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Gael2021 [2023-01-17 23:37:05 +0000 UTC]
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SAJ-Man [2017-09-21 21:59:05 +0000 UTC]
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So um, epic doesn't quite do this justice, but it's the closest word I've got to accurately describe this incredible scene. I mean, this is spectacular!
Composition is good, I see what you did with the hand shake and the thumbs up being in the relative center of the frame. :> Everything is nicely drawn and proportioned though I will say the arms on Sonic look inconsistent. The one closest to the viewer is a noodle, the one holding the emerald has a defined elbow. Seems a little weird, but honestly that's not a huge deal. Still, watch for that in the future, there's nothing wrong with noodle arms or jointed arms, just choose one and stick with it. ^^
What's also neat is how you have Sonic and Shadow completely on one side of the pic and Silver is on his own side. Nice symbolism of where he'll end up after the fight, back to his own time, while Sonic and Shadow will be together in the same time period. This is punctuated by the fact that Solaris is between them, the destroyer of time, therefore representation of time, separating Silver from Sonic and Shadow.
I like the emerald in Sonic's hand, but I didn't notice it as quickly as I should have. So the question is raised, does it need to be there in the first place? I mean, they're already Super, the emeralds should technically be out of sight right now. But that's a nitpick, I really like how you colored it.
Don't get me started on the background, it's phenomenal, I see not a single problem with it, moving on. XDDDD The texture and the coloring is perfect, you obviously know what you're doing, but I do have one final discrepancy. The way you placed the shadows on their quills, Sonic and Silver specifically, makes it look like they have flat spike. You loose some of that roundness at the base of their quills, so it seems a little off if you look too long. But that's just because the shadows are a little flat, round out the base of those shadows, like if you were rendering a cone, and you'll get that foreshortening magic that you've got everywhere else in the pic.
Lastly, I just want to say, this moment in the games didn't get the great fanfare that it deserved. Silver went Super for the first time, Sonic and Shadow went Super together for the second time ever. This should have been a moment that we, the players, got to revel in for a minute. I know Sonic 06 isn't the best game ever, or even a good game, but it should have been able to take advantage of this moment, similar to Sonic Adventure 2 took advantage of Sonic and Shadow transforming together.
We got to see an extended scene play out with Shadow and Sonic, they cut the scene before the transformation scene so that they could capitalize on that moment. And in Sonic Adventure that moment was again, celebrated, elevated, and distinguished above normal scenes. It was important and the producers of the game knew that, like the players/fans knew that is was important. So I was disappointed when the moment was this quick energy sharing scene followed by them silently flying toward the enemy.
So thank you very much for giving an extended idea of how this scene SHOULD HAVE been handled. Thank you, my friend. I hope this critique was satisfactory in some way to you. ^v^
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FenriRez In reply to SAJ-Man [2017-09-21 23:02:30 +0000 UTC]
Hey there!
First of all, thank you very much for your critique. I don't receive them very often thus I'm not used to them
I'm shocked you've given me such a high score for this, to be honest I didn't expect it in the first place as I'm not really happy with it myself.
Shadow's thumb would be interpreted as 'encouraging' Silver or 'indicating' that the enemy is approaching so they should keep moving can have many meanings anyway
The handshake -indeed- was intended to be in the center of this picture. I'm glad you've noticed that too. Sonic arms look inconsistent! Honestly, I haven't noticed the difference until you mentioned it You've got a good eye and seems like you can easily spot the tiniest mistakes - well done, and thank you for the advise. I will make sure I stick to one style or another next time.
I'm so unhappy with most of the stuff I create that I tend to work on something for weeks and keep changing nearly everything each day. Sometimes when I stare at something for too long it gets to that point when I can't spot the most obvious mistakes.
It's good to have someone who can point them out, just like you did
I like the way you highlighted the symbolism which not everyone is aware of.
I wanted to keep Sonic and Shadow on one side of the picture to divide it into 3 parts, just like you described. Shadow was supposed to stand by Sonic's side, but then I thought the right side of the picture would look overloaded and it would definitely ruin the harmony of the scene.
The emerald... I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MADE ME DRAW IT xD You're too good at this, go away! Let's say I didn't know what to do with Sonic's hand, alright? Now shhh!
I'm pleased to hear you have nothing against the background That's probably the only thing I like about this drawing lol.
I still learn different colouring techniques using different software every so often so I agree with you saying that the shadows are placed somehow 'flat'. I will try to be consistent next time. Shadow took me too long to colour. Someone on reddit asked if Shadow shouldn't be more white/silver whilst I think it doesn't matter that much when it comes to art really. Colour is always subject to change and depends on how you like to express it. Shadowing and lighting... not so much xD That's something everyone needs to practice by observing objects in the natural environment and how they interact with each other. So thank you for pointing this out too!
Finally someone relates to my description under this picture! The game wasn't good, it was horrible - let's put it this way. I turned it on today for literally 15 minutes to check Crisis City stage's design for the project I'm working on at the moment and have to admit that those 15 minutes made me curse this game all over again.
STH'06 has its good moments but unfortunately, there are not so many.
This scene should have been made better than what we received in the end. I'm happy to see that I'm not the only person disappointed with this scene!
They left us with nothing to remember really.
Of course I'm satisfied with your critique and hope to see more in the future!
Thank you very much for your time, I really appreciate it!
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SAJ-Man In reply to FenriRez [2017-09-22 01:52:38 +0000 UTC]
You are very welcome! Happy to give them out to art that deserves them! Whether you like it's outcome, I can tell how much effort and thought was put into this piece and I felt that deserved a reward. ^v^
Oh, I'm glad I caught that then! It seemed pretty important, after all! Yeah, I have this nasty habit of focusing in on subtle details and blowing them up so others can see them. Usually that gets me into trouble But I'm glad I could help a little. C:
Yeah, symbolism is awesome when done right, and you did it right! XDDDD If Shadow was anywhere else, it wouldn't work visually, so I'm glad you placed him where he is currently.
*goes away*
*comes back after a minute* Let's say you didn't know what to do with Sonic's hand. XDDDD
Backgrounds are a big deal for me, considering I'm so bad at them, so again, if someone does it right, I take notice. While I am led to believe that Shadow's shade of yellow is supposed to be leaning toward white more than the others, I didn't think it was relevant to point out. I think he looks fine as is
The shading thing is something I constantly do when I'm shading in Sonic or whoever else and I'm trying to be like Sonic Adventure, with the sharp light outline on the edge of the whole shape of the spike. That flattens it out and my characters look like idiots, and I'm sitting there like, "Why do I keep DOING THAT?!" So that's why I could see that issue clearly, because I make the same mistake constantly. XDDDD Even so, you have a point, everyone even remotely serious about art needs to study forms and lighting for those forms.
I don't know why people have stopped reading descriptions nowadays! Descriptions are half the fun of interpreting the art!
Well, when ya put it that way... XDDDD No, that game was definitely not good, but I feel like it had, as you said, a bunch of good parts hidden beneath the awfulness. But even those hidden good parts are not as good as they could have been. Hence this scene.
You're not alone, I was kinda hoping for a moment of genuine shock on Silver's face to getting this significant power up. Like "HOLY FACK, I'M LITERALLY ON FIRE AND THERE IS A CONSTANT WIND BLOWING MY QUILLS UP, WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW?!" But I like Silver as a dorky cutie pie so that might just be me. X'DDDDD
Hey, keep making good stuff and requesting critiques and I'll do my best to help ya out (if you don't submit it to a group, feel free to just mention spam me or whatever. I don't mind ). You're more than welcome, I can't wait to see more from you!
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FenriRez In reply to SAJ-Man [2017-09-24 12:36:36 +0000 UTC]
Hey!
Oh my so much text, I feel honored
I'm happy with the critiques as long as they don't worship an artist or make them upset. An example of one of my friends from dA who has tried her best with her latest drawings and receive so much negative feedback it made her feel really bad for the rest of the day. But again, when someone receives too much positive feedback and zero criticism it can turn them into snobs and egocentrics. Everything should be balanced.
Yeah well.. don't you get the same impression whenever you're trying to draw hands? I never know what to do with them They are fun to draw and sometimes can be challenging depending on their 'layout' but man, they are pain in the ass sometimes I swear!
Oh yes, backgrounds can become tricky. Most people have problems with them. You can make them simple, sketchy, blurry but the final effect will never be as good as the most detailed ones can bring to the table. I'm not good at them either. I decided to focus on the backgrounds this year more because I believe they play a fundamental role in every picture. We don't live in a blank space so putting more effort into them will not kill anyone.
There's always some place for improvement!
The more you practice the more awesomeness you create.
Sonic games are not really so much of a thing nowadays due to the insanely large amount of different and better games out there. They are likely average but still enjoyable. STH'06 was tragic, and no words can describe my mixed feelings for this game. Characters, storyline, soundtrack - awesome; all the rest including the gameplay - no comments. I wish they created more games like Sonic Adventure with a bit of jumping around, some riddles and an open world. Mini games or side quests such as chao garden or go-karts were very nice and if people liked it I don't see why they don't carry on with adding them up to their recent games. If a pattern already exists and is well received by the audience - do not remove it entirely from the series, god damn it. They finally decided to add a customization to Forces. A feature that you can find in every second game here and now. Nothing fascinating, I want my Chao Garden back.
And regarding all the bugs in that game... it's not difficult to release a patch or an update that will fix them all. They are just lazy :/
Haha yes we can add stories to that xD What matters is that we both agree that this scene should have been done better.
Thank you very much for your time again!
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SAJ-Man In reply to FenriRez [2017-10-02 19:19:46 +0000 UTC]
I like writing and I'm not brief.
Oh I know what you mean. I don't like kiss ups and haters either. I'm sorry your friend had a bad experience, that sucks. D:
Indeed I do! I have my hands doing random stuff too! XDDDD Hands are fun, yet they try to destroy me every time. XDDD
You're a better man than me, because I avoid them a lot. X'DDDDD I mean, they are important, and you're right we don't live in a white space... but I'm just terrible at them. D': I should definitely practice more. T.T
All of the mixed feelings for Sonic '06. On the one hand, Mephiles, Silver, Shadow, Blaze, Iblis. On the other hand, loading screens, IT'S NO USE!!, Elise, gameplay. Hmmmmmm...
I would love to see more Adventure style games and I agree that they needed to stick with the model that worked. Give us back the Chao Gardens, SEGA! At least make a phone game entirely dedicated to Chao Garden! DX
Well yes, their lazy, but also the game has been ripped to shreds and shunned by basically the whole world. There would be no profit in trying to fix something that is unredeemable in everyone's eyes. So they have the ability to rerelease the game... but they're like what's the point in doing that? I would love a rerelease of Sonic 06 with polished gameplay and controls or whatever, but meh, SEGA wouldn't make much money from that so I get why they don't want to rerelease it.
Yassss, I agree.
Not a problem! (also I feel like I should invite you to this contest I'm holding
October Contest 2017!!EDIT 10/1/2017: Heya everybody! I've been waiting a long time for this time of year to come around again and it's finally here! ^v^
Yes, it's October! Meaning, it's time for the annual Sonic Villain October Contest! :iconyayzplz: That special time of year where everyone comes together and draws a Sonic villain the previous year's winner picked out! The villain this year is none other than DR. EGGMAN NEGA!! :iconJimGagaplz: Now before you go ahead and say, "SAJ I hate this guy! Me no want to participate this year!" I say "HOLD YOUR HORSES BUCKO!" I used to hate this guy too! But upon researching him and delving deep into his psyche, I have discovered how amazing a character he really is! No, I'm not just saying that, I truly like this character now! And if you want a short synopsis of why I changed my mind, just click on his pic and read the description! Maybe then you'll see what I see in him. You don't have to participate if you don't want to, I'm just asking every Sonic artist I know to join. XDDDD)
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DeactivatedAccount1 [2018-05-19 08:46:02 +0000 UTC]
Meanwhile, Solaris is in the background, like, 'I don't have time for this. Oh wait...I do."
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Darkramiess [2017-12-10 10:13:25 +0000 UTC]
go super heros
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VictoryRina [2017-12-08 19:09:18 +0000 UTC]
Whoah, I'm speechless I do love when they are in Super form I can feel this atmosphere thanks to your skill in colouring and graphic. So warm and powerful and... Aww, I remember my childhood Q_Q Really hard work and good job! Keep going
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TBOSACR [2017-12-06 15:22:48 +0000 UTC]
Hate to be that guy, but Sonic's mouth looks weird.
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Teaganm [2017-10-31 11:16:42 +0000 UTC]
Sonic Shadow and Silver in super
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xaviir20 [2017-09-17 00:21:16 +0000 UTC]
Is the only way to defeat such a powerful enemy who wants to rule the world or destroy the world
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JasmineRobotnik [2017-09-16 03:31:54 +0000 UTC]
I really love how you made the hedgies stand out in this drawing! i love how it shows that they are willing to set aside there differences to team up to stop Solaris. I also love how it looks like they are above the world.
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Moonphase47 [2017-09-15 23:28:25 +0000 UTC]
Omg you captured this scene perfectly!! QwQ ♡
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Panrill [2017-09-15 19:17:57 +0000 UTC]
Okay okay okay okay--
Oh my gosh.
Sonic 06 is my absolute favourite Sonic game out there- maybe not for gameplay wise but when it came to the story, I fell in love with the characters all over again. From the cringy lines to the most epic of entrances. That scene when Shadow takes off his rings and fights Mephiles is still one of my favourite scenes out of all the games!!!
BUT.
The scene. When they all go super. The song Solaris Phase 2 playing in the background. Has to be one of my most favourite fights ever.
SOO.
WHEN I SAW THIS. I TEARED UP SO BADLY. BEcause not only was it absolutely gorgeous in every manner of the word, but one of the people from the past-who I looked up to on DA around about when I played this game bloody dedicated this to me--
I have never been so touched in my whole life. You've got be quivering like a wreck right now!!
The way you handle brushstokes on the characters is absolutely masterful. There is no other word to describe it. It gives the characters texture like no other and brings them out towards the viewer. The perspective of Silver's hand being closer to the screen is also handled with care, it brings across distance to perfection. AND THE COLOURS. The colours are absolutely breath taking!!! The golds- the many different shades of golds is overwhelming!!! From the little highlights on their bracelets- to the shimmer in their shoes- all of it just makes them pop out of the background, makes them more epic and spectacular.
Even in the background! Solaris waiting for them to turn, for the final fight for the sake of time itself- its just done so. damn. well. You can feel the intensity of the moment as well as the newly found friendship of the three hedgehogs. In the background-- in the back, how you painted space, the swirls of purples and blues amongst the stars...Its like a sea of wonder. Complete and utter wonder.
You are an amazing artist. AN amazing artist and it is a god damn privilege to even get to see your works all over again. They amazed me before and they'll always continue to amaze me.
AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE WORKING ON!!? You devious deviant!!
A part of me feels like Silver as you described him- the newbie.
And if I'm like him then your god damn sonic- your the god damn hero that's putting so much confidence in me each day and I couldn't be more than grateful.
Thank you for just...for just coming back and being apart of this community once more. DeviantArt needs more people like you as I said, your proof that there is still life here, that its still going as strong as ever. Its been an honour to meet you, to know you and to now draw by your side.
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FenriRez In reply to Panrill [2017-09-16 13:03:00 +0000 UTC]
So sorry I passed out yesterday xD
I'm happy you like it after all those bloody hours I spent cursing it
Sonic '06 is one of my most fav games too - story wise at least because the game is so buggy and its gameplay has its horrible moments too Didn't really know how will you react to it but decided to give it a go anyway.
Btw, that Shadow's epilogue was so good - just like everything else about him xD
Shame the Solaris boss was so easy. I remember facing Overlord Metal Sonic in Sonic Heroes, that was something...
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I think it just gave me an idea for a new art.. o.o
Aww you're too kind, your comments make me cry happy tears sometimes, you know
I can't relate to anything what is happening in sonic community on dA any longer. Unfortunately, I came back too late. 5 years too late to be precise. I didn't really mean much in the community 5 years ago either - there were much better and talented artists than me I still think there are a few left on here.
I had NO IDEA you played that game that time I feel kina upset we didn't get a chance to talk to each other in the past. But then again, everyone was looking for fame and recognition so people didn't really care much about each other. I am quivering! You just made me so happy!
I spend hours on analizying other people's art and guessing how do they use brushes. I'm always too lazy to do backgrounds and had no idea how to draw them in space. One of the next arts will be probably in the open environment too. Backgrounds are the key to everything. They gave the characters some story, a deep touch to the scene if you know what I'm trying to say
YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GET A SA2 SCENE! And turned out to be THIS Maybe next time...
'A sea of wonder' - enough said, I need another tissue.
Thank you my dear for all the sweet words of courage over the past few weeks, I'm happy to be recognized by you too
I promise I will relax for now and try to do quick ones for a week or two for a change Art trades are coming up too, aren't they?
Don't call yourself a newbie, you silly!
What makes you think you are?! Your art is fantastic, I wasn't even half as good as you in my first few years on deviantART! How many times am I gonna say I want you to think of us as equals
Psst. You know my favourite character is Shadow, don't you?
You're welcome Hope we can keep motivating each other and make this community grow. Don't like to see people losing their confidence and getting upset over their skills or a lack of some experience. We all have to start off somewhere and sometimes may get lucky to meet awesome people like you along the way I'm pleased to draw by your side too
You have analyzed it so damn well you might as well made me speechless right now. Don't know what to say really... thank you very much
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