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This is the eighth character profile for my Wonder Woman: The Animated Series concept.Design-wise, I opted for really sticking with her classic red bodysuit and keeping it more age appropriate by showing less skin than my previous takes on her. The suit itself has the aesthetic that's in line with the current comics and the DCEU Amazons. Hair-wise, I tried to really reference how Phil Jimenez and George Perez have drawn her hair. I also gave her a bo staff for some reason. I guess I was thinking of Gabrielle from Xena and also of the many sparring matches Donna would have with Starfire using staffs.
As always, I love hearing from you all so please leave a comment below letting me know your thoughts. Also, please feel free to suggest voice actresses that you feel would suit this character.
Enjoy!
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Thanks. Great hair is essential to any Donna Troy look.
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You are welcome. c;
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I really want to know more about the Titans team Donna leads. I love the idea of her being a leader, which I think she saw briefly shortly before the Judas Contract, before Dick Grayson became Nightwing.
As for your origin... Donna's always been a mess when it comes to her history and I think I favor her backstory from the New Teen Titans, about being an orphan rescued by Diana. Humble beginnings, a mysterious heritage, and a heroic older sister. But that's just my preference.
Cassie was actually the first Wonder Girl I was exposed to, but I definitely prefer Donna. She's one of my favorite Titans and I especially love her relationships within the team, her friendships with Dick and Kory. Then again, I'm a sucker for that sort of thing.
Donna deserves more exposure and her cameo at the end of The Judas Contract animated movie is a start. There are rumors about her in the live-action Titans series and I hope they're true.
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Know more as in, my concept? Or the actual canon stories where she's leader of the team?
If I recall correctly, Donna's rescue by Diana preceded the New Teen Titans. It was merely elaborated upon further, but was retconned shortly thereafter.
It's interesting to me that you began with "as for your origin," but didn't actually discuss it (or the art for that matter).
I do hope that Donna is indeed added to the new Titans show and that they cast her right. I'm happy to see that they may go with a Latinx actor since that was what I wanted. Hopefully she'll be around Starfire's age so their friendship can stay intact.
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Your concept. I am intetested in your ideas before you scrapped the project.
The New Teen Titans was how I was introduced to Donna and her backstory. She soon became a personal favorite of mine.
Sorry about not discussing your design and such. It's great, like the rest of your stuff and you once again manage to give the character a nice spin. There's something about your stuff that I can't help but appreciate.
I agree with you about the live-action Titans show and Donna. I too really want to see that friendship kept intact. What I love about the Titans are their characters and their relationships. It's what helps Donna stand out to me. Her strong friendships within the group. I'm a sucker for that stuff, I'll admit.
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Since all of the projects I do are heavily researched, I didn't actually have any ideas for the Titans one as I didn't finish all the reading I intended to do. All I know is that it would have relied almost exclusively on the Wolfman-Perez era and that Donna was the leader. My more recent ideas, unrelated to a Titans animated series, focus on a different group (excising Raven, Starfire, Beast Boy, and Cyborg in favour of Arsenal, Herald, Bumblebee, and Aquagirl).
There were two backstories afforded to Donna by Wolfman and Perez though. For me, I try to be a bit more critical in terms of how I look at origins. Meaning, I try to go for what I think works in the grand scheme of things rather than just going with whatever the origin was when I was introduced to a character. Nostalgia can be one hell of a pair of rose-coloured glasses, so I always try to take those off.
Any specifics (re: her design/backstory here)? Specifics in feedback is always what is most helpful. An "it's great" doesn't do much in terms of guiding me in where I can improve, what I should do more of, and what works.
The friendship between the Titans is something that I think is appealing as well. That's why I'm often disappointed by how little we have in the way of the original five together in the media. They're iconic to me and have so much chemistry (I'd argue more than the New Teen Titans grouping), but we haven't seen that in any modern adaptations. I get that people have mad love for Starfire, Raven, Beast Boy, and Cyborg, but it would be nice if some other Titans got some love for once.
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I understand why people like the New Teen Titans line-up so much, because of how much it affected comics. Cyborg and Deathstroke were introduced. Dick Grayson became Nightwing. Jason Todd was introduced because Dick was being used in the New Teen Titans. But I really do want a new version of the team besides Beast Boy, Cyborg, Raven, Robin, and Starfire.
I'm not big on the backstory, especially the prothecy aspect since the "fated to defeat (fill in blank)" is a bit cliched and overdone. I really like the design though. Pratical, effective, cool-looking... though I think a redesign with the pony tail Donna used to have could be cool.
As much as I love classics like Beast Boy, Cyborg, Raven, and Starfire, I do agree with you. Though I am open to seeing them in the live-action Titans series, since that's a medium that they haven't explored yet. But we're also getting Hawk and Dove. And possibly Arsenal and Donna. I am open to seeing new versions of the characters, like perhaps a Starfire without those speech patterns from the cartoons that are really driving me nuts. I love the 2000s animated series, but I don't want them to set the standards on how these characters are done. After all, the comics came first...
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The fanbase of the Teen Titans, specifically the New Teen Titans version of it, is split into two. I think you have older fans who loved the Wolfman-Perez comics and then you have newer ones who were introduced to the team via the cartoon. I think both fanbases have different reasons for liking the group and tend to have conflicting ideas on how they should be portrayed.
Chosen One narratives are indeed cliche, but you also have to take into account who gets to be the lead in those narratives. White boys and girls have been the stars of those stories for decades, but we've really yet to get around to seeing any people of colour at the centre of them. That's where I was coming from with Donna since she's Latinx in my head canon. That said, I'm still open for suggestions and construction criticism for how I can make it less generic given your aversion to the backstory I've given her.
I don't think we're going to get a dippy space cheerleader version of Starfire in the live action series, so that's not something to be concerned with. What I mean when I bring up the original Titans is specifically their relationships as a group. I feel the same regarding the original X-Men. We haven't seen these friendships done in adaptations. We've seen both Wally and Roy a lot in adaptations already. We have multiple versions of them. That's not the issue. The issue is not getting to see their relationships. For example, Donna, Starfire, and Cheshire are Roy's canonical love interests from the comics (though I'm reticent to use that term in context with Cheshire). However, we've only seen the stuff with Cheshire in adaptations.
But yes, I'm totally with you in regards to not wanting the cartoon to be the singular standard for the Titans. We should get multiple takes and versions on the team just as Batman has received over the years. As the X-Men have.
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I like different versions of the Titans and I'm generally very open to new interprerations. I always appreciate new versions and takes on characters that I love. It's something that I can admire and respect as a writer. Something fresh instead of the same thing over and over again. I love both the Teen Titans comic and animated series, for different reasons.
Villains targeting potential future threats is fine. But doing it because destiny says so... Chosen Ones in general is just a tired concept, one I try to avoid. I prefer characters doing stuff because they choose to, not because they're pawns of fate.
Well, Cheshire/Roy is an interesting dynamic. The hero/villain ship has always been fun to play around with, the "Dating Catwoman" trope. And if it brings Lian Harper into the canon, I'm not complaining. XD You do make a good point though. As mentioned, I love Donna's friendships. Seeing some Donna/Roy in an adaptation would be interesting and I remember that you dislike Dick/Kory, though a lot of people dislike Kory/Roy because of Red Hood and the Outlaws, a series I actually like and don't mind.
Batman is a great example. I love dark Batman, like the Burton duology, and I love campy Batman, like the Brave and the Bold. More than one version of Batman can exist. So more than one version of the Titans should exist. Which is why I'm looking forward to the live-action Titans series.
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That's refreshing. Not everyone has that kind of perspective. Most folks want their favourite characters or franchises to remain the same as they were when they were introduced to them.
Yes, but that doesn't help me much. So, it's cliched, what do I do to change that? I'm not really portraying Donna as a pawn of fate. She has her own autonomy. As for Thia, she's part of an old school. You have to remember the context involved re: Titans vs Olympians. Of course, I'm not here to try and convince you that what I did was good since it's clear you don't like it at all. So, advice and direction would be helpful.
People don't like Roy and Kory just because they prefer her with Dick. Roy was a better boyfriend than Dick was. Dick is such a huge jerk.
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I'm a writer and I appreciate change. It's why I love DC headcanons like yours.
I'll think of helpful advice. Though the old school idea is an interesting one. Makes sense considering the villain. You could actually do interesting things with that. With that in context, I don't mind it so much.
And Roy is certainly a good father... I miss Lian. Anyway, I'm fine with Kory/Roy. I'm very open to shipping in general. And is it surprising that Dick is a jerk, considering his mentor? XD
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I'll reiterate, not everyone is like that. It's a rare gift to appreciate change.
If you do think of any suggestions or directions, please let me know! I'm always looking to improve and if her backstory isn't great then I need to make sure I do her justice.
I haven't read a whole lot with Lian in it, to be honest.
Of course not! I 100% see a lot of Bruce in the way Dick treats others. Like, this is a guy who had the nerve to sleep with Barbara Gordon and was then like "Oh yeah, by the way, Starfire and I are getting married. Want to come to the wedding?" Jerk.
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What? Did Dick really do that? He's really living up to his nickname...
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Yup. You can read about that and his other jerk moves here - www.cbr.com/dick-moves-15-time…
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Yeah... he's not a good person. Doesn't mean he shouldn't have fans or anything like that. It just shows us that he's a flawed character with a lot of issues that need to be addressed.
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I agree. I still like Dick. I mean there's a bunch of characters I like that have done horrible things. But that's the great thing about new versions of the character. Some flop, others don't. The list does point out legimate issues, especially with his relationship with Starfire, but it also presents opportunities for character development that one could take advantage of.
What are your thoughts on the other Robins?
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It would be nice if writers actually leaned into him being a jerk and addressed his behaviour. Those confrontations would be interesting.
Robins? I like them all and how they contrast one another. Oddly enough, I think there's a strong queer undercurrent with most of them.
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Like Tim Drake's friendship with Connor and Jason Todd's friendship with Roy?
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Yes. I think Damian is coded a bit queer as well. Steph's friendship with Cass could be skewed queer as well.
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I'll admit that I ship Cass with Steph. XD
A side effect of being exposed to the comics is the shipping.
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There are many friendships that have a significant fanbase that see them as ships. I'm always here for it when they're same sex ships.
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Yeah. There's a reason Harley/Ivy is probably my favorite DC couple...
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They're a canonical couple though. I'm referring to non-canon ships.
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I still love the two as a couple. And if you're talking about non-canon ships, then I'm Barbara/Kara all the way.
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I think Babs and Dinah are the more popular ship. I think this is due to subtext in the comics and approval from Gail Simone.
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Yeah, I like them too. Gail Simone's influence definitely helps.
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Since you've only indicated interest in same sex ships between women, what are the ones you ship between male characters?
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Here's a few...
Batman/Joker (likely one-sided) XD
Booster Gold/Ted Kord
Jason Todd/Roy Harper
And on the Marvel side... Spider-Man/Human Torch
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Those are certainly all quite popular ones. Definitely faves within the queer nerd community. I think even Catwoman buys the Batman/Joker ship. She made a comment about it during Death of the Family.
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I forgot Catman/Deadshot as well!
(forehead slap)
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I like that one too.
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For me, I've always been kind of neutral to Donna as a character. Wonder Girl will always be Cassie Sandsmark for me. I just love that girl. Personally, I kind of like the idea of Donna being a "Titan Diana". And her being raised by the Amazon's alongside Diana is fine in my book. But, I would like it if Donna were raised by an Amazonian couple OTHER than Hippolyta and Philipus. It's kind of an interesting idea. I mean, why should Hippolyta be the only "lucky one". I'd like to see the Amazonian's reactions to a non-royal house family getting to raise a child as well. What kind of repercussions would that have on the Amazonian society and the tensions within it?
That being said, I really like Donna's physical design here. Helps distinguish her from Diana without completely separating their connection. And I like the idea of an Amazonian that's trained in staff-fighting so that helps out more. Though, does the silver lasso grant have any special abilities? Like how Diana's compels Truth and Cassie's compels Anger? Or is that the "laryat of- whatever that word is"? I kind of like the idea of the Wonder-Ladies each having their own lasso with its own special power. Anyways, really liking these so far!
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Since this series begins with Diana's early years as Wonder Woman, it only makes sense for Donna to be Wonder Girl. Besides, I've made it no secret that I can't stand (Pre-Flashpoint) Cassandra Sandsmark, so it shouldn't be a surprise that I haven't gone out of my way to include her.
Again, who said Hippolyta was the only Amazon to raise children? That's an assumption on your part.
To answer your question, I recommend reading the "powers/ability" section closer as the answer is right there.
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Yeah, I know Donna was Wonder Girl first and have no problems with her being as such. I still prefer Cassie, though.
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I'd probably like Cassie more if she were someone else's sidekick. As is, she doesn't represent what Wonder Woman stands for and believes in. She's mean, selfish, short-sighted and approaches every problem with force rather than diplomacy. This contrast between her and Diana was no more evident than in their approach to Silver Swan. Diana felt guilt and a responsibility to save her, while Cassie just wanted to beat her to a pulp and make snide Mean Girl comments at Vanessa's expense.
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Look at it from Cassie's point of view though. Vanessa attacked her, tried to kill Diana and IIRC actually succeeded in killing a few of Cassie's classmates. And this is in their first meeting. Diana was nicer to Vanessa because she knew her before she became the Silver Swan while Cassie had no prior history with her and her first impression of this other girl is a sneering, murderous super villain.
I should point out that Cassie is more of a problematic character in the New 52. She was much better in Young Justice and Byrne's run.
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Why do we have to centre Cassie's point of view? She's a privileged heterosexual white woman who, up until that point, has not experienced any trauma on the same level as Vanessa. I just don't think she has the range or the empathy.
The trash John Byrne run isn't exactly something worth touting around as being superior to anything or a source to reference. Beyond how problematic he is, Cassie was little more than a facsimile of Vanessa.
I think Cassie is such a weird hill for people to die on. Folks go out of their way to stan for her, but there's nothing overly unique or progressive about her. For Wonder Woman to exist in the 21st century, her stories and characters must be intersectional. Cassie doesn't fulfil that need.
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I haven't really read that story so I can't say for sure. Most of my experience is from her time in the Teen Titans.
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There's always a schism between team book vs. Wonder Woman's title. Characterization can be very inconsistent, especially with Cassie. She came into existence as a carbon copy of Vanessa Kapatelis and became Wonder Girl without earning it first (which drew a lot of ire from fans). Some even called her the "horse-faced Wonder Girl" because of how John Byrne drew her. She started out as this plucky tween tomboy who just wanted to help Wonder Woman and developed into a more assertive glamour girl with mean girl tendencies. It was also interesting to see how the whole Superboy thing played out. Both she and Cassandra Cain had crushes on him (IIRC), but he chose the pretty blond girl instead of the shy girl (typical!). The two are all hot and heavy until he dies, then she goes and kisses his best friend while the grave was still fresh. Oh Cassie... She's such a hot mess. Haha!
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Ok, to be fair, she didn't start getting interested in Tim until around a year after Conner die.
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Yeah, that still doesn't get a pass from me. I'm not trash like that.
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I personally love Donna as Wondergirl and it's sad that she doesn't get much spotlight than she deserves. I love the staff and how you designed her to have that feminine teenage beauty, yet she still has that "I can kick your ass" look to her face. Well done and I hope eventually she will appear in an animated film besides her cameo in Judas Contract.
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Aw, thank you so much! I appreciate the feedback regarding her design and the art itself.
It's especially disappointing that Donna didn't appear in the Judas Contract adaptation largely since she was the leader of the Titans at the onset of that storyline in the comics. Both Dick and Wally had abandoned the team, leaving her to keep them together while one of their most dangerous foes enacted what's gone down as one of the most iconic betrayal schemes in comic book history.
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Well with Young Justice returning, I wonder if she will appear or be mentioned at any point. I really don't care for Cassie all that much. :/ Is Cassie part of your animated series concept also?
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She was supposed to during the first two seasons since the legal red tape had cleared up during production, but they reneged on that one.
No, Cassie will not be shown or seen as part of this current project.
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What was the legal red tape?
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There was an embargo surrounding Wonder Woman and her derivatives (i.e. Wonder Girl). Allegedly, they could not use Wonder Woman or Wonder Girl in animation unless they were the star of the show. According to Paul Dini, "There’s kind of a licensing problem: if we wanted to do Wonder Woman as a series, we could do that, [but] if it was a guest-shot, it was a little more problematic." This meant that they could not use either character as a guest star or even as part of an ensemble. They were able to find a way around this for Justice League, possibly as they successfully argued that she was one of the seven stars of the show. This was a deal that allegedly went into effect sometime in the late 1980s and never quite got fixed until sometime around 2009-2010 (which allowed Wonder Woman to appear as a guest star in Batman: The Brave & The Bold and Young Justice).
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Any further feedback beyond that? It'd be greatly helpful.
For her portrayal, what voice actresses would you recommend as Wonder Girl?
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