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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to ??? [2017-05-05 03:11:13 +0000 UTC]

I suggest reading this.

Elune is an Old GodI want to just bring this up.  You know, due to things like this...

That right there is a BIG evidence to the thing that Elune is in fact an Old God.
So, when I said that Elune was an Old God and I subscribed to that theory, and well, the new Lore post Warcraft Chronicles actually now supports that idea, despite it trying hard to point to the idea that Elune is the Titan in the Egg...the very Egg each journal I wrote that stated what sort of recipes I wish to cook up with that Egg.
Basically, they are trying to push the Elune is the Titan in the Egg and each of my journals want to turn her into breakfast. 
They're trying to say that the whole thing about the Egg in Azeroth is the reason why Old Gods are there, so they can corrupt the Egg and make some nasty monster that HP Lovecraft would shit himself in fear over, and my solution to this problem is just saying...why the fucking hell aren't we making that damned thing into an omelette alre

Titan Egg Burgers as Made by McDonald'sLet's take a break from the politics for a moment.
This is going to be titled Titan Egg Burger as prepared by McDonald’s.  It is as disgusting as you might think it is.
Let’s go into all the wrongness of the cinematic this person has sent me. 
Well, someone morning for the death of an Aspect, I will say that that is a lot more than either what Neltharion or Malygos EVER GOT.
And so now, I’m pissed off more because of it.
That cinematic doesn’t excuse this…
It doesn’t.  It doesn’t excuse that!  It doesn’t make it go away!  It does not make it go away.
That still exists.  Blizzard does not care about their fucking dragons.  And that cinematic only panders to that truth.  Oh, Tyrande feels sorry that she had to ask a shaman and a rogue to put down Ysera within 25 seconds.  Because for some strange reason, Blizzard had to make Ysera get corrupted by the Emerald Nightmare and N’Zoth.
When in r

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to ??? [2017-05-05 03:06:30 +0000 UTC]

Like I said, Elune is in fact a fucking Old God.  She was just the Old God who was able to gain mortal and even Aspect support.  As in, she's probably the most clever of them of all.

Yeah, my sentiments exactly.  Blizzard loves to fuck up their dragons.

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Varathael In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2017-05-05 09:18:39 +0000 UTC]

The whole "dragons can no longer bear eggs" thing is something that really grinds my gears, especially when it comes to Alexstrasza. I mean, as a recap of everything she lost in the war with Neltharion:

Eight years of captivity forced to breed war mounts for the Horde. Most of said children caused great loss of life among the Alliance, which she could feel/sense, and most of said children also died which she could also sense.
The loss of three of her four consorts in that same period of time, including her first prime consort, Tyranastrasz.
The loss of her son Vaelastrasz to Nefarian's experiments.
The loss of her son Caelastrasz to Sinestra
Korialstrasz blew himself up with the last clutch of every single dragonflight after they were all corrupted and being turned into twilight dragons. This act made him seem to be a traitor to everyone and caused her to completely leave Wyrmrest Temple in a state of depression. If not for "Green Jesus" having a vision of the truth, she likely would have stayed away from everyone and Deathwing would win.
Deathwing twisted her last clutch of whelps into Twilight Drakes to attack her and the other Aspects as they charged up the Dragon Soul and you can hear her voice almost break with heartache when she tells the champions "they are...my clutch no longer. Bring them down."

And then they take away her ability to have children again. But not just hers. Every dragon of the five primary flights can no longer reproduce. Nether dragons? Twilight dragons? Storm dragons? They can reproduce just fine. But God forbid the five primary flights have children again.

Oh and it doesn't end there. If you play a Death Knight, you get to continue the skullduggery that Death Knights have been getting into in Legion (which completely throws away the whole "we broke free of the Lich King after Arthas betrayed us, and now we will bring about Azeroth's salvation" narrative they had set up for them). First you piss off the Alliance and Horde, and especially Sylvanas. But then a Death Knight player, as the Deathlord, breaks into Light's Hope Chapel to try and resurrect Tirion Fordring as the undead leader of the Four Horsemen, though it fails spectacularly. Because if the Light within Light's Hope was too much for even Arthas/the Lich King, then it's certainly too much for the new Lich King's pawn.

But now, with 7.2, they added class order hall mounts. For the Death Knight? You assault the Ruby Sanctum, regrown after Korialstrasz blew it and the other sanctums up, in order to find a codex with the information of dead red dragons. And you are told by good old Bolvar Fordragon to either spare who you see fit, or slaughter them all. And if you slaughter them, you get a Feat of Strength! You get a sodding achievement for driving the infertile red dragons a step closer to extinction! To go north to a glacier where a red dragon, Kyranastrasz, fell fighting a non-descript corruption, his bones filled with life energy even decades after his death. You steal the life energy from his very bones. Blight it, turn it into undeath, and then raise Kyranstrasz's skeleton to be a fancy drake mount in a rip off of the Wrath of the Lich King's cinematic of Arthas finding Sindragosa's skeleton and raising her up as a Frost Wyrm. And just the description of the item to get the mount, and of the mount itself, annoys the hell out of me. "A powerful red dragon raised in undeath by its own life energies, a true mockery of life."

It's like the writers at Blizzard have had a serious hate boner for dragons ever since Cataclysm, and that pisses me off. I fell in love with the Warcraft dragons because it was one of the first and few franchises besides DnD where not all the dragons were evil, or assholes. Hell, most of them were noble and benevolent, which was especially a tone shift from the norm.

The fact that Elune could restore Eranikus, who was probably close in power to the weakened Ysera after she (and all the rest of the dragons) lost their power following Deathwing's death made me hope that Elune would do the same to help Ysera. That when you fight Ysera, it's only to tire her out, or exhaust her, or injure her just enough to subdue her. The whole thing of "once a mortal is corrupted by the Nightmare, death is their only release" that Ysera says before she is corrupted (as forced, yet failed foreshadowing) is upended by the fact that Elune saved Eranikus and Avrus Illwhisper, both alive and mortal since only the Aspects, really, were Eternals, from the corruption of the Nightmare. From the corruption of the Old Gods themselves! She saved a ghost from the corruption of the Nightmare! And she couldn't do the same for Ysera!? What the hell are the writers at Blizzard smoking?

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to Varathael [2017-05-05 09:30:54 +0000 UTC]

Like I said, Elune's a fucking Old God and Blizzard hates its dragons.

This is why I have Tectonic Divergence.  Where you can see things like this.

 

And this.

 

And this.

 

Because fuck what Blizzard did!  I'm giving the dragons, especially Nel, a real chance to shine.

And guess what?  I'm bringing back Malygos!  And I'm gonna have some fun with Nozdormu. 

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Varathael In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2017-05-05 09:36:50 +0000 UTC]

I disregard the dragon lore they've been doing ever since Dragon Soul. If they become mortal and have less power as the mortals step up to determine their own fates? I didn't mind that. But if they're mortal too, why not let them be an active part of the Age of Mortals, able to go into the future of Azeroth working alongside the mortals, rather than being the shepherds? I think that would have been an interesting turn where they basically step down from their vaunted position and just learn to coexist with the mortals. The reds did so, to some extent, already. As did the greens in the case of the druids. But the blues and bronzes tended to be isolated which meant that the Age of Mortals might have been the chance for them to go out into the world more.

Personally, I enjoy your writing and concepts. I've loved your pieces of Nel, and seeing more of the other Aspects would certainly be fun when you ever have the chance.

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to Varathael [2017-05-05 09:39:55 +0000 UTC]

Well the Squishy is cute and snuggly.  So, give him a proper snuggle.  He needs it, Blizzard constantly fucks him in the ass.

And I am playing with your idea, even with the dragons still immortal.  Neltharion broke his chains and is now in command of his own fate.  He's going to free Nozdormu of his chains as well.

Malygos, well, since he's coming back, he will be the only depowered Aspect because Kalec still has the Aspect powers.  And he will be in command of his fate as well.

I will be adding some of the Legion dragon characters as well in the story.  Particularly a blue dragon named Senegos.  He sounds interesting.  But he's not gonna be old in my story.  He'll still be the oldest blue alive, but he'll be strong and vibrant, and youthful looking since he's immortal like the other dragons.

And the dragons can reproduce in my story.  It's just that Nel's flight is having an issue doing that because they're all related to each other except for one male named Ruthian.  And he's mated to now two of Neltharion's granddaughters in order to produce new eggs.  Which they have.  Neltharion mentions that in a chapter of Rise of the Sha that the eggs have been lain.

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Varathael In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2017-05-05 10:00:11 +0000 UTC]

And I think the way Alexstrasza is as a character is why she is my favorite of the Aspects personally. Just from how magnanimous she is. She didn't want to give up on Malygos, she wanted him to return to reason and understand that, yes, it's important that magic be used responsibly. But killing all mortals who used magic was not the way to go about it. Hell, she didn't even want to give up on Nel. She still saw him as Neltharion in the Well of the Ancients until Ysera told her that Neltharion is gone, replaced by the madness. She forgave Thrall and was still willing to forgive the orcs even after she had suffered from them, so long as they expressed true regret for what they had done.

I like all of the Aspects in general, really. They deserve better than what Knaak and the writers have been doing to them.

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to Varathael [2017-05-05 10:20:24 +0000 UTC]

I'm about to give you something that might...uh...change that thought, or make you angry...

So, here we go...

Alexstrasza

People in general seem to either really like, or really hate Alexstrasza. I think there's a good reason for this.

Alexstrasza was created to care about life in general and people in particular. And this nature is very apparent to the both the Player and to characters in-universe. They can see it in her compassionate nature, her dialogue, in her actions to protect and heal.

At some point, Alexstrasza realized that this compassionate nature gave her power over people. This may have coincided with the War of the Ancients. Perhaps it developed after, as a way to buttress her leadership given the loss of Neltharion and Malygos' support. Or perhaps it developed before, and helped drive them away in the first place.

This is not manipulation per se, as Alexstrasza really does care about people and acts in their benefit as best she can determine-- she's not deceiving or leading them for intentionally selfish reasons. However, she is deliberately reaping the benefits of people's perceptions of her caring. She does use the support they give her, and their positive views of her to buttress her positions, leadership, and actions.

The only people in-universe that can see she's using this are Neltharion and Malygos, and occasionally Ysera. Nearly everyone in-universe can only see her compassion.

The people that perceive the underlying benefits she's accruing see her moral authority as being compromised. So they stop seeing the fact that she had good intentions as sufficient justification for her actions. As a result, they start evaluating her actions based on the outcomes they instigate. And on that score they start seeing issues.

Most people out of universe also only see the compassion. But those that look beyond it start to see the same problem areas, and they start becoming skeptical of the quality of her character.

To be fair, she has not had an easy time. 

She is the titular ruler of dragon-kind, and disaster befell on her watch. She saw her most trusted advisor, her brother betray them all. See him seemingly destroy everything they worked for, and abandon his charge-- and blame her personally for it. 

These failures resulted in some of the greatest losses of life in Azeroth's history.

This greatly damaged her, the Red Dragonflight, and the other flights. And given the magnitude of the destruction, given the loss of Neltharion's support, she was unable to pick up the pieces by herself. Unable to re-unite the remaining flights.

And on top of this, she loved Neltharion.

For 10K years she dragged her feet as Deathwing's plans advanced.

Hoping that some spark of Neltharion would show.

Until the loss of life in the Cataclysm convinced her it was hopeless: Neltharion was gone.

And so she ordered his death, and the genocide of the Black Dragonflight.

And then, at the last moment, it was proven that she was wrong again.

Neltharion lived.

And worst of all, he had not chosen to be evil.

He had been deeply, deeply sick.

And as Aspect of Healing, she had not known he was sick. Not recognized the sickness. Not tried to heal him.

And he had suffered.

And she had failed him.

This knowledge all landed on her at once.

It was too much.

So she vowed to make up for her failure. To protect him, to heal him. Even if she didn't know how.

At any cost.

By any means necessary.

Alexstrasza is a deeply flawed character, a deeply flawed person.

She is an unintentional antagonist: somebody who tries to help Nel, but makes things worse despite her best intentions.

She's representative of the people in Reality who tell somebody with depression: "Just cheer up!". Her intentions are good, she even cares tremendously and tries to help. But she doesn't' understand the problem.

And she doesn't understand that she doesn't understand. 

So she makes things worse; she takes the wrong approach, tackles the wrong problems.

Because she doesn't understand Neltharion either. Doesn't understand what he lived through, how it affects him, who he is. Even though she has some experience with abuse. And by trying to control him she aggravates all his problems, opens his wounds, draws Deathwing's violations closer to the surface. It only drives them apart.

If the corruption advances she may become a full-blown antagonist, but for now her damage is unintentional, if severe.

"They don’t trust me. You don’t trust me. I know why. I can't...complain...I don't have the right to.”
“Deathwing...” began Alexstrasza. “Please...” 

“What did you call me?” Neltharion asked. 

Alexstrasza gasped. (Coffer, p18)

Alexstrasza is not insightful compared to the other Aspects, but she is still insightful relative to a mortal. She knows instantly that this was the wrong thing to say; something Calia never, ever understood. She recognizes this is a mistake immediately; it pierces her pride. And she feels one thing:

Shame.

But she doesn't take advantage of this insight, as she doesn't follow Nel and try to make amends. She sends her dragons instead-- even though they have no chance of catching an Aspect. This is probably because she feels she can't face him in her shame. But this causes her to miss an opportunity to talk with him alone and truly help him-- by admitting her error and being honest. She can't get over herself, can't accept the small pain of this mistake in order to help Nel with the ocean of pain he's drowning in.

Nel values honesty, especially after Deathwing He trusts Malygos implicitly, and with good reason. But he can't fully trust Alexstrasza, because she's not fully honest with herself, let alone with him.

Part of this may be due to leadership: she couldn't afford to admit error, especially after the disaster. Otherwise she'd have no hope of holding everything together. And this basic pride that's part of her leadership suffuses her character.

Alexstrasza could redeem her mistakes. But she has to start being honest with those closest to her, including herself. To start letting them in, so they can help her recognize and learn from her mistakes. The role the Neltharion, Malygos, and the other Aspects likely served for their first 60K years.

After all, the Aspects were designed to work together. And her title as Dragonqueen is likely a check and balance on the Aspects power. It gives the weakest Aspect in terms of power the title and political authority. So the queen doesn't have the power to abuse her authority, and the powerful don't have the authority to abuse their power.

And as for her relationship with Malygos.  When I heard the dialog in the raid, I always had this impression that she hated him.  It explained why it took 10 thousand years for her to do anything for him.  She was never there for him, never came and comforted him in his depression.  She left him to wallow in his own misery.

Basically, in a way, the Nexus War is Alexstrasza's fault.  And she made things worse by killing him off.  Which I will touch upon in Rise of the Sha.

Neltharion is going to be so pissed at her when he hears that line from the raid.

But here's the reason why she hated Malygos.  Because Malygos had Neltharion, and she couldn't have him.  Because she was the Queen of Dragons, she couldn't play favorites, even towards the Aspect she wanted as a consort.  It's why the betrayal destroyed her.  

But Neltharion and Malygos were very close to each other, married their flight together, something Alexstrasza knew she could not participate in.

So, for the first time, a dragon, who practices polyamory, grew jealous.

To her, Malygos' death meant he was out of the way.  Hell, in my stories, she blames Neltharion's fall all on Malygos and she believed that if she were Neltharion's "special friend" in place of Malygos, she would have stopped it from happening.

So, there you go.

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Varathael In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2017-05-05 11:18:38 +0000 UTC]

That's also not to say that I think she isn't flawed. She tends to be very indecisive until the eleventh hour, often when it's too late. Or she will decide not to get involved at all, like with Arthas. The Nexus War had ended by the time the Ashen Verdict stormed Icecrown Citadel but she said it was none of her business even though the Scourge was attacking her flight and raising the dead as magma dragons.

Her main flaw is that she is so focused on the big picture that she misses the details. And this ends up being costly.

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Varathael In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2017-05-05 10:39:12 +0000 UTC]

Personally I disagree with the belief that Alexstrasza was the weakest of the Aspects. Especially when one considers that Ysera was sickly, small and frail as she lived as a proto-drake, and was always considered physically the weakest of the Aspects even in the War of the Ancients.

I wouldn't really say that the Nexus War is her fault either. Malygos determined that all mortals did not deserve magic and declared that he would destroy them to take it back; especially the Kirin Tor. Because that would be a colossal loss of life she had to intercede. And how could she possibly have helped Malygos in his depression? There was never any way for her to empathize with the loss Malygos felt at that time. The destruction of his flight by his brother, the loss of his prime consort and seeing the one he'd always looked to as a brother turn upon them.

I never really saw her as interested in Neltharion romantically either, but that's more my own interpretation. Still, your interpretation is interesting and I respect the difference in opinion.

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to Varathael [2017-05-05 12:34:27 +0000 UTC]

Being the weakest Aspect isn't really based upon status, but power level and how closely she resembles the life of Azeroth.  The further you go from that representation, the more powerful the Aspect is due to how close to being an eldritch abomination that Aspect seems to be.  But though she may be weaker than the others, her importance is crucial.  Very crucial.

But that doesn't take away of her being the leader of the dragons.

The reason why Nel is the most powerful is because he has to be.  He's the base of the pillar, his great girth and power supports the other Aspects above him, and he's the tank of the group.  He takes the hits while the other Aspects do DPS or heal.  

But that doesn't always make him the leader of the group.  Think of the Aspects as being a dungeon party.  Neltharion is the tank, but he can heal some times.  Ysera is a DPS dealer, but also a healer too.  Malygos and Nozdormu are straight DPS.  And Alexstrasza is the main healer.  

She has incredible power, but she's not a tank.  She doesn't have the right stats for it, her HP is poor compared to say Neltharion's her stamina is poor for attacking, but she doesn't need to be for that.  Her job is to keep the party alive as well as guide the part through the dungeon, dealing out strategy and also handing out the majority of the buffs.  Neltharion's job is to take the hits and aggro the mobs or the boss, but help Alexstrasza with strategy. Ysera does primary DPS damage, but can take the load off of Alexstrasza if she needs to and help heal the party when they finished with a round of mobs.  And Malygos and Nozdormu have to help Neltharion out by whittling down the HP of the mobs or Boss.

As for how could she help Malygos? I dunno, but the fact that she didn't even try says something about her character, a character whom Eonar said this to.

"This is my gift: compassion for all living things. A drive to protect and nurture them. And the ability to heal that which others cannot, birth what others may not, and love even the unlovable--who surely need such grace more than any other souls."

She did not feel compassion for Malygos, nor did she heal him.  She did attempt to love the unlovable, Neltharion when he became unlovable, but that was only in her heart, not her actions.  But nothing for Malygos.

She didn't even try to understand or empathize with him.  Empathy is Alexstrasza's domain.  And I'm pulling this from the lore.

Malygos himself...well, was he not wrong for believing that the mortals were unworthy of magic?  Given that mortals were abusing it.  I mean, that's why the Burning Legion keeps finding Azeroth.  It was mortal magic that brought about the Sundering, mortal need for power which brought about the Burning Legion the first time.

Even Neltharion was right about the Night Elves.  The Old Gods don't implant ideas, they only pull out and emphasize what is already there.

Sometimes, the villain has to be right in their villainy.  And the hero has to be wrong.

Here, both Neltharion and Malygos were right in their "villainy."  And while Malygos did say that he pulled enough magical energy to destroy the planet many times over, that was not his goal.  It was more of a bluff, really.

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to MonstaGuru [2015-08-14 08:51:11 +0000 UTC]

I know.  Glad I convinced another person of the squishiness of Neltharion.

Stupid Chris Metzen: "Oh, I love a good redemption story."  Which secretly means: "I love a good redemption story for Illidan, but fuck that Neltharion guy!"

And I do suggest you look at this as well.  Another form of Neltharion's breath weapon in use.

 

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MonstaGuru In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2015-08-15 00:19:27 +0000 UTC]

frankly I don't think blizzard can hold ideas for WoW anymore, their new expansion is just....unimpressive -_-


and yes who doesn't love a pissed off molten spewer that can fly!

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to MonstaGuru [2015-08-15 01:16:24 +0000 UTC]

Well, you should get involved with this...

The Burning Legion's ReturnI am thinking of skipping the whole Warlords of Draenor idea. Mostly because of the idiotic time traveling plot device.

I never liked it. I knew I was going to get rid of it somehow. Though I do like some of the elements of Warlords which will still be used.
Light and Laughter is basically a story that handles these ideas...such as Khadgar being the possible new Guardian of Tirisfal. Because fuck Med'han.
Neltharion and Khadgar have history. Khadgar, along with Turalyon and Alleria Windrunner, destroyed many black dragon eggs in agreement with the Gronn who allowed them passage through Blade's Edge Mountains on Draenor. Khadgar faced Deathwing and drove the Black Aspect off by pulling his plates off. Deathwing abandoned his eggs to the mercy of the Gronn and the Alliance, by dropping the Skull of Gul'dan.
Khadgar got the skull and used it to close the portal before Draenor was destroyed.
Khadgar had murdered many infant black dragon for the purpose of weak

The ideas of what I have planned for the Burning Legion in my story.

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to theladyems [2012-07-07 01:17:11 +0000 UTC]

Well, if you want to learn more. Here's the story.

[link]

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theladyems In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2012-07-07 04:07:06 +0000 UTC]

Ah yes! I did come across it. I've already started into it, it looks so very promising. I haven't had the stomach for fanfic in a long time, glad to find a well-written gem.

Thank you!

Can I ask how you feel about Knaak then, since you're such a clear Neltharion fan?

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to theladyems [2012-07-07 08:15:52 +0000 UTC]

I do not like Knaak to tell you the truth. Especially how he handles Nel. Which is why when I wrote Murozond's Gift most of that story is basically Nel making fun of how Knaak wrote Deathwing.

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Enferlain In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2012-07-17 03:06:30 +0000 UTC]

I liked Knaak stuff. Day of the dragon is still one of my favorite books, shame it gets bad around the end of it.
Well, Least he didn't do what Christie did in her last book.

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to xxxKenseIxxx [2012-06-14 20:40:59 +0000 UTC]

There's a lot of people who know how to draw dragons on this site. What makes me different?

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xxxKenseIxxx In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2012-06-14 21:33:16 +0000 UTC]

You draw them well. You have some sense of proportionality and your dragons don't have too big a head, or too big an ass. Also a lot of your work reeks of quality, which I can't say for most dragon artists.

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to xxxKenseIxxx [2012-06-14 22:02:16 +0000 UTC]

Well Nel is big all around.

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xxxKenseIxxx In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2012-06-30 16:42:04 +0000 UTC]

It don't matter if he's big or small, as long as hes proportional, it's a win for you.

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to thewolveswithin [2012-06-13 20:06:02 +0000 UTC]

Um, they aren't related, the red dragon is the big black dragon's brother-in-law...basically. The Black Dragon is Neltharion, the Earth-Warder, the red dragon is Korialstrasz, Prime Consort to Alexstrasza, the Life-Binder, and Neltharion's younger sister.

Only one is breathing fire. The Black Dragon is breathing lava.

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thewolveswithin In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2012-06-14 04:22:38 +0000 UTC]

o sry for the mistakes but eather way i think your good at drawing

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thewolveswithin In reply to thewolveswithin [2012-06-14 04:26:04 +0000 UTC]

and ok now i see i was on my i-phone earlyer and couldnt tell

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to thewolveswithin [2012-06-14 04:29:32 +0000 UTC]

I was looking on my iPhone and I can see my description, takes up half the page.

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thewolveswithin In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2012-06-15 03:33:40 +0000 UTC]

no the piture it looked like both had fire :/ this is getting confusing XD

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to thewolveswithin [2012-06-15 04:18:59 +0000 UTC]

The Black one Neltharion...see how splattery the "fire" looks. It isn't fire. It's hot molten rock.

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thewolveswithin In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2012-06-16 21:35:14 +0000 UTC]

ok i got it its lava :/

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to thewolveswithin [2012-06-14 04:25:59 +0000 UTC]

Well, if you read the description. Gotta read the description. I told who they were in the description.

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thewolveswithin In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2012-06-15 03:34:01 +0000 UTC]

ill read them from now on im sorry

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to Ermora [2012-06-07 23:24:55 +0000 UTC]

Thank you.

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Ermora In reply to Ghostwalker2061 [2012-06-07 23:43:14 +0000 UTC]

Your Welcome

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Ghostwalker2061 In reply to Celestial-Dung [2012-06-04 16:46:46 +0000 UTC]

Thanx, Kalvin. Sweet!

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