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OrderlyMenace [2018-11-03 19:15:58 +0000 UTC]
Here is a poem for you:
"I have a pet snail,Β
his name is Baxter.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT HIS ANATOMY
UNTIL I SAW THIS BASTARD!"
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OrderlyMenace In reply to Eurwentala [2018-11-04 19:50:42 +0000 UTC]
no problem! It's actually really intriguing to know that such complexity could be within something so small.
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Edo555 [2018-09-21 13:39:36 +0000 UTC]
Vine snails - helix pomatia can make some noises. Like blowing bubles. I guess, they don't know it. But maybe it is of some use. Or maybe it is just side effect of breathing (they do throught the hole behind the shell).
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Eurwentala In reply to Edo555 [2018-09-22 13:41:58 +0000 UTC]
That's interesting! I have never heard them make noises, but I have only seen them a few times. They're pretty rare in Finland.
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Edo555 In reply to Eurwentala [2018-10-01 15:46:18 +0000 UTC]
It's sounds like opening wet lips. Probably it's just side effect of breathing and not an intended noises.
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Edo555 [2018-09-21 13:35:17 +0000 UTC]
They could be smarter than they looks. In the garden I took vine snail and then placed back. He probably didn't liked it. After a day it disapeared from garden and is not seen. I tought it was slow. But night was enought to get from there.
Alsou some snails can use their shells to attack predatory beatles. With lack of speed they should have some secret ways of survival.Β
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Jdailey1991 [2018-08-19 04:51:33 +0000 UTC]
I have nothing personal against Gastropoda, but the fact that each species is classified in multiple clades just irks me off.
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Jdailey1991 In reply to Eurwentala [2018-08-19 14:15:11 +0000 UTC]
Take, for example, Cornu aspersum, the garden snail.Β It is classified under five clades simultaneously.Β For a worldbuilder like me trying to select a mass extinction casualty list, this is just too much, so I decided to eliminate Gastropoda entirely in my alternate Earth's first extinction event and get it over with.
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Eurwentala In reply to Jdailey1991 [2018-08-19 17:47:22 +0000 UTC]
Oh, I took a look at Wikipedia and see what you mean now. But all other taxa are classified under piles of unranked clades too. They are just not usually listed that way.
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Eurwentala In reply to Jdailey1991 [2018-08-20 07:18:55 +0000 UTC]
Yeah - that's the problem with trying to use Linnaean taxonomy in a world where evolution happens. When you think of a family tree - a phylogeny - of organisms, there can be any number of branches. However, the Linnaean system only allows us to give ranked clades to a set number of them (species, genus, family, order...). Some can be added (infraorders, subfamilies etc.), but it's still hopelessly inadequate. So, in modern systems, there are always piles of unranked clades in addition to the traditionally ranked ones.
Maybe it's easier to grasp with a familiar animal. Say, a raven. It belongs into a genus (Corvus), a subfamily (Corvinae), and a family (Corvidae), but after that it gets complicated. A raven is simultaneously classified under all these clades, each fitting within the next:
Corvioidea
Corvides (infraorder)
Passeri (suborder)
Passeriformes (order)
Passerimorpha
Psittacopasserae
Eufalconimorphae
Australaves
Telluraves
Inopinaves
Neoaves (superorder)
Neognathae (infraclass)
Aves (class)
Ornithurae
Ornithuromorpha
Euornithes
Ornithothoraces
Avialae
Averaptora
Eumaniraptora
Paraves
Pennaraptora
Maniraptora
Maniraptoriformes
Coelurosauria
Avetheropoda
Tetanurae
Averostra
Neotheropoda
Theropoda (suborder)
And so on: we could go back all the way to the domain Archaea. But even within this small set, we managed to classify the raven under 23 unranked clades (and in two suborders at the same time, highlighting the problems of the Linnaean system). Five for the garden snail seems fairly manageable, right?
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VPGD [2018-08-16 07:16:39 +0000 UTC]
snakes are soooo french!
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Goldenheart345 In reply to ChibiChick21 [2018-08-16 08:52:12 +0000 UTC]
Yeah! Most terrestrial gastropods are hermaphrodites! However, many of the aquatic snails and slugs actually have separate genders, evolution works in crazy ways sometimes, huh?
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PJToon75 [2018-08-15 20:27:53 +0000 UTC]
This is both intriguing and fascinating. Coming from a person who draws snails from time to time. Impressive work. πππ
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Random223 [2018-08-15 19:42:18 +0000 UTC]
I had a Brehm book in the library when I was like 8 or 10. It had images just like this. You made me feel a kid again - curiosity - Thank you!
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Starfoxfanatic4ever [2018-08-15 19:10:09 +0000 UTC]
Next time a creationist says animals have uniformity of structure, or tha tales and females evolved separately, show them this.
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WillemSvdMerwe [2018-08-15 18:09:29 +0000 UTC]
Great work, I've always loved snails and slugs!Β Most amazing slug I've ever seen was big, banana-yellow, and with holes in its side (spiracles or pneumostomes likely) into which you could see right inside it at the spongy kind of lung tissue!
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Eurwentala In reply to KirbyFan99 [2018-08-15 18:01:34 +0000 UTC]
The genital opening is right at the back of it's head, so perhaps at the border between the head and the foot would be right. Weird things, in any case. You can see the location fairly well in this photo: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mating_oβ¦
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Philoceratops In reply to KirbyFan99 [2018-08-15 17:20:55 +0000 UTC]
Could you call it a literal dickhead?
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Philoceratops In reply to KirbyFan99 [2018-08-15 18:03:00 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, starfish are also hemaphroditic...
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Philoceratops In reply to KirbyFan99 [2018-08-15 18:27:04 +0000 UTC]
It means having both male and female sex organs, snails and starfish are a good example!
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Philoceratops [2018-08-15 12:57:57 +0000 UTC]
Snails are such odd fellows, especially with the whole "love dart" thing. It's very nice that you're making these, I really don't know much about anatomy outside of mammals, so this is very helpful!
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Eurwentala In reply to Philoceratops [2018-08-15 18:03:58 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! When you get used to vertebrate anatomy, there's an endless treasure trove of weirdness in invertebrates. Ears on their legs, penises on their heads, ring-shaped brains circling their throat, everything.
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Philoceratops In reply to Eurwentala [2018-08-15 22:33:45 +0000 UTC]
Oh, and which invertebrates are you describing?
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Eurwentala In reply to Philoceratops [2018-08-16 06:46:58 +0000 UTC]
Those would have been grasshoppers, snails, and octopuses. Basically, the octopus throat is inside their brain. And all of the arms have their separate little brains and seem to be semi-autonomous.
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Philoceratops In reply to Eurwentala [2018-08-15 18:34:00 +0000 UTC]
As for vertebrates, turtles urinating from their mouths, prehistoric bovids with bony nasal chambers, ducks with penisesΒ twice their size (and deceptive vaginas to combat this), albatrosses with salt glands in their eyebrows, leatherback sea turtles with spiky throats, prehistoric monitors with 4 eyes, cave salamanders with no digestive tracts, sauropod dinosaurs with spines on their cervical vertebrae, gulpers resorbing their skeletons and teeth to produce calcium for their eggs, and male anglerfish basically being parasitic testicles.
Well, it's kinda clear who wins here...
Damned invertebrates.
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Eurwentala In reply to Evodolka [2018-08-15 18:05:13 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, it looks surprisingly full of stuff when illustrated this way. Then again, mollusks are masters at fitting into things they certainly should not fit.
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Philoceratops In reply to Eurwentala [2018-08-15 18:42:48 +0000 UTC]
Oh lord, octopuses are pretty much the definitive mollusks...
Being able to squeeze through holes the size of a quarter (22 mm) is the most amazing thing about these guys to me.
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Philoceratops In reply to Evodolka [2018-08-15 18:39:12 +0000 UTC]
Think of all the things you could do...
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VanishingSilence [2018-08-15 12:12:41 +0000 UTC]
Now I really want to see a shell less snail.
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