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Description Just as the title describes, this drawing was made from a lot of correspondences that i have received since end of January, regarding the portrayal of Women Warriors both in Fantasy and History. The drawing compares the 'Horny Viking' (The name taken from her Horned Helmet ), with the 'Historical Viking', each representing their own views and values in the portrayal of Viking Women Warrior in popular media. The reason why the Viking was chosen is because they are probably the next most popular warrior, besides knight in shining armor (think of Joanne d'arc)

Now, before I start with the discussion, i would like to point that the aim of this drawing is to increase the awareness of why each of the characters are represented as such. As for the actual representation in my drawing, they are all full of artistic license and stylized art, so the historical accuracy may not be the most well represented

From what I have seen, Women warriors can be divided into two categories. The first one comes under what i call "fantasy", where the design of the character is only limited by the artist's imagination. From bare chain-mail bikinis to the Warhammer-esque huge armor, complete with exotic weapons that comes with them, Fantasy Women Warriors are the most commonly depicted in the popular media. The second category, comes under the title "Historical", whereby the artist try to depict the character in the historically appropriate (if not politically correct) attires belonging to the corresponding era. Practicality, protection and fashion were taken into consideration, as such, they are represented much less than the fantasy due to the time-consuming research done before-hand. We must also understand that, our understanding of "Historical Women Warriors" may well be different than what it was during their respective era. Also, warfare had been predominantly male occupation since the dawn of time, even if some culture publicly accept their womenfolk fighting in their ranks. So in many cases, women who decided to join the fight as warrior would have to adapt with equipments, armor, weapons and fighting style which were designed for their most frequent users, men.

Simply put, women who fought in battle, chose to do so themselves, knowing well the consequences and burden they had to undergo. In my opinion, regardless whether they fight in proper full plate armor or half naked with loincloth, it is always better and respectful to represent them as Women who fought as Warriors, instead of Women who just dress as warriors (or lack of)

Now,

For the first character, the Horny Viking (taken from the horned helmet), she is dressed in anything that you can criticize at this very instant, derived from the famous fantastic depiction of Valkyrie. The horned helmets which was never worn by the vikings, the double headed axe which is more commonly used for chopping trees, small decorated metal shield, a spear with a long blade (reminds me of japanese yari), a chainmail bra and others that i have yet to describe.

In terms of practicality, it would be very limited at best. Horned helmet can be cumbersome, the horns is more threat to the user and his/her allies, as well as allowing the enemies to grab the horn, throwing the use off balance. As for the battle-bra, everyone would probably know why it's a no no. But having one's hair flowing freely while wearing chain mail is a recipe for trouble. Chainmails are made of tiny rings joined together to for a chain, as such, free flowing long hair can easily get caught, leading to some discomfort to the user. Also, Scandinavia (where the viking came from) is a very cold region, so wearing such clothing would be....cold defying , not to mention leaving the most vulnerable parts of the body (which you really want to cover), open for attack.

Why is she represented that way? well, fist of all, she looks more attractive than our historical viking. Apart from that, this image has been popularized by the Viking revival in the modern era, where the viking had been anachronistically mixed the bronze age culture, as well as the idealized portrayal of Scandinavian epic saga.

What about the historical viking? I think they prefer to wear less exposing battle attires than our Horny Viking. Adorned in chainmail, furcoat, large shield, a battle axe, seax as well as throwing spears, she is more than ready to remove some heads for their bodies. But my representation of her would probably anachronistic, if not historically accurate. Her Chain-mail was very expensive back then, and only the richest could afford such protection. As for the helmet, the decorated helmet was reserved for the chieftain, denoting her highborn and rich status. The battle axe is a heavy double handed danish axe, so one cannot use shield while wielding on in real life. While there are historical records of Viking Women fighting as shield maiden, there are only handful of archaeological records of what they actually wore and used when fighting in battle. But my best guess is, whatever was commonly wore back then as protection, she'd probably wear the same as well.

If you ask my opinion as to which one that i like, I prefer the historical one. Not because of its practicality or fashion sense, but because when one draws something related to history, he/she would be able to learn something from it. The more you are aware of history, the more creative you will become



So, which one would you prefer?


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Historical Viking Character is from the Historically Wrong Sketch Series:



The Horny Viking is taken from
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Comments: 176

BattleHamsterReturns In reply to ??? [2014-02-15 12:12:58 +0000 UTC]

Very well done . 

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Gambargin In reply to BattleHamsterReturns [2014-02-17 07:01:35 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!

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ironsides11 In reply to ??? [2014-02-15 08:18:04 +0000 UTC]

I can't help but wonder if the this portrays the same woman warrior in different outfits. If that's true, was it difficult to convince her to model the 'horny' version?

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Gambargin In reply to ironsides11 [2014-02-17 06:52:43 +0000 UTC]

Man...just imagine if the historical ones were to wear the horny version...I think she would go berserk, literary

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akitku [2014-02-14 16:05:17 +0000 UTC]

Nice one!One of the things I really like about your historical women characters is that their clothing/amrour looks heavy. That's something that's very difficult for me. In your work is obvious that the clothes are a bit bulky and layered. Great! Also, I really like this distinction you made between historically appropriate and historically accurate. That's very useful I think!

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Gambargin In reply to akitku [2014-02-17 06:51:36 +0000 UTC]

Always a pleasure akitku !

Ah, as for the bulky armor as you have pointed out, I think it's actually because I'm not really good at anatomy . I noticed if i was to draw the female body figure first then the armor on top of it, it would look very curvy indeed, like a dress. Chainmail and leather is easier because it can follow the body curve, but lamellar/scale/plate would be harder because of its solid shape (so it does take some time to design the armor best fitting to the women warrior)

You can probably notice this with how i (badly) draw plate, scale, lamellar, chain mail and cloth armor

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susandevy [2014-02-13 14:19:05 +0000 UTC]

I choose both !

they're all epic warriors !

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Gambargin In reply to susandevy [2014-02-17 06:44:53 +0000 UTC]

Woah, thanks you! That's very kind of you! Epic warriors indeed!

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coragus [2014-02-12 20:24:22 +0000 UTC]

"she looks more attractive than our historical viking." 
I would disagree.

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Gambargin In reply to coragus [2014-02-17 06:44:32 +0000 UTC]

Well, at least for some .

Fantasy armors have their own appeal, and so does Historical armors in my opinion

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coragus In reply to Gambargin [2014-02-17 19:24:28 +0000 UTC]

True true, that or maybe I just have a thing for historical things.... maybe that.

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Slillis22 [2014-02-12 19:19:32 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for doing the research! There are not enough historically accurate images out there!

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Gambargin In reply to Slillis22 [2014-02-17 06:42:44 +0000 UTC]

It is always a pleasure, I'm glad you like it

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SeiyonoRyuu [2014-02-12 04:41:16 +0000 UTC]

love the helmet and shield, specifically, on the historical one  

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Gambargin In reply to SeiyonoRyuu [2014-02-17 06:42:26 +0000 UTC]

I agree, and thank you very much for the compliment

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mouseanderson In reply to ??? [2014-02-12 00:39:26 +0000 UTC]

cool picture and thoughtful commentary, you rock (as always)

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Gambargin In reply to mouseanderson [2014-02-17 06:40:58 +0000 UTC]

It is always a pleasure sir, I'm glad you like it

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charcoalfeather [2014-02-11 18:49:50 +0000 UTC]

The Horny Viking also looks a lot more anime-ish, but that's probably because we can see more of her face and hair. I also vastly prefer the non-Horny Viking, lol. The Horny one looks like a mod character found in Skyrim.

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Gambargin In reply to charcoalfeather [2014-02-17 06:40:34 +0000 UTC]

Oh no, the character mod in skyrim, at least most of them, looked like anime show or those beautiful princess with smooth skin coming our from some MMORPG. I prefer the vanilla version, it adds more realism to it i guess

Come to think of....i notice mostly in asian MMORPG (or fantasy) that women are depicted in "fantasy" armor, similar to our horny viking here. Maybe there's a different perception i guess

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charcoalfeather In reply to Gambargin [2014-02-17 14:53:00 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, and they add all kinds of "physics" (if you know what I mean, lol) to the female characters too. The facial smoothing and the "modified" armour for the characters are only the tip of the iceberg.


I think MMORPGs all over tend to have women in "fantasy" armour, like in Perfect World (they have the kind of "fantasy" Asian armour you're talking about, I think).

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Gambargin In reply to charcoalfeather [2014-02-24 16:02:57 +0000 UTC]

Oh, THE Physics you mean? including something that makes some parts bounce?

I remember getting some feedback from my friend that my drawing of women warriors wouldn't really sell to general audience because it lacks the "feminine" features and absence of fantasy elements like elves, dragons and magic robes. I kinda understand his point of view, from someone who plays WOW, DOTA and ragnarok, realistic armors are comparatively boring to the ones depicted in the game

Well, at least at the moment we can enjoy drawing our art independently to the best of our interests, otherwise it would be to the best of other people's interests...

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charcoalfeather In reply to Gambargin [2014-02-24 16:06:36 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, lol, THE physics, lol. There are even funnier ones. I heard there was a "prostitutes of Skyrim" mod, lol.


I think that's what makes your art great though. There are already a lot of fantasy women warriors with the typical "feminine" features out there, so why not try something new? And you've already got a pretty large audience (which you deserve 100%), for someone who's not even been here for a full year yet.



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Trocadero [2014-02-11 17:22:31 +0000 UTC]

Dat dane axe

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Gambargin In reply to Trocadero [2014-02-17 06:38:24 +0000 UTC]

Yep, that axe!

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Trocadero In reply to Gambargin [2014-02-17 16:12:14 +0000 UTC]

It's very accurate, you did a good job

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RoranHawkins In reply to ??? [2014-02-11 17:20:00 +0000 UTC]

Why worry about the two-handed Dane axe? She has a saxe, why should she worry?


Also, your female horny viking is sporting a Japanese spear. Why. My eyes didn't burn enough at first sight yet?



What I love most is their facial expressions. The retarded one being all bitchiness and hurt fantasy about to explode in a tantrum, the right one, at the peak of indifference and boredom. 

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Gambargin In reply to RoranHawkins [2014-02-17 06:38:17 +0000 UTC]

Hahahah! I cannot agree more than that!

Viking with bra, double headed axe, japanese spear and horned helmet...i think i might have over did the drawing

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RoranHawkins In reply to Gambargin [2014-02-17 11:49:46 +0000 UTC]

You might have...

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phicek In reply to ??? [2014-02-11 16:38:11 +0000 UTC]

yup yg kenyataan nya yg pake chain mail itu..

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Gambargin In reply to phicek [2014-02-17 06:36:31 +0000 UTC]

Iya bener!!

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maracanda In reply to ??? [2014-02-11 16:28:21 +0000 UTC]

Beautiful drawing! You make some good points as well. I agree that characters should be judged on what they are, not how they dress. Sexiness nor historical accuracy is the criterion. Women fulfilling strong, active roles, such as warrior, are an important literary and illustrative subject, even when you're drawing history.

Thanks for making this clear in all your drawings! Sincere admiration!

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Gambargin In reply to maracanda [2014-02-17 06:36:14 +0000 UTC]

Many thanks for the compliement! I'm glad that you have the same thoughts with the portrayal of women warriors. I think the discussions have been increasingly on what they wear, not on who they were, but that's just my opinion, hence the creation of this drawing

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Schweinebeine In reply to ??? [2014-02-11 15:54:50 +0000 UTC]

 i had some fun reading how you explained why this sort of fantasy armour would never work in real life xD great depiction of fantasy vs history!

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Gambargin In reply to Schweinebeine [2014-02-17 06:29:59 +0000 UTC]

Oh yes! They are always interesting to look and discuss!

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BrowncoatMando [2014-02-11 14:22:22 +0000 UTC]

the "Horny Viking" looks  like someone I know. Odd.


Gunhildr's probably struggling not to laugh at what she's NOT wearing. I can hear her in my head "You want to die, going into battle dressed like that? not my problem."


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Gambargin In reply to BrowncoatMando [2014-02-17 06:29:26 +0000 UTC]

Hhahahahaha!

I cannot agree more than that. Gunnhildr would certainly mock, if not facepalming herself if she were to see her fellow women portrayed in horny viking dress

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KaiKainat In reply to ??? [2014-02-11 12:49:20 +0000 UTC]

I like how you titled it...
And also the hair of horn-y viking, seriously she can fight with such hair covering one eye? XD
And she reminds me of Astrid from how to train your dragon

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Gambargin In reply to KaiKainat [2014-02-17 06:28:07 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, fighting with hair covering like that would be interesting.....

Who is astrid? never heard of her character before

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KaiKainat In reply to Gambargin [2014-02-17 13:26:40 +0000 UTC]

A female character in how to train your dragon movies. (Well, I like that movie :-D)
It's reminds me of her because in that story she is a viking.

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Gryffgirl In reply to ??? [2014-02-11 12:24:54 +0000 UTC]

Great details on both, but I vastly prefer the historical one to the fantasy version!

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Gambargin In reply to Gryffgirl [2014-02-17 06:26:15 +0000 UTC]

Many thanks! I certainly like the historical ones as well

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ArwendeLuhtiene In reply to ??? [2014-02-11 11:38:02 +0000 UTC]

THANK YOU for this ! Realistic Viking shieldmaiden all the way!!


(Now you write about the helmets, I've been thinking about how the Celts did use to wear a lot of extravagantly horned/feathered/other helmets, and yes, those must have got in the way somehow! Same as all the elaborate, huge fantasy helmets. But ah well, Celts never were fans of practicality, I suppose . Their main idea was to show off and scare off their enemies, more than 'oh, these horns might be too heavy and someone might grab onto them' )

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Gambargin In reply to ArwendeLuhtiene [2014-02-17 06:25:48 +0000 UTC]

You are most welcome arwende, I'm you like my drawing

Horned helmets were not really that strange if one were to look at them. The Celts certainly had some winged helmet, mostly for ceremonial purpose, as it displays status and wealth of it wearer. The same can be said to the ones worn by the celtiberian that inhabited Spain during the classical antiquity and some of the ones worn by the dacians. I think back then, because fighting were done in very close combat, winged/horned helmet would be impractical indeed...but if one were to fight from horseback or range, then it would be a different story

For medieval era, you can compare to the ones worn by the Teutonic knights (they had huge horns, and winged horns) and Japanese samurai during sengoku era. even if it was heavy or rather impractical, it served as potential terror shock to the enemies. Just imagine facing someone with horns on their head who are ready to split you in half....it must have been a very frightening experience indeed .

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ArwendeLuhtiene In reply to Gambargin [2014-02-17 12:21:16 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I agree Status and awe-inspiring reasons must have played a major part. I've also read that wearing a very high helmet could also be a pro for the warrior, it creates an optical illussion and makes the enemy aim higher when striking at the head. But you can also see them as pretty encumbering when it comes to very quick or very close combat, as you say.  I suppose it must have depended on the type of warrior and type of combat.


Love your historical comments !

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CapturedJoe In reply to ??? [2014-02-11 09:49:30 +0000 UTC]

 


I find those 'fantasy' women warriors, the ones with just enough clothes (can't really call it 'armor') to prevent them getting a mature filter, boring. And not really attractive.

Your depictions are never boring and look great most of the time. And more dignified and badass.

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Gambargin In reply to CapturedJoe [2014-02-17 06:18:50 +0000 UTC]

Thanks Joe! I have to agree with you about the women warriors with bare clothing.

I can see that "minimum" armor has its own (sexual) appeal, but i find historical armor are much more interesting because it gives the feeling of that particular historical era.

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CISP In reply to ??? [2014-02-11 08:52:45 +0000 UTC]

I have to substantialy disagree with you on this one - I believe the historical Viking to be way more attractive than the "horny" Viking :-P
Why? Because she looks like an actual person, that fulfills a certain occupation (fighting) instead of merely being something "nice to look at" with a concept that would fall apart if you just apply the slightes bit of logic.

As a fromer reenactor and a larper who likes to use history as an inspiration for his characters I am sick and tired of the "sexy warrior". Yes, they are (sometimes) nice too look at but if you want to draw something nice to look at then don't draw them as warriors. Chainmail Bikini and tiny leather skirt don't shout "attractive" for me but "nonsense"!

Therefore: Thank you for your historically wrong series. I enjoy it very much since it portrays females as fighters and soldiers and not just a "sexy lasses with swords". Should I ever meet a larper, who wants to do a female interpretation of say a european musketeer, I will point her here for inspiration!

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Gambargin In reply to CISP [2014-02-17 06:15:21 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much for the nice words, it really made my day

Fantasy armors certainly have their own appeal, mostly to those who never wore them in real life in my opinion. I can imagine that you who had experience in re-enactment, can make clear distinction between what's practical and what's not. More of then than not, women warriors are portrayed like a model in war-attires...but in reality, armors were not worn for fashion alone (except for ceremonial purpose) but also because they protect whoever wears them. Battle bikinis are probably just modern invention. so does other fantastic armors with elaborate "out of this world" designs.

Unless the person have some radical ideology or perception of warfare whereby armors are seen as "hinderance" or "unnecessary", then portraying women (or anyone) in appropriate armor should be given priorities.

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Sebistara In reply to ??? [2014-02-11 08:13:06 +0000 UTC]

so we have the drug-vision of vikings and the drunk-vision of vikings...

if i choose the one, the other kills me...

uhhhhhhh....

ladys, how about a nice threesome-shieldwall? ;w; pls don hurt me

anyway, you have a great talent! feel free to demand a cookie from me! :E

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Gambargin In reply to Sebistara [2014-02-17 06:02:54 +0000 UTC]

Sir, you have won my sides, i think it's dying from laughing a lot.

Please have some cake as a reward!

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