet paper)
Given that most monsters will stop fighting you just for being nice, it doesn't feel like most of them are actually that committed to the whole kill the human to escape the underground schtick. That's why in particular Sans' about to sneak attack kill the human stands out. Or maybe not, since Sans breaks all the rules in his genocide route fight, so not fighting you head on like everyone else could work.
There's more I could say, but I'd rather see your reaction first. I'm hoping it goes over well and you defy expectations. While this is mainly on youtube, I've seen too many comments go south rapidly the moment someone feels insulted. I'm all for discussion, but I don't think such things should be about who's right or wrong, but more about sharing ideas. That's the beauty of interpretation. Anyone could be right.
On a story related-note, is it ever going to be explained why Sans retained his genocide route injury despite the protaganist resetting the timeline? His memory of it not being there makes sense, but the wound remaining is odd. Or is the timeline just that screwed up?
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Dude....it's a story. That's how they wrote it for THEIR story. You say you don't mind the interpretation, but two essays worth of comments later, here you are. Just let it go and have fun with the comic! Not everyone's gunna have the same interpretation as you! No one's saying this is canon! No one is saying this is the "right" version! Just....have freaking fun with it! It's a story for corn's sake! You're supposed to enjoy it! For the sake and respect of C-Puff's storytelling, just accept that this is Sans and this is how he rolls for the sake of the story and for the sake of having fun?
Cool? Cool.
Okay.
Story continues!
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As I said earlier, once a topic of discussion starts involving the people having the discussion instead of the topic itself then any chance for meaningful conversation stops. Instead of discussing Sans you're talking about me. I see you missed the whole point of things because you seem to be under the impression I'm raging against the author or something.
The whole "it's just a (fictional) movie/comic/show/play/book argument never made sense to me, because the whole point of interactive media is to get you engaged and FEELING something. Like it's fine to cry at an emotionally uplifting scene in a movie, but you should be disregarded for complaining about a rape scene just because 'it's not real.' Either it's fine to be invested in something like it's real, or it's not. You can't have it both ways.
My gripe has little to do with the comic and more the attitude implied by Cpuff, which is what the problem was in the first place, because their words changed from "This is what I think" to "Most people think this and I don't think they should." I got annoyed by their words implying they don't like the way most people portray Sans but want others to respect their version, not that their version of Sans is different than what I expected. That changed it from something impersonal to something personal, which is why I started addressing them directly.
I feel you're doing the same, demanding I conform to what you believe, and respecting a difference in opinion. Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean you have to be condescending about it.
I see no reason that I can't have a friendly discussion with the author about their work. That's what a comment section is for, to discuss the content. People seem to think you can only says positive things in the comments, though if it's done respectfully, a negative comment can be very constructive.
C-Puff themselves didn't have a problem with it, as quoted here: "Also as you say, it encourages better feedback from readers if they feel I'm actually engaging with them on a meaningful level. Because meaningful feedback is what I'm looking for but I can't just expect it to fall out of the sky if I'm not doing anything about it. So I try my best to encourage it and get people talking however I can without being annoying about it."
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This didn't seem like some friendly convo to me dude. I'm just saying. Leave it be. From what I read, this started because you didn't like C-Puff's version of Sans. At this point, I don't really care, I'm here for a story, not to read what sounded like you complaining that Sans wasn't good enough in this comic. It's a thing for the story. That's it. Last I checked, the story ain't for me or for you personally. That's all I'm gunna say and do for now.
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There's nothing to 'let go of' because I'm not taking this nearly as personally as you think I am. I shared an opinion, they shared one back, I went further in depth, and so did they. If my last reply to them got a bit personal it was because they did it first in the way they talked about the fans, as if only their interpretation was a valid one.
Ordering me around and making assumptions about me isn't going to change the way I feel, because it's just proving what I took issue with in the first place. C-Puff talked about the fans, I talked about C-Puff, and now you're talking about me, and now the actual subject of the conversation is lost in personal issues.
"Last I checked, the story ain't for me or for you personally." But the comment section is? Since-> "I came here for a story, not to hear you complain." I have just as much right to express myself here as you do, and I'm not going to stop myself just to please you. As long as I'm polite about it I've got nothing to feel bad about.
There's no point in saying more, since you're probably not actually listening, but C-Puff is an adult, and they can handle themselves if they have an issue with what I say. They don't need to be 'saved.'
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I'm so glad! 8'D I was hoping to be tense with it and a little creepy!
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Honestly though, I frequently find children to be kinda creepy. Might just be years of watching Supernatural though.
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XD There's a reason creepy kids are a trope. Let's just say that!
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Ahhhhh man this is exactly how I felt it happened!
It's always a pleasure seeing updates from this comic
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Thank you so very much! 8'D and thank you for reading!
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I imagin that it must be difficult to stay in his role ^^
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dang thats an oh crap moment if i ever saw one
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In my headcanon Sans would never consider killing a kid. That's why he promised Toriel,because he wouldn't do that sort of thing anyway. When he refers to Frisk being dead where she stands, he's referring to the other monsters killing her, not himself.
Still a great piece of art though. I love this comic.
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