HOME | DD
doubleWbrothers — What If Celestia... 02
#action #alicorn #answer #battle #celestia #comedy #comic #commission #duel #epic #fight #fim #friendship #lesson #magic #mlp #moon #pony #power #princess #series #sisters #spell #sun #teacher #unicorn #wtf #unironic #what_if #mylittleponyfriendshipismagic
Published: 2020-01-11 14:31:40 +0000 UTC; Views: 70653; Favourites: 1241; Downloads: 298
Redirect to original
Description
NEXT PAGE >> www.deviantart.com/doublewbrot…PREVIOUS PAGE >> www.deviantart.com/doublewbrot…
Description:
What if Twilight never made friends? What if the Elements of Harmony would have been destroyed forever?
What if Celestia had been forced to handle all the problems herself? How would the story go then?
Here's a new comic series from Mr-Spider-The-Bug and doubleWbrothers where we will get all the answers to the question: "What if Celestia..."
Drawn and mostly written by Mr-Spider-The-Bug (You can check his other comics)
Sponsored and co-written by me, the older of the two doubleWbrothers (the one who draws less, OC with the long mane)
Proofread by DracoBlair
"Please note, that I as a writer, consider only the official episodes as canon. I DO NOT consider other sources of information like official books, comics, movies, special episodes, alternative universes series, toy descriptions, official games, author's tweets, etc. as canon! Besides that, time travel does not exist! All time travel we saw in the show was just mind illusion spells that have only given the impression of time travel. Nothing that we saw in the episodes «Cutie Re-Mark Part 1-2» was real."
Update: Sorry everyone, but after some consideration we decided to update the comic a little bit so it would cause fewer misunderstandings. We've added a new scene during Celestia’s and Twilight’s conversation. You can find the old version here: sta.sh/02sxrc5tlfq
Related content
Comments: 261
👍: 7 ⏩: 0
👍: 7 ⏩: 0
👍: 10 ⏩: 0
👍: 6 ⏩: 0
So this is how that Nightmare Moon-ruled reality Starlight created started...
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
That scene of Nightmare and Celestia fighting ....
I think I've seen it before. But where....
Oh yeah. Mewtwo vs Mew
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Well, since she's the only one there I guess Twilight is gonna be the idiot who thinks jumping between two massive beams of energy is going to make them stop fighting and get turned to stone.
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
Wow. What a petty update. I take back what I said before, I am no longer interested in seeing where this goes. Have fun with your headcanons, Spider.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Since you love canon so much, and canon has ability to do time travel. I have a special explanation just for you.
You see, Celestia made time travel back to that moment and freed herself from the moon or sun or whatever it was. So she can do whatever she wants.
Because *sarcasm-* time travel is such a complicated writing tool to use.
And don't think I'm gonna do a comic about it or something. That comment, like a cheap tweet, should be enough for you.
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
I love that crying Twilight panel. It's so cute and funny xD
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
Those two added panels add so much to the comic! I really appreciate you being able to look at your already finished work, then saying "this could be even better" and working on it some more. Twilight's relieved/stressed expression is both heartbreaking and hilarious, and it fits the Season 1 Twily perfectly!
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
Awesome, way more detailed in the dialogues, neat :3
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
Reposte, is when you delete the old version and re-publish it. It's just an update. We added a pretty big piece.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
ah ok, thanks for telling me that.
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
Lol I feel a little called out in this update, as I was one of the ones discussing the subject of Celestia being captured. XD
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
There were a lot of us talking about why Twilight was alone and how Celestia wasn't trapped on the moon. I want at least 20% of the blame!
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
Just Update. You can read the description.
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
"Da Fck "? I'm not surprised a battle of equals wouldn't have occurred, Twilight and Luster
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
So "It's About Time" never happened either?
Also...
Celestia: AIRSTRIKE SHIELD!!!
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Okay, I have a counter question for you about "It's About Time" episode.
At moment 18.14 Celestia appears, just to say "Good morning Twilight, love your new hairstyle, well happy tuesday." and leaves, with a clear laugh in her voice.
My question is, what the hay is she doing there? At the Canterlot University, when she had just raised the sun, on tuesday, exactly in the ancient scroll section, in the morning, when everything should be closed?
And no one was even surprised that Twilight was sneaking around?
You don't think that all we saw was a fake pre-planned Trollestia incident?
👍: 0 ⏩: 2
I dunno. Celestia just does what she wants when she wants. She can go where she pleases. And I guess it's just okay for Twilight to as well. I mean, she IS Celestia's successor. She had clearance that she didn't even know about. Also, she can teleport and track Twilight's whereabouts thanks to her familiar Magic Signature. It's like how Goku can sense the Ki from others and pinpoint who it is in Dragon Ball. Magic and Ki are interchangeable in MLP since they're both basically just energy that are powered by the force of Will. And...no. I don't think so. I think Celestia was just doing her thing.
I don't really know how that's a counter, though...
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
no one aka Celestia was even surprised that Twilight was sneaking around?
Twilight is a bookworm, Celestia's pupil. She studies magic since she is a filly. She went in the magic section library after she proved two time now she was reliable, why not, so far she is somepony Celestia can rely on. Maybe she was authorized to walk in this section, she was not aware of that fact before today.
Also, they is no "open time" for an ancient scroll section library, specially when you are the pony who saved Equestria twice.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
It's possible. And it's also possible that Celestia warned all the guards in advance. And that still doesn't explain why Celestia was there at that exact moment.
Besides, Pinkie Pie and Spike was very suspicious in this episode.
Basically, the two of them are responsible for how Twilight started to look at the end.
for example, Pinkie Pie was next to the telescope, and next moment Twilight got an eye burn from a telescope. Who brought the eye patch right away? Pinkie Pie! Coincidence? Who brought the time travel scroll spell right on appropriate moment? Pinkie Pie! Coincidence? The whole episode is filled with these "coincidences" from Pinkie Pie and Spike. They definitely was involved.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Maybe you should rewatch the episode.
Who open the door to the section in the end? A guard.
Pinkie Pie gets those eye patch "everywhere in pony in case of emergency" and coming from Pinkie Pie, the impossible mare, the comic relief, the element of laughter, yes, I do believe she has.
Why Celestia is there? Explain to me why she could not be there on a Tuesday morning after she raised the sun.
Also, which on these point prove that time travel spell are not a thing?
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Yes, A guard open the door because Celestia told them that Twilight would come there. So they all saw her stupid sneaking around. But they just ignored her because they were given that order to do.
"Pinkie Pie gets those eye patch because in case of emergency" Sure, very believable.
That's exactly what Pinkie Pie say if she LIDE! And we all know that Pinkie Pie don't have a problem with lying and pranking.
Celestia shouldn't be there because it's her working time. She has to let Luna off duty and step in on day watch, raising the sun. She was supposed to be at the castle balcony, where they usually meet. Not at the university in the ancient scroll section at 4 a.m. when the university has not even opened yet.
There's no reason for her to be there, except for see Twailight's face and give Pinkie Pie that scroll which most likely just repeats a past life event spell.
I want to get rid of all time travel, because it is the dumbest and most horrible writer tool. No character achievement, loss, injury, or death, will have value if time travel exists. Your character's died? no problem! Time travel and save him. Your favorite villain died and you want him back? No problem, time travel. You need some kind of macguffin, but you don't know how characters get him? Time travel! You're hungry and you don't want to wait for pizza? Time travel!
Adding time travel to story is like making characters as immortal gods. Besides, it's creates a lot, a TONS of logical paradoxes in story, which is simply impossible to explain.
I love MLP world, I really do. But he doesn't need a time travel, it's breaks all his achievements. Because like i said, if something bad happens, then Pfff... who cares?! Just go time travel.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I time travel two hours in the future to read that? Yes, I just added time travel to this conversation. Fight me.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I'll never say no to fight with anyone.
Yes, time travel in to the future can exist and can be realized through magic. It's called "Stasis" and it doesn't irritate me at all, because this ability cannot create any logical paradoxes.
I'll even say more, the ability to freeze time, and the ability to return some object in his past state. Like, fix a broken vase by returning it to its past state, also quite possible.
But, time traveling back in time. Noup, can't be possible without creating a black hole and killing everything and yourself.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Still, I fail to see the point of that in the current comic.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Well, some "idiots" were very aggressively yelling at me that Celestia doesn't have any powers, and he's very weak and dumb. Because the shit that we saw on "Cutie Re-Mark Part 1-2" where in alternative times Celestia even lost to Flim and Flam, not to mention the other villains.
I tried to explain to this "idiot" that these alternative times are not real, and spells create these fake alternative times based on Twilight memories. Because these alternative times do not even contain Tirek, since Twilight still had no idea about Tirek. If everything was real, where Tirek? And I gave him a bunch of other evidence. But this "idiot" just called me retard and kept whining.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Truth is, the alternate timeline from these episodes is a mess, the writers did it really poorly, to make it sounds like it was becoming worse and worse ... but how could Flim and Flam be "worse" than Nightmare Moon or Discord or Tirek?
The time travel is something since season 2, it is canon. Thing is, Josh Haber, the one who wrote the episode, is not someone who is good at this kind of stuff.
You want to make it right, you make a headcanon you weave around the timeline but without the mane six, like I did for my fanfiction.
Celestia banned, Nightmare Moon rules on the south part of Equestria as she fights against the tyranny of Sombra who controls the north of the country. Discord is somewhere and Tirek is no where to be seen.
Celestia is dumb and weak? Well, from what you said, she seems to have nothing better to do than to troll Twilight. What a wise ruler we have here.
"Because these alternative times do not even contain Tirek, since Twilight still had no idea about Tirek." What do you mean?
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Well, I don't want to get involved in time travel in any way. Because if time travel exists, no matter how good a story I write, someone will definitely say, "hey, why don't they just use time travel? They're stupid!"
So my personal explanation for "Cutie Re-Mark Part 1-2" it that scroll that Starlight Glimmer found ,wasn't really a time-travel spell scroll, But was memories time-travel spell. It works like other spells as "imagination creativity" or "alicorn potion" or another thing that allowed everyone travel in a comic book as a heroes, or as my "what if..." spell, everything was just a magic illusion world in their minds. I'm pretty sure that Starswirl the Bearded created this scroll just to visit his past memories like virtual reality, for fun. But Starlight Glimmer misunderstood that, and changed the scroll to make it look like time travel, by forcing spells create alternative worlds and stuff. And used map table to increase its power like a super-camputer. But still, nothing was real and if Twilight hadn't touched that scroll she wouldn't even have been sucked into that illusion and Starlight be stuck there forever.
And as a source of information to create alternative time worlds, the spells used memories of those who used it him. In this case, he only had information from Starlight, Twilight, and Spike. And of course they got ridiculous worlds where King Sombra or Nightmare Moon won. Because in Twilat’s memories these villains were very scary. And she had no idea about Celestia powers or other equestria heroes, or even other villains like Tirek.
At least that's my personal explanation for these stupid episodes.
P.S. And for your "Celestia have nothing better to do than to troll Twilight." I would say, yes! she's over 1,000 years old, how bored do you think she is? And if you remember correctly, Twilight at the end learned a lesson to not panic about problems that don't exist. it's a very important quality for the future princess. Perhaps that was Celestia prank goal.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
If you consider time travel as a loop, you can't use time travel to fix your problems, otherwise you would create a time paradox.
The only possibility? Multiverse theory.
You would fix the said problem, but for another timeline, for another "you" to enjoy it.
That's why, if you use time travel right, you can't use time travel to fix a problem.
That's why, you use time travel only when you consider it like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey... stuff.
That's why, Starlight created "ONE" alternate timeline (the whole different alternate timeline depicted during episode 1&2 is bollocks) leading to the destruction of Equestria. Maybe Discord got bored, and he snapped Thanos like. Maybe that's why there is nothing around the cutie map, just sand and wind.
You can't just say "it never happened" It did happened, during season two, during season five. Thing is, during the finale of season five, it was so poorly written, you called bullshit.
So did I. That's why I fixed it in my headcanon.
Because if you remove the mane six, you can't have 5 different timelines. If you remove the sonic rainboom, no cutie marks, so years later, Nightmare Moon rules, Discord "may" remain trapped in his stone made prison, and Sombra rise one day and try to conquer Equestria. Twilight would be told the story by AJ or somepony else, as the story of this alternate timeline, it gets worse by the seconds, she understands the lesson she gave at the beginning of the first part was an understatement, she has to fix the timeline.
But you can't just try to say "it never happened". It's a lazy move. As an artist, you have to get your own headcanon, to make it right, as least for yourself. To share it if you feel like so, once you rest assured there is no plothole in your headcanon. This is what you should consider to do. If not. Well, let's stop there the topic, it's going nowhere ...
---
You talk about Celestia's powers, and Equestria's heroes. Here is the thing. Celestia never depicted her powers, as a princess, she should not have to.
First thing first, lot of bronies call the two sisters "goddesses" and this is wrong, this is lazy. Celestia and Luna are more equivalent to Elizabeth two, queen of the UK.
As for the heroes, well, the mane six are the guardians of Equestria, the only one harmony needs. So without them, it would not last long. Just need to watch the movie.
Equestria is subjugated within 3 hours.
---
Celestia is bored you say? Her sister is back, one thousand years to catch back, so many things to say, maybe that's why she went in the archives actually, she needed a document she wanted Luna to read, maybe Starswirl's book she gave to Twilight at the end of season three? I mean, Celestia planned ahead about the return of her sister. And sure enough she planned enough the trials for Twilight to pass, like in season three, "you must do it alone". Twilight is still her pupil, and do I have to talk about Cadance getting married at the end of the season, how could she bored with such an event?!
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
First thing first. Considering that the MLP world is already an inexplicable mess without even considering all the extra material that just makes it worse. I don't think it's possible for us to come to a common conclusion, because each of us will fill the gaps in the story with our own theories for our own stories. And since the story is over and we no longer will be receive any new information, it is no longer possible to prove or disprove anything.
In my case, I would like to get rid of all time travel, because in my point of view, write story without time travel is something much more complicated and challenging. Because if you have time travel, you don't have another ending but the same as for snake race and the last episode of Rick and Morty (at the moment). But even this episode contains logical paradoxes, but it was funny.
As for your theory of time traveling through multiple universes. It is just useless and only can be used if your character a dick-head.
For example, if your character got his son killed and his wife crying and he used multiple universes time travel to save his son. And told his copy to use the time machine to do the same. His original universe still has a murdered son and crying wife, and he just became dick-head who abandoned them. So it can be used only if your character is a dick-head from the beginning.
And if the same theory is used for MLP world. Then again if Twilight hadn't touched that scroll she wouldn't been sucked into that parallel time universe and Starlight will be stuck there forever. And nothing would have happened to our original Twilight and her world. And since it wouldn't affect the original world in any way. then it's not a time travel, it's teleportation between worlds.
As for your description of Celestia power, I totally disagree with you here. Because I follow simply theory which states that, lived time equals experience and experience equals powers. And Celestia does not look like a weak old queen, she looks strong and in the peak of her life. In other words, Twilight studied magic for no more than 15-17 years, and has already managed to defeat all villains. Celestia is more than a 1000 years old, she no longer needs studie magic, the only thing left for her to do is to go deep down beyond all she can learn. And I think she's already gone so deep that she doesn't even perceive all villains threats as something that requires her personal intervention. For her, these villains opportunities always been like something that she could use to raise a new princess in Twilight, and finally retire to wear this stupid heavy crown.
But like I said, it's just all my personal theories. It is impossible for both of us to prove or disprove them.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
"As for your theory of time traveling through multiple universes. It is just useless and only can be used if your character a dick-head.
For example, if your character got his son killed and his wife crying and he used multiple universes time travel to save his son.
And told his copy to use the time machine to do the same. His original universe still has a murdered son and crying wife, and he just became dick-head who abandoned them.
So it can be used only if your character is a dick-head from the beginning."
Yes and no. If you use time travel, which leads you to an alternate timeline, maybe in this timeline, the kid didn't died, but the parents died. The character may not find this timeline in the first try, but the odds are there.
What "creates" an alternate timeline? Choices/Actions.
There is two timeline in the Matrix, take the blue pill, take the red pill, story would be much shorter if Neo took the other pill.
Watchmen is basically an alternate universe where Owlman saved the Wayne familly from their murderer in the crime alley, and as such, Batman never came to life.
Undertale, the video game, follows this same idea. One timeline, make a choice, go Genocide. Regret, reset and go Pacifist. Sans knows what you did, he noticed it, the timeline went left and right.
Trunks saved Goku.
Starlight prevented the Sonic Rainboom.
I could go on. So no, time travel through multiverse would not end like you state, you get it wrong. I start to think you do that on purpose. Specially considering you think Celestia is trollestia, which is "not" canon, something you stated disliking.
"As for your description of Celestia power, I totally disagree with you here. ... "
I stop you right there. Celestia does not look like a weak old queen? Indeed. But she is. She is something like 1200 years old. That's a lot. Specially considering she spent 1000 years "just" being the princess of Equestria.
So what happens during season nine? She "retires". Where? "Silver Shoals" What is that? A retirement community near Silver Shores, season nine episode five.
She is ageless, not immortal. She can do by herself the duty of six unicorns, this does not make her a goddess, just more powerful than the average citizen of Equestria.
She does not look like an old queen, but she acts like one. Why does she not look like old, but in the peak of her life? Because this is a colourful ad for kids. Did you see any official Granny Smith toy? No. How many Celestia toy? I stopped counting.
Twilight defeated all the villains because she studied magic? Uh no. Because friendship, that's why I love that Twilight will be an earth pony in G5, it will shatter this stupid idea that Twilight is powerful by herself as a unicorn.
Her potential is great, but not that much. Starlight managed to make Starswirl's time travel spell more complex, maybe only because she dedicated herself to study magic and a little older than the princess.
If Twilight managed to defeat Nightmare Moon, Discord, Tirek, it is ONLY because the mane six stood up, as one. For the magic of friendship is not linked to the usual magic unicorns use on a daily basis. It comes from their hearts.
Celestia no longer needs to study magic? Welp, she became Twilight's student during the last episode of season 3. Seems like there is still something she needs to study after all.
These villains opportunities are no threats to her? Welp, in this case, why the alternate timeline dep ... oh right, you prefer to think they are not time travel.
*Shrugs*
In the end, problem is, you prefer to close your eyes because you don't understand, or even worse, you refuse to understand.
Let's stop here indeed, there is no point to waste time any more than that.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Why are you explaining to me the theory of multi universes if.
1) I already know them all of them because I'm a nerd and a real scientist.
2) I won't use them anyway.
Still, your explanation hasn't proved anything. The same can be explain that Celestia went to "Silver Shoals" because it's where she can find ponies with high life spans who would share the same hobbies and views on life as she does. In other words, a place where she could find friends of her peers. Besides, we don't know how much the ponies have advanced in alchemy and magic to creating things that prolong life. Maybe some of the old ponis there aren't very different from Celestia age. I mean, Zecora lives in a swamp and can make potions that grow bones in less than 10 seconds. If she can do such a thing, I am quite sure that their real scientists have long time ago invented the Philosopher's Stone and other things prolong life. Well, at least, this subject hasn't been covered in any way.
And I deny your views not because I refuse to understand them, I understand them. But I will deny them because they have no value for a good story. Your explanations is put the end to everything and close the story. In other words, they're boring and they have no development potential. I will say that the story is NOT over yet, and we still can learn a lot about their world, magic, and Celestia histori.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Zecora can grow bones with a potion? Didn't know that.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Well, she rebuilt a broken tooth. The teeth are bones too (if you didn't know) Besides, restoring a tooth would be a lot harder than restoring a bone. So the bone repair potion obviously exists because it's a lower stage of evolution for the teeth repair potion. One cannot exist without the other.
I'm sorry, but I just remembered that you wrote that in community, Celestia is considered as some kind of super goddess. That's probably the stupidest thing you said. No one in сommunity even respects Celestia, everyone makes out her some kind of lazy, old, weak, stupid, Celestia joke, and treat her like garbage. It's just me and DWB are 2 fans who believe in stron Celestia, no one's ever made a comic book about it, but us. Even this high-quality comic book came out of the hatred on way how community treats Celestia. And the fact that I didn't even start the fight itself in the comic, but I've already got a lot of hatred on fact that Celestia actually did something, proves that.
At least that's what I see.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
*Sigh*
Well, now I am sure you are just trolling around.
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
| Next =>