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This is Erek-Hus a mighty primordial. I picture it as an earth elemental with a molten core, so that is lava, not blood spilling from its mouth. Here is part of its story:Erek-Hus was known as the King of Terror and was one of the mightiest primordials of the Dawn War. Io, the dragon God and father of all dragons arrogantly challenged Erek-Hus by himself. They battled all across the world, but eventually Erek-Hus split Io in half with his mighty adamantine axe and slew him.
However, Erek-Hus could not celebrate long. Shortly after Io's body fell to the ground the two halves transformed into two new gods: Tiamat and Bahamut. Together they battled and slew Erek-Hus, thus avenging their father and taking his place as the gods of dragon kind.
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nice picture.
its hard to believe there was anything powerfull enough to take out Io single handedely.Β
i was never crazy about the 4e rendition of the dawn wars,i prefer the older story of Io actually creating tiamat and Bahamut,rather than just being a resulft of him being killed.Β
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How he could beat a dragon god while losing to what it was transformed into? Or it was like "Slay a lord of dragons and lose to what it was turned into"?
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i question it all the time...it never made sences to me,thats why i never liked that version of the story.
something powerfull enough to kill the namifestation of an Overdeity (because bare in mind Io was not just the god of all dragons,he ws the patriarch of all the other gods).
yet get over powered by two "lesser gods" that are spawned in Ios place.
the only thing i like aout 4e is how they made Bahamut a Greater deity....but sadly that staatus was eventually stripped of him
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I mean he was described as one you cannot defeat, no matter who are you. How he, even if that was a birth of other dragons who finished him off, could be killed?Β
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all Overdeities are like that.
Io was Described as being so imposing,so large. that in his natural state,the largest dragon that ever lives was only the size one one of his scales...
Io was so IMMENSELY powerful that his magic and ailities were immesurable...to the point that it was up for interpretation and was "beyond mortal comprehension"(Io did not even have stats for this very reason).
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Plus i cannot imagine him slicing in half a dragon god. Even if he was too powerful to pass away ane became 2 dragons. One is evil. Another is opposite. 2 gods, respected by both dragons and others.
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Thanks!
In general I loved the inclusion of the "Dawn War" to D&D mythology; however, I was not particularly found of the Io/Tiamat/Bahamut creation myth part of it.Β I don't personally use that bit in my own games.
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the dawn war was a thing in 2nd and 3rd addition as well.
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Hmmm.Β Are you sure you are not confusing the Dawn War with the Blood War?Β I certain don't remember anything about the Dawn War in 2e and 3e.Β
The Dawn War I am talking about is definitely a 4e thing.Β The "Dawn War Pantheon" is specifically from 4e as is the elemental chaos (prior editions had separate elemental planes) from which the Primordials (as a group of entities they were also a 4e thing) sprang forth.Β So I am not sure what you are referring too as the "Dawn War" in previous editions, but I am 99% sure it is not what I am referring too.
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im aware of what you are talking about..and that is the same dawn war i am speaking of.
see,the Dawn war is an event in the timeline of the Forgotten realms setting,a setting that exists in from 3rd eddition and 4th eddtion (and i believe 5e)
essentially these events (for the most part was unchanged though certain details were updated as new eddtions came out,so some things in the history of Abeir-Toril were slightly changed.
when 4th eddition came out,the history of the Dawn war was updated changing a few things about dragons.
a retelling of the events was created,causing Io (sometimes called Asgorath) to be slain by a primordial,spliting in half to create Tiamat and Bahamut. the origion of the Dragonborn was given some new flavor as well,as they had become a core playable race. Origionally,the Dragonborn were created by Bahamut and were not naturally accoring creatures (hance the name,Dragonborn of bahamut). but when 4e came out it was changed to them being a vast race said to be created either directly,or indirectly by Io.
as for the elemental chaos,i believe you are correct that that was not a term in 3e..however the primordials still existed in the creation story then as well.
also forgive the long reply.
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I just don't think you are correct about that.Β I certainly don't remember anything about the Dawn War in FR prior to 4e.Β The Forgotten Realms was created by Ed Greenwood and became part of D&D through his articles in "Dragon" magazine.Β It eventually became a true setting in 1987 - 2 years before the 2nd edition of AD&D came out.Β Now I started playing aΒ bit before '87, but I never played in published settings, so my knowledge of FR is a bit limited.Β So - to the internet I go!
OK, so the following timeline is generally what I found on a few wikis: (frome - forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wik⦠)
Days of Thunder:Β -35,000 DR to -30,000 DRΒ
Dawn Age: -30,000 DR to -24,000 DR
First Flowering: -24,000 DR to -12,000 DR
Crown Wars:Β -12,000 DR to -9,000 DR
The Founding Time: -9,000 DR to -3,000 DR
Age of Humanity: -3,000 DR to 1,385 DR
Era of Upheaval 1,385 DR to present
So, I did a little more research and found out that the Dawn War was added to FR as the "Blue Age" and "Shadow Epoch:"Β forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wikβ¦
However, these were added in 2008 as part of the 4e Forgotten Realms Campaign guide.Β Prior to that book there is no reference to the Dawn War.Β Updated timeline:
Blue Age - no dates given
Shadow Epoch - no dates given
Days of Thunder:Β -35,000 DR to -30,000 DRΒ
Dawn Age: -30,000 DR to -24,000 DR
First Flowering: -24,000 DR to -12,000 DR
Crown Wars:Β -12,000 DR to -9,000 DR
The Founding Time: -9,000 DR to -3,000 DR
Age of Humanity: -3,000 DR to 1,385 DR
Era of Upheaval 1,385 DRΒ to present
So, I believe I am correct that the Dawn War did not existing before 4e.Β If you have another source that indicates something different - please let me know.Β Thanks!
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all i have is memories of talking and hearing about it,before 4e even came out.maybe it wasnt called the dawn war,maybe it was referred to as the dawn age..if i find any sources il let you know...but there really no point in arguing.
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Not trying to argue - trying to learn.Β As I mentioned, I didn't (and don't) play in official settings, so my knowledge is spotty.Β I had just never heard of the "Dawn War" predating 4e and was trying to verify the information, that is all.
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I always wondered what he looked like, and now I know. This looks more appropriate than the picture in Draconomicon. By the way, good job on making the axe "rough hewn" as it was described.
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Thank you, I'm glad you liked it. I thought the addition of the Primordials was on of the best parts of 4e.
I have made 4e stats for most of the demon lords and gods (posted on the D&D forums), and I really wanted to do all of the known primordials (+ a few of my own), but I don't think I will get a chance before 5e fully supplants 4e.
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I like how the Primordial/God thing is based on the Titan/Olympian story in Greek mythology.
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Yep - that works for me too. Although, it is not just greek mythology. Egyptian, Babylonian, and Norse mythology of similar creation type myths. Probably other mythologies as well. That is why D&D modified their cosmos I would guess.
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Norse=Frost Giants (esp. Ymir)
Egyptian=Set
Not so familiar with Babylonian
Most have an older entity replaced by a newer entity. In the case of the Greeks, it represented the peaceful, advanced Mycenaeans being replaced by the violent Dorians. In most patriarchal societies you will find similar mythology.
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Babylonian = Tiamat
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Oh yes, with Anzu and Marduk.
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How many Draconomicons are they going to put out for 4e?
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Well, I'm not sure. The Draconomicon II - Metallic dragons is scheduled for 11/09. They may do another one to pick up the planar, catastrophic and scourge dragons that they mention in the MM, but I'm not sure. They included at least some (or maybe all) planar dragons in the Draconomicon I - Chromatic dragons, so they might to the same for the second book too. We will have to wait and see I guess.
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I'll have to check those out...
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Basic yet brutal sketch-I'd have been tempted to use a darker shade of brown, but the eye & lava-drool are suitably nasty, and the primal simplicity of that butcher's blade drives home this beast's nature. No glamours, artifacts or fancy mystic gizmos-sheer savage force is the name of E-H's game.
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Thanks.
I was planning on going with something darker when I started, but I liked this so I kept it.
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cool , and i thought that i might point out that in the artist comments you have put a h infront of the as in the last line
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thanks and thank you for telling me about the h, i've fixed it now.
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thank you and thank you for the fave!
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I like the idea, Those i would like to see a more tightly rendered version of this monster/elemental/god(?).
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well if you get )or go look at) the current Draconomicon: Chromatic Dragons they have a picture of Erek-Hus fighting Io. It is quite a bit different than my take, but it is a much better piece of art!
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