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Published: 2015-07-03 12:17:23 +0000 UTC; Views: 950; Favourites: 10; Downloads: 8
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Well it's about time for another model so here's the only one that's finished, a big... (slightly fugly) thing. I'd like to point out right from the start that this is designed to a fictional loading gauge that can take locos as tall as the US has but on much heavier built track (40t axel loads are the norm, hence its hugeness on just 6 axels).This is just a small part of a much, much larger project that is in the works at the moment, details will be revealed later when I get more of it worked out. But, onto the loco!
It's a bit of a mashup of a Russian TΠ10 upload.wikimedia.org/wikipediaβ¦ and a generic American big thing like GE and EMD are producing at the moment with a small amount of Australian (Pilbara iron ore railways) influence too. Inside it has a 7,875hp EMD 20-265H engine (again, entirely fictional, they only ever made a 12 and 16 cylinder version of the H engine, I don't think a 20 cylinder version was even considered). I was mainly trying out different styles of design, the large flared radiators and the 'dent' for the air intake and the dynamic brake grids.
It is designed to be bidirectional even though there's no way to see out of the cab. The drivers rely on a large LCD panel on the back wall of the cab with a live feed from a pair of cameras mounted under the radiators to see where they're going, a sort of psuedo window if you will. All windows and camera lenses are fitted with a 'lotus leaf' layer to disperse the water from them instead of relying on traditional wipers to do the job. I tried putting in some more modern tech type things into this as an experiment, though they're not really my strong point.
Anyway, that's enough rambling from me so let me know what you think of it (even if it's intentionally a little ugly)! I'm interested to know others opinions ^.=.^
Other pics of this thing, as usual, can be found here:
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is that the engine there in the back of the train?
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Not quite, it's attached to it though. It's an 8 stage (cylinder) air compressor (admittedly oversized and rediculous, most of the biggest loco's only use a 4 stage compressor, a lot of others even use a 3 stage) for the brakes that's turned by the crankshaft of the engine. It's very much like an engine with cylinders and pistons though ^.=.^
The main engine is behind the large set of doors near the middle
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V20, that's one big ass block of an engine! Would it be possible to give that thing 2 12-265Hs instead? (Or 2 12N-710G3B-ES 
I actually like the idea of that LCD+camera combination for running in the other direction. But how does failure management work? (For example: camera gets smashed while loco "removes" a semi trailer from the tracks) > 2nd engineer or assistant @ the front end radioing signal positios and other stuff?
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Yeah, big and completely rediculous!
That brings up some possibilities, previously I designed locos to whatever EMD's were on the market and then just some cool designs when I ran out of them, now that there's a whole new loading gauge to play with I think I can revisit some larger ideas I held off from, like you say with duel engines, and go nuts. Thing's like giant gensets with 8 cylinder 265's or 12's like you say. The class 66 engine is another idea, those have a real nice jet like noise to them and could be made into a kind of A/B unit set.
Failure management is a tricky one and why I held off for so long with more fragile technologies like that. The concept was having one camera for each person in te cab, mounted underneath the radiator blister and away from most harm. If one were to fail both false windows could be set to run off a single camera. I toyed with the idea of a 3rd backup camera too as a 'just in case' measure if both were to go kaput. Though mainly the idea is that if one were to fail the run could be completed and the camera repaired easily as a component swap out by a call out crew of when it returned to 'home base' (wherever that'd be). If all else failed it could limp home at reduced speed like you say with one person hanging off the front for signal sighting and the driver using the window to signt signals.
I did toy with the idea of an automatic signalling system where the loco picked up the state of the signal as it passed by and lit a set of lights in the cab to reflect but went against it in the end. Aomethign like that could be useful in the event of a full malfunction. Hmm, food for thought for the next model, cheers!
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If a V20 was fat and rediculous, it wouldn't be in production today. >> MTU 20v4000(R43) for BL36PH!!(It's a 94.4 litre loco engine 
On the other end of the line one can finde the TRAXX F-140 that got 4 "hearts". (4x Caterpillar C18) xD
So both ways can lead to sucess in loco construction (and sales)---- And I'm interrested in what you want to do with the 66 engine!
Keep up that different loading gauge stuff!
Failure management: Cameras in safe spots - that's alright then! The automatic signalling system should work. But maye on a more conventional way - As far as I know there are quite many signal systems that offer in-cab-display.
About going nuts: That would be like building a australianized 6TE10
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True, I forgot about those. They've recently started making their way into Aus too in the Chinese built SDA1's (CSR class for SCT Logistics, QBX class for QUBE Logistics and the BK for Bradken Rail). I'll have to look up those TRAXX F-140's though, they sound like an interesting critter.
I'm plotting so don't worry, something odd will probably be created in time XD
Hopefully the failure management would be enough for the real deal, I know they're starting to appear on the long hoods of a small handful of locos in Aus so they must be passable (even though they only use one, that makes me a little worried). As for the signalling systems, yeah there's probably better systems out there, I need to spend some time looking into them one day
6TE10's... those would be awesome! I have heard they trialed a 4TE10 but haven't found any pics or much info on it but I would bet it's be a bit of a beast of a thing! I might have to make my own take on something like that with 12N-710's now that I think about it...
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Oh, I didn't even know about the SDA1s! Interresting things!
Talking about TE10s.. don't forget about M62s!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_N5vG⦠Dat sound
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And VERY noisy in a world of heavily muffled engines, it's nice XD
It's a pity there's a few teething problems, aparrantly the 10 CSR's have been through 40 alternators in the few years they've been running and they were alll parked up for a fe monthe while they had asbestos insulation lagging removed from the coolant lines. I still like them though, they're something different to everything else that's out and about
Oh yeah, though I didn't know there were 2 unit ones until just a few weeks ago, let along a 3 part set! They're got a nice roar to them
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Teething problems .... Nothing elles to expect .... Chinese quality! Only reliable in doing something wrong. Like Breda(italy) did before they finally got bought earlier this year. So far I know, they have been the only producer of high speed trains which lost some of their bodywork when excelerating aboth 200 kph
By the way: Asbestos you say? Who the hell still uses asbestos today?
TE10: I remember finding a vid with 2 3TE10 on a super long coal train. Sadly, I didn't find it anymore...
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Hopefully quality improves with time but I guess we'll wait and see about that!
Ah, hmmm... I'm no expert on high speed rail but I don't think that should be coming off at any speed
Yeah, apparantly the inport ruling for Aus just has 'no asbestos' specified and it got lost in translation since in China, only blue asbestos is known as asbestos, white asbestos is just known by its mineral name (Chrysotile). Since they still mine and use the stuff they had no idea they were in breach of the rule and it didn't help that all the insulation lagging was supplied by a 3rd party who never actually saw the import documents (or probably didn't even know it was going into an export product) and the builder didn't even know they were putting a dangerous material into their locos.
It's not the first time, Great Wall Motors exported thousands of cars (like our family car...) with white asbestos in the engine gaskets. Eventually we had a recall envelope turn up on our doorstep after a year or two of owning it, saying our car engine is not to be worked on by anyone who's not a licenced Great Wall technition!
Aww, that's a shame, they sound great when working hard!
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Chinese quality+improvenemt=error. At least if they continue just copying every stuff. Copying some german train safetey equipment (but of course not properly) already caused a massive Hi-speed train crash.
Asbestos: Another example that china isn't quite as high tech and whise as they say they are.
Great wall: I'm impressed your family choose a chineese car! Over here nearly nobody drives theese things. So far I only saw a single chinese car in my neighbourhood (I think it was a Geely), but according to it's numberplates it came from Ukraine.
The reason for the diskile of theese cars over here might be some NCAP crash test results. (especially one that raised attention in media as it managed to reach 0 stars in each of the categories which rendered it the worst car ever tested)
I searched again for that vid. At least I found some nice partial replacement:
Here's a "4"TE10 (2x 2TE10) on a hill
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhZJ0Rβ¦
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Heh, true. Still though, it'll be interesting to see where things go quality wise. At least the SDA1's are better than some Chinese locomotive export horror stories of gearboxes failing on diesel hydraulics and taking 7 months to be replaced, only for the custom casting to shatter upon the locos shakedown trial out of th workshop..
And hmm, I haven't really read into that accident so I can't comment there. It's ineresting they managed to make it fail since it seems to be working in Germany.
I think the dollar signs that the corporations have in their eyes with China's manufacturing boom makes them a tad blind...
I think Great Wall's the first (and still only) Chinese motor company out here so we thought we'd give it a try. It's pretty nice in the suspension and steering but a tad underpowered for its size (It's an X240 4 wheel drive with a naturall asperated 2.something litre engine afterall). There's a few rough corners here and there like the windscreen wiper arms rusted pretty quickly whle the rest of the car doesn't show any signs of it or the radio doesn't like reading some MP3's when you plug in a USB drive. For the most part it seems to be a pretty robust car though, they've put their money where it countsΒ and I'm happy to say after 75,000+km's we have not had any mechanical issues at all and it's pretty solidly held together. They've still got a way to go until their cars are top notch quality but I'd say they're on their way, watch this space 
Thanks for the vid, the TE10's really have a presence about them!
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Accident: The principle "fail save" is one of the most important things in the railroad business. The software failed, crashed and stopped all trains properly. But they immedeatly restarted it again and it didn't register all trains on the network. Now instead of having some backup thing programmed that notices this error (less trains now than before, the german version has this), it simply started in normal operation again. that one train that didn't get registered stayed stopped at the tracks. No other backup system noticed it's existence because there was no such thing present. There should have been somebody overlooking the train operation. But this person didn't react or doidn't exist 
China railways - still a long way to the future. Even if they say something different.
Great wall: Okay, that seems solid then. At least more solit than the Jiangling Landwind. The car that hit the 3x0
Crash: Jep folding into themselves and so on. Because this piece of crap steel was better than another piece. Here 5 cm less, there some security savings. The main interrest is cheap. Sadly.
TE10:
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Oooohh, now that's a bit big of an oversight to leave in the system! I would have thought it'd have some kind of 'phone home' type of thing where the system would send out a call to all trains upon rebooting saying 'who's there' and they'd ping back where they all are regardless of other locating systems. A layered system is always best, if one fails another should be there to pick up the slack and by the sound sof it... the Chinese system was playing with fire with just one system. Even like you say, having a human being looking at what's where would have helped, even if 99% of the time they're just watching a screen for seemingly no reason, it's good to have them there just in case!
I had a look at some of the crash tests of those Landwinds and geeze, they just fold up! Scary stuff, I'd hope they wouldn't go out on the road like that and especially not hit the export market!
(Sorry for the late reply! My bad 
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