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I hate Giratina's face now. I had no idea how to do it, but I did my best.Anyway, since I don't know if I'll color this or not, how's about some insight?
During our discussions, ~sandragon13 and I covered the beginning of the Pokemon universe (I used the theories in the Arceus image), and we came to the conculsion that Giratina, despite popular belief, is not the Devil of the Pokemon World. In fact, we have him pegged as similar to Hades from Greek mythology and Anubis from Egyptian. He rules the afterlife as punishment for starting the fued between Kyorge and Groudon (that was the only thing I can think of that Arceus could have punished him for). Before he ruled over Life, and as things existed without Death, most of those created during his reign over Life were, and are still, immortal.
Ashamed of his banishment, Giratina hides himself from the world, along with the entrance to the Afterlife. As the world grew, Giratina's task of collecting the souls of the dead became much more complicated, and so he appointed a sect of Reapers, Dusknoir. However, there are souls that cannot be brought into the Afterlife due to their fates being tied to the world of the living in one way or another. The most profilic case being most Ghost Pokemon, and the ghost of the mother Marowak that haunted Lavendar Town.
Giratina has another underling in the Darkness Pokemon, Darkrai. Darkrai serves as a last resort for a soul that the Dusknoir cannot handle, and in return for his service, is allowed into the world of the living, where he delights in bringing humans and Pokemon alike Hellish nightmares.
Now I want to revisit Darkrai's design...
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That is an awesome explanation.
I mean, you got the whole point of Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, the reason for Ghost Pokemon, and the reason for Dusknoir's existense!
I feel that Darkrai could have a better story (say, he and Cresselia are the children of Lugia, battling over their inheritance of the moon?)
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Darkrai and Cresselia are still counterparts as gods of dreams and Moon. They both live under a higher god, though. Giratina for Darkrai, and I think it was Rayquaza for Cresselia.
Darkrai being a reaper allowed us a reason to give him a slightly benevolent side to match the movie portrayal and to make some ghosts seem more dangerous. If Darkrai can't get them, they're trouble. ^^
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Darkrai's the Pokemon of death? That would make his relationship with Cresselia like the interplay between the angels Gabriel and Azrael, almost.
And I suppose that is true (about the ghosts). Only the foulest and most dangerous of the foul and dangerous could be quick enough and potent enough to escape Death. Makes you wonder how Gengar gave 'im the slip.
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Something like that. ^^ It's just casting the PokeGods in ways that fit.
And for ghosts, I believe we put it as something like a reincarnation deal.
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Creepy. So my Gastly could really be the soul of my dead granma? 0_0
Or is it only Pokemon?
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I don't remember ever siding on either~
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So it could be both! D8
That's some crazy shit right there, in of itself.
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Oh yes~ The Pokemon becomes quite a bit more interesting (and scary) when you think about it a bit.
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Heck, they all do when you think too hard.
Like Magnemite. It's a robot, so how the heck could it become a pokemon (i.e. an animal)?
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AI gone wild is my guess. The original Magnemite drones spontaenously developed a growing since of sentience, and were able to teach themselves how to control magentism for defence and communication, how to "reproduce" in a sense, and how to evolve into Magneton. After exposure to Mt. Coronet, they learned to evolve into Magnezone.
That's my theory, anyway.
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And Voltorb the same, only some kind of "smart-bomb"? Cooool.
Do ya think the whole franchise takes place on Earth? I've heard some people say it takes place in Japan.
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It takes place on some alternate Earth, if anything. The regions I've heard line up with Japanese regions or islands, but the whole animal kingdom has been replaced by Pokemon.
A good clue to that is that humans are incredibly durable apparently (think of how many get hit by various elemental attacks and come out relatively fine) and bugs are massive by default. The show likely takes place in an alternate universe dealie.
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Really? That would never be able to explain where humans came from, though. Did they evolve from ancient Machoke over 7 million years ago, or did Arceus actually create them seperately?
I actually think it takes place on an alien planet, and the humans are far-future colonists.
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Actually, Machop's line has more traits with reptiles than mammals at times. If anything, I'd say humans evolved from something similar to Medicham,Hariyama and similar Humanshape Pokemon. I see the Pokemon that look like people and don't have an animal base as ape-like, myself.
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Oh. That would definitely raise some weird questions on the ethics of that.
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Yes. For example, would it be right to pit your own precursors in a fight to the death with some rock snake? It's even worse given that Pokemon are supposed to be all the same species.
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Well, Pokemon battles aren't fights to the deaths. It's a rather vicious sport at times, but the Pokemon's durablity would make it more like a rough game of hockey. Those who make it a blood sport are banned from being an official Pokemon Trainer. It may be rough, but they're are rules and regulations to keep Pokemon and Trainer alike relatively safe.
And, naming every Pokemon the same Species is like doing the same to every animal on earth. Pokemon are different species, just connected much closer than our animals are thanks to the Egg Groups.
And of course, someone effected by this sort of ethic issue will usually not become a true Trainer. Anyone can buy a Pokeball and catch something, or get a Pokemon as a gift, and have it as a pet instead of a battle partner. ^^
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I actually think there are 2 different ways it could go. Either Pokemon are ridiculously durable creatures (since "Flamethrower" and "Thunder" would destroy a normal animal) and/or do not bleed (otherwise Slask, and claw moves would have "added effects"), or that it really is as violent as it seems, Pokemon really do die (rather than faint), and the Pokeball keeps their physical information intact so they can be revived again and again and again.
And I'm not the one who came up with that. It's actually been made official that since Pokemon share very similar DNA, they're classified as the same species. It was in a Pokemon comic book or something of that nature.
...and this is an awesome convo I'm having. Seriously, you are awesome! ^^
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I always figure that the Pokemon are just that durable since most trainers start young and people are shown to bond with Pokemon so well. It'd be an awful world if the official rules involved a battle to the death, right? The referees are there to help make sure things don't go too far, and as Brock once learned in the show, a good trainer has to learn when to throw in the towel.
Pokemon probably do have similar DNA, as evidenced by the Egg Groups linking virtually everything in some way. But there's enough of a difference to call each line it's own species and then connect the lines for larger families by using the Egg Groups. ^^
And I like this sorta thinking. If you have an AIM or something like that, you'd be welcome to contact me for this sorta thing, too. ^^
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Nowadays (since Ash has taken the place of all the player characters) I haven't really looked to the TV show as much as the games. The way I see it, the Pokeball has enormous capabilities, able to convert certain creatures into energy and data, even allowing the capacity to store them in a computer. Also, if the Pokemon merely become unconscious, then what exactly does a Pokemon center do?
The thing with the species, I wish it weren't true. It just makes everything all the more confusing.
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The battles are still fairly tough. Think about it, the Pokemon are fainting due to the amount of damage they take, so the Pokemon Center's are still needed. Pokemon can be injured in battles, too, just the trainers and referees are there to make sure things don't go too far. ^^
Actually, the games make it even more complicated, since every Pokemon is a different species. Even Onix and Steelix are counted as different species, when they should just be different phases of the same.
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I notice you're refering to the TV show? I think that might be the only disagreement here. I'm looking at the games, while you're looking at the anime for this kind of stuff.
And I suppose the games are more complex that way, but I think maybe the anime merely simplified it.
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Actually, I'm combining both aspects due to the Pokemon League being an official tournament. I naturally assume that, like in the anime, there would be referees to keep these events in line. I look to the anime only for that aspect, while everything else is drawn from the games. I figure if the Leagues and the path to being a Pokemon Champion/Master are organized, the anime shows a decent way for that.
Other than that, the anime is useless to me. I prefer the games due to the fact that they tend to be...well, more serious about the concept. Just don't want to imagine that kids are going out and making animals fight to the death constantly.
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Ohh. Well, I've taken to looking at what the game offers. There's no referee present in gameplay, so I assume the matters of the rules are kept in mind by the trainers, like a samurai duel or something like that. Since there are people like Maylene (who don't know how they became a Gym Leader), I assumed that the various titles were passed on from generation to generation, unless there was a test to replace each Champion, like a big contest.
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The passing of titles is a good point. I've never seen anything hint at how you gain any title besides Champion. I figure the referees n the gyms in E4 would help enforce the rules, especially at the beginning of a Trainer's journey. It's likely that a new trainer is given a run down of the rules of battle, and that referees may be present, but only participate if needed/requested.
Older trainers could give advice to refresh a novice's memory of the rules before they actually begin a match.
You know what question the game brings up? Where does the money come from at the end of a match? I mean, I highly doubt these kids are running around with that kind of cash, so maybe the League actually funds a winning trainer, using the Pokedex to access something like a digital account.
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The money's probably some sort of prize. I like to think each trainer carries some sort of DS or Gameboy-like device that lets the moves be called quickly enough, and this device calculates things like the amount of money paid to the winner.
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I always looked at it like the anime, where the Pokemon are giving vocal commands by their trainers, but need to be trained to be able to move on their own when waiting on a trainer's command.
The money being determined by the fight does seem like a good idea, though. The better you do, the more you get when you win? Seems like a decent way to make being a Trainer a career of sorts, too.
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I've always thought battles went much faster than both the games and the anime. Normal dog fights and canary fights are very fast-paced, no doubt Pokemon fight the same. Maybe the Trainer yells each attack real quick?
And yes, it would. It'd also explain how a 13 year old boy could manage to survive homeless
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I'd think that the commands are shouted, but that again, most Pokemon will act on their own until commanded. In case of really exceptional trainers, and Psychic specialists, can probably match their commands to their Pokemon much, much better.
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Woah. Those Psychic people now seem like total weirdos to fight now.
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If their psychic powers are high enough, the could even give most commands telepathically instead of calling them, which would make someone like Sabrina a real challenge to battle.
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Imagine battle a trainer who could give their Pokemon psychic commands. You'd have no way to read them and would have to think up strategies and commands on the fly, and you're Pokemon would need to be just as quick on their toes to try and avoid attacks they can't see coming until their being used on them.
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Talk about quick thinking! Sweet Jesus Mew, that'd be a difficult match!
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Yep. Which makes it funny when you remember how overly powerful the Psychic type was in the first Gen~
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Aye. Now, it's Dark type that's overly powerful...
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Nah, Dark is pretty balanced. Most of the Dark types are pretty lack luster when it comes down to stats and movepools, I'd say...Dragon tends to feel like the overly powerful ones, since despite the usual huge Ice weakness, most of very verisitle and can hit extremely hard. Garchomp is a fine example of a Dragon type being utterly dominating if you aren't prepared for it.
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Yes. Garchomp is one broken little bastard.
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That was an interesting convo~ Thanks for showing an interest in what this crazy thinks.
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Very interesting theory there... And nice job on the picture.
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Thank you. ~sandragon13 and I have been doing discussions to come up with theories such as this one.
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I made one up myself, it's not like yours, though. It's quite different, I think.
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Thank you. I may have a surprise for you and and other Naruto G crew pretty soon. >.>
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oh, really?!!! HOW KOOL!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!
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Giratina is my ... third favorite legendary of sinnoh. (my first and second are Azelf and Palkia)
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My favorites from Sinnoh are Arceus and the three dragons.
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facinating...
what are your favorite legendaries from the other regions?
Mine are Articuno, Raikou/Entei/Suicune, and speed Deoxys
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