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Published: 2017-10-18 12:23:22 +0000 UTC; Views: 8718; Favourites: 47; Downloads: 22
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Which means poet Ahmed Nedim and his infidel boy. This is my translation of Nedim ’s 41 ghazal (lyrical poem) about an androgynous ‘infidel’ young man. In fact, ottoman poetry was pretty homoerotic.

1. Kafir, you have destroyed the realm of patience, are you Hulagu Khan?
Ah, you infidel! Is that you who devastated the World by igniting it with your fire?

2. Your coquetry is like a shyness of a girl, but your voice, like the voice of a tall young man!
Infidel! You are a disaster, because I do not even know if you are a girl or a young man.

3. Show what those satin tears on his shoulder mean?
Kafir! Is this why you are a burning flame, which burns the lovers by beauty?

4. What all these secret sighs and collars torn mean?
Infidel! Far from joyfulness are you moaning about your lover?

5. Who are you, my soul or my beloved? Say a word!
Who are you, tell the truth: lover or a beloved? Are you that infidel?

6. The pleasure of a fiery red wine flashed on your face.
Kafir! Are you that intoxicated lamp of the assembly?

7. Hey, why do you look in a smooth mirror so often?
Infidel! You still admire your beauty all the time?

8. I heard that an unbeliever took the miserable Nedim as a captive,
Are you that executioner of religion, the very enemy of faith, oh infidel?

Art by ©Elveo | Original turkish:

1. Tahammül mülkünü yıkdın Hülâgû Han mısın kâfir
Aman dünyâyı yakdın âteş-i sûzan mısın kâfir

2. Kız oğlan nâzı nâzın şeh-levend âvâzı âvâzın
Belâsın ben de bilmem kız mısın oğlan mısın kâfir

3. Ne ma'nî gösterir dûşundaki ol âteşîn atlas
Ki ya'ni şu'le-i can sûz-ı hüsn ü ân mısın kâfir

4. Nedir bu gizli gizli âhlar çâk-ı girîbanlar
Aceb bir şûha sen de âşık-ı nâlan mısın kâfir

5. Sana kimisi cânım kimi cânânım deyü söyler
Nesin sen doğru söyle can mısın cânan mısın kâfir

6. Şarâb-ı âteşînin keyfi rûyun şu'lelendirmiş
Bu hâletle çerâğ-ı meclis-i mestan mısın kâfir

7. Niçün sık sık bakarsın böyle mir'ât-ı mücellâya
Meger sen dahı kendi hüsnüne hayran mısın kâfir

8. Nedîm-i zârı bir kâfir esîr etmiş işitmişdim
Sen ol cellâd-ı dîn düşmen-i îman mısın kâfir 

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Comments: 18

CORVUSTears [2017-11-07 14:10:58 +0000 UTC]

OMG, they're so sweet together I love boy's eyes and his necklace with crucifix... BTW, I've read the interview at your Tumblr blog (fatihfrumos.tumblr.com/post/16… ). How do you think, will it appear in Polish? Or English?

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Elveo In reply to CORVUSTears [2017-11-11 15:06:18 +0000 UTC]

Sadly, that book has been written like 7 years ago and till now, nobody was interested besides me and few LGBT sites, so I fear only a wonder can work something. You know, even for West this subject is sensitive. It's like don't ask, don't tell, everybody knows, but everybody is silenced.  Sometimes I dream about a good book or a movie on this matter, but it's only dreams  

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CORVUSTears In reply to Elveo [2017-11-11 15:30:50 +0000 UTC]

I think exactly the same way about this... Don't cry, darling: I promise that one day I will write a beautiful novel about LGBT, I promise   

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Elveo In reply to CORVUSTears [2017-11-16 13:51:58 +0000 UTC]

Let's hope, hope is the last thing we have *sighs*

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CORVUSTears In reply to Elveo [2017-11-16 19:15:43 +0000 UTC]

I agree... I hope that one day homophobia and racism will turn to dust and ashes... That will be my dream come true  

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Elveo In reply to CORVUSTears [2017-11-18 18:22:53 +0000 UTC]

Sounds like utopia, yet, we have the chance to make the perfect World inside ourselves.

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CORVUSTears In reply to Elveo [2017-11-18 19:21:18 +0000 UTC]

I agree... We just need to fight! 

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Elveo In reply to CORVUSTears [2017-11-25 12:01:22 +0000 UTC]

Indeed!  

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CORVUSTears In reply to Elveo [2017-11-11 15:26:46 +0000 UTC]

I think exactly the same... Don't cry dear: I'm sure that one day I will write historical book about LGBT   Really, I promise! But... I still hope that one day I will buy this book in Polish  

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christ8ph [2017-10-19 08:42:39 +0000 UTC]

You are experimenting with the artistic styles? I think you do this in a very successful way. I like these warm, vibrant, impressionistic colours!

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Elveo In reply to christ8ph [2017-10-24 12:17:24 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I just wanted some speed-painting since I have so many other plans on writing and drawing about homoerotic Orient  
Благодаря! 

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christ8ph In reply to Elveo [2017-10-25 05:05:01 +0000 UTC]

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Elveo In reply to christ8ph [2017-10-29 07:01:25 +0000 UTC]

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Hermetic-Wings [2017-10-18 12:33:47 +0000 UTC]

Şiiri bilmiyordum, ama Nedim'in bir aşk adamı olduğundan haberim vardı. Hem bu şiiri keşfetmeme yardım ettiğin için ve hem de böyle güzel bir çalışma ile onu hafızalara kazıdığın için teşekkürler. Eline sağlık

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Elveo In reply to Hermetic-Wings [2017-10-18 13:30:59 +0000 UTC]

Nedim'in çok güzel şiirleri var . Bu ingilizce çeviri
Kemal Silay'ın makalesi de iyi 
Çok yorum için teşekkür ederim!

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Hermetic-Wings In reply to Elveo [2017-10-21 20:06:25 +0000 UTC]

Özellikle Kemal Sılay'ı bir kaç kez okudum. Çok teşekkür ederim. fırsat bulup konu ile alakalı bşka linkler de gönderebilirseniz memnunşyetle okurum
İyi bir hafta sonu geçirmen dileğiyle

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Elveo In reply to Hermetic-Wings [2017-10-24 12:25:05 +0000 UTC]

Harika! şansım varsa...
Ey, size de

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Hermetic-Wings In reply to Elveo [2017-10-24 20:20:41 +0000 UTC]

Eğer yüklediğiniz o birbirinden güzel ve enteresan eserlerin notlar kısmını, ilgili konular dışında meşgul etmeyelim derseniz. Not kısmını da kullanabiliriz
iyi geceler

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