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akitku [2018-10-29 21:57:26 +0000 UTC]
I really like the idea of these two getting along well. I think they both have the sort of party/flamboyant attitude and thus might appreciate each other's company. Like how they both like flashy clothing for example. The vibrant colors of their suits are perfect. Also, great work on the background, it really feels like it's a full, bustling place. I always have trouble with that.
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HelevornArt In reply to charcoalfeather [2018-10-28 22:14:56 +0000 UTC]
He gets his lackeys, I really don't imagine him fighting in any setting. He can shoot though, that's easier and doesn't require an athletic physique.
Yes, Aidan would be a student (not law though, perhaps philosophy) hoping to become a professor, and he is the son of a politician. Merwyn would organize charities and manage centers to counsel and shelter abused women and help simple women find work. Rannveig as an actress, that's a fun idea, I hadn't thought about that! She might be, her uncle has connections after all and she loves being in the spotlight, plus she would definitely want to be independent enough to make her own money (that she could also invest in business later on)! And she would have access to rich and influential people so that would work XD Aedgar would definitely be in the police, and he'd be incorruptible (and out to get all the gangsters) I don't know what Yngvar would be, perhaps something related to politics.
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HelevornArt In reply to charcoalfeather [2018-10-30 16:02:51 +0000 UTC]
That's such an interesting thought!! Well, I don't think he'd judge Eyolf for philandering in general, but he'd judge him for sleeping with men and for being effeminate. And for doing all that in the name of pagan gods, of course. But otherwise I think he'd secretly envy Eyolf's influence particularly how appreciated he is by his followers (the Earldorman certainly never elicits that kind of honest enthusiasm from people he comes into contact with, perhaps only from ass-kissers)
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charcoalfeather In reply to HelevornArt [2018-10-30 17:19:59 +0000 UTC]
Very interesting! Out of all of the Vikings, who would the Earldorman judge negatively the most? Is it Eyolf for his homosexuality and effeminacy, or would it be Rannveig since she goes against all of the qualities his society admires in a woman when it comes to chastity and gender role?
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HelevornArt In reply to charcoalfeather [2018-10-30 18:22:47 +0000 UTC]
Eyolf definitely. Rannveig not as much because he is conscious that not many women actually fit the ideals of his society regarding chastity; as for the gender role he surely believes she can be subdued by a "real man". Gosh imagine Aidan coming home to Northumbria with Rannveig as wife xD But that would confirm the Earldorman's opinion, since Aidan isn't a "real man" so that's why he can't even get his own wife to obey him (on the other hand, he'd probably be surprised that Aidan managed to get such a desirable woman) xD
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charcoalfeather In reply to HelevornArt [2018-10-30 18:34:31 +0000 UTC]
Lol, it would be awkward! By that time that Aidan returns however, is he allowed to be more independent from the Earldorman? Does he get to own his piece of land, away from the Earldorman?
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HelevornArt In reply to charcoalfeather [2018-10-30 19:06:06 +0000 UTC]
Well, he basically gave up his inheritance when taking the vows to enter the monastery so he'll have a difficult time reclaiming it... But otherwise yes, he would get a piece of land, and he'd want it as far away from the Earldorman as possible (and I think the Earldorman would prefer being away from Aidan as well xD). Though I think Aidan would demand money rather than a piece of land as his share of the inheritance, and either settle in Norway of travel with it.
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charcoalfeather In reply to HelevornArt [2018-10-30 20:42:32 +0000 UTC]
Interesting! From whom would he demand money - does he have to go before some sort of jury before the local Lord to get stuff from the Earldorman? I think the Earldorman is ranked lower than the local Lord of his borough/town/area...?
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HelevornArt In reply to charcoalfeather [2018-10-31 06:22:44 +0000 UTC]
Actually only the king is above the Earldorman, so he'd have to go to King Aethelred himself (which he does, but I haven't yet figured out how their meeting goes).
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charcoalfeather In reply to HelevornArt [2018-10-31 14:42:42 +0000 UTC]
Ah, I see! Wow, so he is pretty high ranking after all!
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HelevornArt In reply to charcoalfeather [2018-10-31 22:33:13 +0000 UTC]
He is indeed. Until 954 Northumbria was a petty kingdom, so four decades earlier he would've been king. So I guess Aidan gave up quite an inheritance... If she knew, Rannveig would appreciate him more haha XD
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HelevornArt In reply to charcoalfeather [2018-11-02 07:44:12 +0000 UTC]
I think she would, yes. She is materialistic in the sense that she believes she deserves a worthy husband (and worthiness was measured in titles and wealth), but she is able to see beyond that (otherwise she wouldn't have a crush on Aidan to begin with). I think Norse people (or medieval Europeans in general) are pretty status-conscious, and women are always supposed to marry up one social level. So even if she knows Aidan is a nobleman and appreciates it, his title only applies in England so she'd prefer he had wealth to show it. She actually pushes him into going to England and reclaiming his inheritance.
I don't think marriage itself would change anything in her attitude. I think she would stop having affairs if everything went well between them and they were in love and physically together. But if that changed - if Aidan went away on a long journey or if they had bad arguments - she'd let off the steam with another affair (provided that she found a suitable lover at the right moment). So I don't think she'd ever stop completely.
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charcoalfeather In reply to HelevornArt [2018-11-03 15:21:32 +0000 UTC]
That makes sense. And Aidan listens to her - is it because he sees a future for himself in England? Or is just mostly out of curiosity, to see if he can actually reclaim his inheritance or not?
I see, yeah, I can see why she wouldn't change completely. How about having a child with Aidan? If she had a child with him, and he had to go away on a long journey, would she still let off some steam and have an affair (but hide it from her child's eyes, since the child may tell Aidan when he comes back, or otherwise not like it?) Or would she just not care, think the child doesn't care, and openly have the affair?
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charcoalfeather In reply to HelevornArt [2018-11-04 19:34:54 +0000 UTC]
Interesting. Do you think his chances of earning more money in England is greater than in Scandinavia, even after he is freed from slavery? What jobs does Aidan find himself doing in Scandinavia, to make money? I know you said he learns to fight but I doubt he'll ever become a mercenary, so I suppose he couldn't make money from fighting. Would he do business? Farm? Sail around like Halvor?
That makes sense. She is the type to not really hide these kind of things. Lol, hypocritical indeed! Does she ever think about the consequences of if she becomes pregnant from someone else she's having an affair with while still married to Aidan? Does she think he'll be likely to forgive her even then, and is okay with that as well...? I think the laws surrounding bastards and such were different and much stricter in England than in Scandinavia...
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HelevornArt In reply to charcoalfeather [2018-11-07 05:48:41 +0000 UTC]
His chances would be better in England if he were part of the clergy again, he might even become bishop in time, which means he could also be a lawman and pursue his scholarly interests. He considers this, but feels it would be hypocrytical of him since he isn't that much of a believer in the dogmas. But in Scandinavia he first does woodworking which he had learned well at the monastery and he can later take up some small business, using his knowledge of making candles and parchments; his writing skills are also valuable there at that time (he could also be a lawman and counsellor to the jarls).
XD She wouldn't break up with him even if he had affairs and had a child with another woman, though she'd make the woman's life hell and argue with him terribly XD Hmm I don't think she does, I guess she relies on contraceptive methods. But yeah, perhaps she imagines he'd forgive her and she would bring up her status and heritage to declare that she can do whatever she wants and he has no right to control her. She can be pretty bitchy xD and it's especially unfair to Aidan who isn't trying to control her, but she's obsessed with looking strong and independent.
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charcoalfeather In reply to HelevornArt [2018-11-09 20:30:39 +0000 UTC]
So I guess, that's the reason why Aidan feels like he fits in more in Scandinavia since he can do what he likes there and get paid for it (the writing stuff) without being a hypocrite?
That makes sense and fits with her personality. Btw, did Rannveig ever think about how many kids she wants? I know canonically, her child is with Yngvar, but they're not together, so after the kid with Yngvar, does she ever think about having another one with someone else? Or is she the type (as with people during that time period, usually) who just has kids when she becomes pregnant and doesn't give much thought to it? I guess I'm asking this cause we've mentioned contraceptives here, but I don't know how effective they are (so back then, being totally abstinent would be pretty much the only way to guarantee 100% that you wouldn't become pregnant)
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HelevornArt In reply to charcoalfeather [2018-10-30 16:02:00 +0000 UTC]
That's such an interesting thought!! Well, I don't think he'd judge Eyolf for philandering in general, but he'd judge him for sleeping with men and for being effeminate. And for doing all that in the name of pagan gods, of course. But otherwise I think he'd secretly envy Eyolf's influence particularly how appreciated he is by his followers (the Earldorman certainly never elicits that kind of honest enthusiasm from people he comes into contact with, perhaps only from ass-kissers)
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