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tclego [2013-10-09 22:17:32 +0000 UTC]
Looks good!
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4ScarfAce4 [2013-10-08 19:56:51 +0000 UTC]
Excellent work. Having once burnt through a year's energy in a month, I can relate to this ...
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4ScarfAce4 In reply to LinkinshirePony [2013-10-11 08:48:48 +0000 UTC]
If you look at the Mane Six, they actually all have a robust work ethic of some kind. Some are healthier than others, of course.
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LinkinshirePony In reply to 4ScarfAce4 [2013-10-16 19:40:00 +0000 UTC]
I agree. Applejack with the farm labour and Twilight with her studies are the most obvious ones but they do all, in one form or another, definitely put a lot of effort into their work.
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4ScarfAce4 In reply to LinkinshirePony [2013-10-16 21:46:00 +0000 UTC]
To be honest, I'm slightly worried about Pinkie Pie. While she does seem to have plenty of free time, she never (!) shows any signs of being tired from her normal job ... what would happen if she had to find some other kind of work? Or if the workload at Sugar Cube Corner suddenly intensified?
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LinkinshirePony In reply to 4ScarfAce4 [2013-10-18 17:21:02 +0000 UTC]
Some part of me wonders how she manages it. She likely has a high sugar diet that keeps her going but I can't imagine that'd be at all healthy for her.
Plus, Sugarcube Corner seems to be just about the only bakery/confectionery in Ponyville so I'll bet they have a dinner rush that can't be easy to manage.
Thinking back on how she handled the twins and had that minor meltdown makes me think that such a situation where she was given too much work could be really bad for her.
Come to think of it, Pinkie probably spends a lot of time either covering the bakery or watching the twins because neither one can be left unattended.
She probably works a lot more than it seems like. It's good fortune though that she enjoys the work and is very motivated.
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4ScarfAce4 In reply to LinkinshirePony [2013-10-19 14:16:13 +0000 UTC]
Most people are sensitive to the mood of the people around them, some more so than others. For example, if you're in a large crowd of angry/discontent people, the annoyance will most likely start to bleed into your own mood. My theory is that Pinkie Pie "absorbs" emotions to an extreme extent and can even be dependent on the mood of the ponies around her being positive and stable - thus her constant striving to make everypony happy, and in contrast, the misery of her life on the rock farm. We don't have any indication of her being physically or mentally abused in any particular way, but if my theory is correct, then doing an unstimulating job in a bleak environment together with emotionally cold family members would have been a great pressure. We saw in A Friend In Deed that Pinkie will ignore another character's discomfort if she thinks that she still has a chance of making them happy, and in the song, she had several lines that imply that positive feelings in those around her are very important ("I give a smile, I get a smile/And that's so special to me", "Yes the perfect gift for me/Is a smile as wide as a mile"). And in Party of One, we saw that the thing that really makes her melt down is not being able to entertain her friends. When "Pinkamena" (straight mane) returned in the Season 3 finale, I don't think it was because she was having to work too hard - as you've said, Sugar Cube Corner must take some running. I think the real downer in the farm work was putting a lot of work into an everyday task that everypony would take for granted, that wouldn't necessarily cause any special smiles or moments of joy.
Also, Pinkie's metabolism could well be tied to her emotions. At the end of Too Many Pinkie Pies, an episode in which she had a long chain of highs and lows in quick succession, she went to sleep on the floor of Sugar Cube Corner. She wasn't equal to just sitting with her friends for an hour or so, or even dragging herself up to bed - she just collapsed where she was. If the way that Pinkie feels influences her energy levels in such an extreme manner, it's quite possible that being happy - which, for Pinkie, equals making others happy - is a potential number one power source. That could mean that the energy she puts into serving at Sugar Cube Corner comes straight back when she sees a satisfied customer's smile. In theory, this would mean that she could work an endless dinner shift, although at a certain limited speed to ensure that each customer got stisfying service.
Carrying on with this argumentation, the reason why the twins posed such a problem for her was that, at a month old, their emotions weren't yet stabilized enough for Pinkie to be able to count on them for power. Also, having only known them for a month, Pinkie didn't know what would please them (and obviously couldn't just ask them). If she spent more time with them, it's quite probable that she would work out how their emotional ranges work, how to press the right buttons and get the maximum of feedback energy.
I agree that her choice of job is highly fortunate - she has a passion for both good food and service, and they're areas in which she can get quick and powerful feedback energy.
Although I agree that she probably eats more sugar than is recommended, I think that Pinkie Pie is simply too smart to try and subsist on high-energy, low-bulk foods for any length of time. After all, while she's random and zippy, I think some of her randomness may be calculated, although I'm not sure for what reason.
This may be one of the longest comments I've ever posted, so feel free to take your time reading it. Peace out.
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LinkinshirePony In reply to 4ScarfAce4 [2013-10-20 15:09:27 +0000 UTC]
I began reading and was about to bring up the Smile song and Party of One to support your statements but you beat me to the punch. Before anything else, thank you for the thorough and interesting analysis. It was a very enjoyable read.
The only question that really arises in my mind from your theory is how, if she's fuelled by the happiness of others, did she ever pull herself out of the dull and unhappy environment of the rock farm to bring herself to smile and plan a party? Unless, of course, the Sonic Rainboom created a similar feeling that was enough to snap her out of it long enough for her to capitalise on it...?
The implications are interesting. Perhaps there is magic in a Rainboom which could potentially encourage positive emotions or outcomes?
Also, I do very much agree that Pinkie is too intelligent to use sugar as a means of keeping herself going. I don't doubt that, however silly she acts, she's also far cleverer than anybody gives her credit for and so would be very aware of the dangers to such behaviour. Then again, I'm also certain that she's prone to snacking on sweet treats when she thinks no one's looking.
In regards to her randomness being calculated, it's a very interesting concept though not one that I can really explain either. Pinkie will likely remain a mystery in most regards.
Anyway, thank you again for the read and your thoughts. I'm now rather tempted to make something of this as an art piece somehow.
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4ScarfAce4 In reply to LinkinshirePony [2013-10-21 21:07:51 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! Good to see that my powers of interpretation are still active.
If Pinkie's happiness fuel ability is something that she was born with, I would have thought that it would latch onto any source of power it could find and keep it going for as long as possible. After being starved for practically all her life, a huge boost like the Rainboom would be something that would power it for a while - if possible, until Pinkie found a way to generate happiness by herself. Her natural intelligence then made sure that she found an effective way of perpetuating it.
Even the cleverest of us have addictions, and we have to binge every now and again.
I think there have been indications that, despite being an earth pony, Pinkie has abilities above and over the normal. I don't just mean the exploitation of cartoon physics and wanton damage to the Fourth Wall. There's the Pinkie Sense, which Twilight just had accept was something that worked, despite its apparent lack of logical causes. Twilight's generally good at seeing the logical backgrounds behind the workings of the MLP world, but Pinkie can generally explain things that she can't, and there seems to be a lot of that.
But the big clincher for me is the "lucky guess" in Equestria Girls. Both the human and pony versions of Pinkie guessed - in detail - the facts behind Twilight's activities on the other side of the mirror. For this to happen once could be interpreted as the abnormal good luck that Pinkie has often been shown to have, but if they used the same gag twice ... it could just mean that they were making a "random Pinkie" joke. Or it could mean that Pinkie has unusual knowledge, in an intuitive way, of what's going on in parallel worlds. Remember, the human versions of the unicorns and pegasi didn't have their special abilities (magic and flight) in the parallel world. But both versions of Pinkie were able to use this power, not to mention using cartoon physics.
That's quite a speculation to make, I know. But I think it's interesting to think that Pinkie might have raw power equalling or even surpassing Twilight's. Of course, since she can't harness it, Twilight is most likely to be more reliably powerful in the use of her abilities.
And if you turn this into work ... I'd be delighted to see it. Thanks for listening to my crazed rambling!
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LinkinshirePony In reply to 4ScarfAce4 [2013-10-22 15:14:04 +0000 UTC]
It's been a pleasure to read. It's definitely very interesting to think of Pinkie in such detail. It seems the more you do it, the more you can consider.
It would work for Pinkie to have been born as an anomaly within her family. Perhaps with something like an internal generator that runs on happiness which would, of course, contrast with her families apparent lack of emotion and could have been harmful had she remained there.
Some part of me likes to think that this individuality could've been due to the magic of the MLP universe and her 'destiny', as it were, to meet her friends that made her so different, though the more logical part wonders if it could be some sort of side-effect to generations of her family being exposed to natural (or perhaps unnatural) radiation from the rocks they were farming. After all, the earth is rather adept at absorbing radiation and retaining it for a long time. Though that's mostly my headcanon talking there.
But anyway, the source of her uniqueness is something that I struggle to explain when her family are generally so dull. Then again, she could just be special. I don't suppose she'd need an explanation. Pinkie tends to be above logic, especially the scientific kind.
Continuing from this though, I like the idea of Granny Pie providing the young Pinkie with enough happiness to at least keep herself going through the monotony.
Ah yes, Equestria Girls. You can't forget Pinkie's apparent all knowing nature in that film. I was chewing over it for a while after watching it and wondering about the implications. Nevertheless, it's something that I can certainly support the idea of. Perhaps all Pinkies are connected somehow with a shared knowledge? An interesting concept if nothing else.
Finally, another person who believes Pinkie to at least be Twilight's equal in power! It's been my own belief for some time but all too many seem to prefer to see Pinkie as just a whimsical and comedic character. I much prefer to see her as a pony who can do those things because of her own extraordinary capabilities and whilst I agree that she can't harness it consciously, I like to think that she also unintentionally taps into it to allow her to play out her gimmicks for the greatest amount of return from other ponies in the form of happiness; her fuel.
Speaking of crazed ramblings, there goes one of mine! I'll be thinking up some ideas for some art soon and I'll get to it eventually. It's a far too fascinating thing not to make something of.
But anyway, I've very much enjoyed it. You have a lot of interesting ideas, my good sir.
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4ScarfAce4 In reply to LinkinshirePony [2013-10-22 21:40:45 +0000 UTC]
Granny Pie, of course. Although I do wonder where she's been all through the show ... I actually mentioned her in my first major pony fanfic.
Pinkie's always been something of an antipole to Twilight, so them having powers at the same level would make sense. Also, consider this: Twilight is often the only pony around who knows everything that's going on (due to Celestia spending most of her time on the Helicarrier that is Canterlot Castle), and all of this knowledge comes from within her. She has, more than once, been the Light In The Darkness (I think those capitals look cool, so I'm going to leave them), leading a group of friends she barely knew to defeat Equestria's collective nightmare, fighting against everypony else's convictions to save her brother and refusing help from Spike because she had been told that she needed to face her task alone. Twilight, in short, is a fund of knowledge, who takes support from her friends, but ultimately leads alone. The point of the wedge charge can be a lonely place.
But if we accept the Pinkieswarm, to coin a phrase, to be true, then we have Pinkie using a kind of opposite model. Her knowledge comes from a great multitude of minds and experiences. In person, she acts as part of the group in her world, but the Pinkies of the other worlds are watching her, unable to help.
It would make sense for Pinkie to pour her abilities into powering herself by making people happy - it's called realization of assets. Practically every animal in the world does it, and it's a key skill in human life.
Pinkie's role as a purely "whimsical and comedic character" died for me in Party of One. I know someone like that - cheerful, random and intelligent, but also prone to bouts of sadness when things don't go right. Pinkie's experience in that episode was one of the closest replications of real-life behaviour the show has ever had, even two seasons and a spin-off later.
Thank you for gabbling along with me, it's been most entertaining. I'm honoured to have been able to converse with you.
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LinkinshirePony In reply to 4ScarfAce4 [2013-10-25 17:18:44 +0000 UTC]
I like to imagine Granny Pie as something of a completely mad seeming nomad who wanders Equestria (or wherever else she feels like) spreading bafflement and good cheer, though mostly bafflement. I'd certainly love to see her appear at some point or at least have an explanation as to where she is or even if she's still alive.
I've always felt like Twilight, even as the first character we really met in the MLP-verse, is often one of the most overlooked for just how much she does. Her own mentality is one of constant humility and as such, she doesn't really take pride in anything she achieves and places, I believe, far too much pressure on herself to achieve more.
She has a large burden to bear, even more so as a Princess, and it's a wonder how she continues with apparent ease when she's got the weight of her destiny and everybody's expectations resting so heavily on her. Being a leader before she 'ascended' as it were, must have been a big enough challenge but now? We can only hope that the pressure doesn't get to her. She does tend to... crack on occasion and that can't be a healthy mentality.
Besides, adding to what you've said there, it's also rather lonely at the top. I have my fingers crossed that she'll remain in Ponyville rather than be shipped off to that Helicarrier, as you so aptly called it.
And now I've rambled about Twilight, as if Pinkie isn't enough to talk about.
But again, it's a very interesting concept for Pinkie be Twilight's opposite in this manner, allowing herself to take resources from her other selves in a conscious and/or subconscious way in order to give her that strange insight.
Party of One, to me, really gave Pinkie a new side to her character. It seems quite tragic to me that so many people tend to overlook the fact she was feeling extremely hurt in favour of picking at the fact she was angry too and decide to twist her character into some sort of psychotic one. The reality of it was that she was hurt and she was being bothered by the ponies that had hurt her and she was, understandably, quite angry. Not to say I have anything against the parts of the fandom that take that psychotic viewpoint of her but it does bother me with it's irrationality.
Anyway, for me, it presented the fact that Pinkie isn't flawless and she gets upset too. As you said, like real people do.
Party of One, does in fact remain my favourite Pinkie episode to date.
Thank you to you too, my friend! It's been very interesting and very enjoyable talking with you.
The honour's all mine, good sir.
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4ScarfAce4 In reply to LinkinshirePony [2013-10-26 20:26:49 +0000 UTC]
I actually whipped up quite an extensive headcanon about Granny Pie, complete with the reason that she left ... it's one of the few parts of that old fic I don't want to change.
I expect Twilight will still be based in Ponyville. After all, the other Elements of Harmony are there, and relocating Applejack or Fluttershy to Canterlot ... just wouldn't work. I could see Twilight travelling around Equestria a lot, though, so as to spread the friendship through the country more thoroughly. Luckily, Equestrian transport seems to be reasonably advanced, and a Princess would probably get cared for quite well - we haven't seen any republican ponies or striking railway workers yet.
I think Pinkie's really a one-of-a-kind character. Whoever designed her - , as far as we know - took the character with possibly the most girly name and persona and turned her into the phenomenon we've been discussing. A lot of developments have happened since she stepped down as Executive Producer, but the Pinkie Sense and the Party of One first occurred during her time, and so were a lot of cartoon physics exploitations and preternatural knowledge flashes.
I take off my scarf to you.
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LinkinshirePony In reply to 4ScarfAce4 [2013-11-19 16:27:20 +0000 UTC]
Firstly, my apologies for the very late reply but life got quite hectic very quickly.
But anyway, I'd certainly be very interested to hear more about this headcanon concerning Granny Pie. A link to this fic of yours, perhaps? Or otherwise I'd be happy to just have the opportunity to continue talking with you about this.
And now, with the Season 4 opening episode on the horizon, we're very close to finding out just what's changed.
I also think that relocating Twilight would be a bad idea, as much for keeping the unity of the Elements as anything. Besides, I couldn't imagine that Twilight would be all too pleased about leaving behind all her friends in order to return to Canterlot. It wouldn't be very her if she did. Especially considering how reluctant she was to leave back in part 2 of the Season 1 opener.
Lauren Faust; the lady herself. She may not have stuck around too long but I can only admire her for what she began and the characters she put together, each of them very unique, Pinkie especially so, of course.
Truthfully, I think it's part of Pinkie's charm that she's such a strange being, defying physics and rational law seem to be some of her favourite pastimes. To figure her out is likely an impossible feat as all we can do on speculate on nonsensical occurrences.
And I tip my hat to you in return, chap!
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4ScarfAce4 In reply to LinkinshirePony [2013-11-23 17:20:56 +0000 UTC]
As far as the Granny Pie theory is concerned, I'd be glad to give you the links. Here they are, in order:
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Just to give the necessary context - the Mane Six and Spike have been captured by a factory owner, who is causing them to have nightmares which he can then harvest and turn into rainbow paint. Pinkie's nightmare is being confronted with the one time that she failed to help a pony in need and make them smile.
As I write, the season opener has screened and I'm waiting for it to be posted on YouTube (I don't trust livestreams, especially as they require you to be punctual). And from what I've heard, it involves Twilight taking responsibility and is all-around awesome (someone gave it 15/10 before it had even finished).
Having thought about the Pinkieswarm, as I like to call it, I'm pretty sure that it would make a good premise for a story - a character touches the multiverse by contacting all the Pinkies that are spread throughout it.
LinkinshirePony ... my mother was born in Lincolnshire.
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LinkinshirePony In reply to 4ScarfAce4 [2013-11-24 21:43:14 +0000 UTC]
Thank you very much for the links! I really enjoyed reading them and I have to say that you have Pinkie's manner of speaking down spectacularly well. I really like your idea behind Granny Pie leaving too, the only question now is what happened to her after she spoke to Princess Celestia?
And an interesting story to it as well.Β Very interesting indeed and Pinkie's nightmare fitted her personality well, I think.
Ah yes, the season opener. I watched it just this morning and I have to say that I was pretty impressed by it. I couldn't help but wish we'd found out more about the Elements of Harmony but what we were told was fantastic. I won't say too much in case you've yet to see it for one reason or another but I really did enjoy both parts of it and it's definitely 'all around awesome'.
And that could very well be a good idea to explore as a story. The possibilities are almost endless though I'm sure that the amount of Pinkie involved would certainly be a feat to tackle all by itself.
And you are only the second person during my entire time on DA to know that my name is a calling to the county, the one in which I live in fact. I've had guesses ranging from Lord of the Rings to Linkin Park but it pleases me to hear from somebody who recognises it and has heritage from the area too.
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4ScarfAce4 In reply to LinkinshirePony [2013-12-05 16:47:50 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for your kind words - they mean a great deal, as this was the first pony fanfic that I ever published. After speaking to Princess Celestia, Granny Pie hitch-hiked out of Canterlot and is now travelling between farms, sharing household help, kindness and wisdom in return for food and shelter. While she's frequently seen and always welcome at Apple Family farms, she's never been to a get-together as she isn't an Apple herself; thus, the Ponyville Apple Family has never met her.
Also, my headcanon concerning Pinkie's middle name is connected to her. Pinkie gives various fantasy middle names, confusing many of the ponies around her, because she feels ashamed of her real middle name - Grandella, like her beloved "Grannie" Pie, whom she failed to follow in kindness.
By now, I've seen the opener and the third episode, and I like where it's going. At some point, the new writers are going to have to bring the ponies back into the sunlight, but for now, the adventure-ish stories are chiming in pretty well with Mrs Faust's intentions of making ponies more than "for little girls".
I'm afraid I've never been to Lincolnshire myself, as the bulk of my family has relocated to Cambridgeshire. I hear it's pretty rural, though.
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BloodyMessiah [2013-10-06 04:50:00 +0000 UTC]
Ha ha, her hair style is a little hard to draw.Β Β Β its like why cant you have a fashion sense like RD?Β Β
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and that story you added in there makes a lot of sense.Β Β I never look into fashion, so I already don't care for it that much.Β Β like I see fashion magazines and stuff, but I always ignore it, cuz I have my own scrub style, ha ha.Β Β like for her, she must have a divine Love for it to stay in that profession (cuz I aint really into design and creativity-even though I draw for this site, ho ho).Β Β
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nice work, and I see youre going back to your normal style??
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LinkinshirePony In reply to BloodyMessiah [2013-10-06 14:00:51 +0000 UTC]
Heheh. I've thought that same things many times.
And I'm glad you approve of my headcanon. I gotta agree with you too. You really do need to be a special kind of pony to deal with the cruel world of fashion.
Yeah, I'm back to this style for now. I'll be jumping back and forth a little but this is gonna stay my main one I think.
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CuttleDreams In reply to LinkinshirePony [2013-10-06 20:20:21 +0000 UTC]
xD
Mhm. She deserves it, certainly.Β
They are such a diverse group of friends, all willing to help each other whenever they can; rather inspiring, even if it is a tv show.
We should have a Rarity appreciation day, on which we avoid green hair and incorrect usage of brown; a day on which we go the long way in order to avoid that puddle of mud. A day on which we all wear dresses and tuxedos. A day, on which we can all work together to create a masterpiece, sewn from the struggles of our lives, and worn by the togetherness of our friendships.
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CuttleDreams In reply to LinkinshirePony [2013-10-06 23:23:56 +0000 UTC]
Definitely. I wonder if we will get to see more of that with them this coming season.
Hehe, I kinda let my mind run away with the speech halfway through. xD
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HarmonicSoul [2013-10-05 21:39:35 +0000 UTC]
Looks really cool, luv the ponee style
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LinkinshirePony In reply to HarmonicSoul [2013-10-05 21:45:01 +0000 UTC]
Thanks, dude. It's a pone style that requires Creativity. Some might even say it's a Rarity!Β
Hahah... Bad puns.
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HarmonicSoul In reply to LinkinshirePony [2013-10-06 02:48:02 +0000 UTC]
Not bad (meme), mah computer explodes with just seeing rarity that you did :3 (sorry dude, mah w-english is very limited :C )
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