HOME | DD
MrWolf86 — Charley and Harold
Published: 2014-03-29 23:04:09 +0000 UTC; Views: 4602; Favourites: 74; Downloads: 8
Redirect to original
Description
No, this time I did not make new OCs.This is an image of two Disney weasels from Mickey's Christmas Carol.
The two grave diggers.
I don´t know who is who here, but their names are Charley and Harold and I guess they are not just working together but also friends who spend time together after work at a pup because in the German dub one of them says ' Lets have a drink before we close the grave' and the other one says 'Haha yeah he won´t go anywhere anyway'
Their names I found here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Mr7s…
They are mentioned in a book but not in the movie.
I guess as far as I know one of these very few weasels who have real names instead of synonyms like Smart Guy, Greasy, Psycho which more describe personality than being names.
The weasels in Disney movies often seem to drink and be at pubs LOL
1. weasels hide in a pub which's owner is their friend Mister Winkey in The Adventures of Mr. Toad.
Later at Toad hall they are all drunk XD
2. In the movie The Prince and the Pauper, weasels work as guards of the castle and as a kind of police patrol in town who rob food for the king from the folk. One of the weasels is seen with Captain Pete eating and drinking beer being rather drunk too.
3. The two grave diggers said in the German dub that they want to take a drink before continuing their work which means they visit a pub and drink alcohol.
Artwork, idea and concept by me (C)
Characters belong to Walt Disney Company (C)
Related content
Comments: 46
Their names actually come from the original 1974 vinyl version of Christmas Carol, which is a lot different from the animated version. The Ghost of Christmas Future is played by the witch from Snow White, for example.
It's odd because in that version there's nothing that says the gravediggers were weasels. I had no idea that the names were eventually paired with them!
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Interesting. Well I think it is better they have names because it gives them some personality and identity.
Maybe later on they made the book because the youtube video seams to show the book with the original text and there the weasels are shown the way they are in the movie. I have no idea what was made first, the book or the movie? I think it was the movie. But it is strange that they picked the text from the vinyl version instead of the movie plot for the book.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
The vinyl album was first, then the animated featurette, and then I presume the book. I'm not entirely sure if the book borrowed from the vinyl or not.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
That´s I can´t say either. But I also guess that the books usually always came after the movie.
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
Yeah seems like that XD
Well, someone gave me the plot quotes about these two of the English original dub where they did not say that they go to a pub and drink something. Strange how Germans change the lines hu?
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Yeah it's interesting how things change when they are dubbed over. Maybe it made more sense in the German to say they went to a pub.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Yes maybe, but it makes the conversation more adult too, like the typical old buds who have a break from their hard low-payed job enjoying a beer at a pub LOL
I have a new term. 'Life is no Disneyland' LOL
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
I watched Mickey's house of mouse on Netflix today and in one of the skits, his house detailer was a weasel that had the same basic body as your speedster character.
It was weird O_O
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Which episode was it? Do you remember the title?
It could be possible since Speedster is based on the modern Disney weasels.
But I used Smart Guy the weasel and the weasels from Mickey's Speedway USA game as reference idea.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Is was a movie, the "house of villains" Halloween special.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Ahh this one, thought I saw it before. I need to check it out again, was a long time ago that I watched it on TV. Sadly the youtube things often are blocked.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Yes YouTube's been very strict lately. I watched it on Netflix though.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I have to find it, or do you have a link to the episode?
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Do you know at which time he appeared? I watched the thing but didn´t see him.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
The second skit where Mickey moves out of his old house.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Ahh yes, that part I have skipped too early, I saw when he already lived in the new house XD
I saw images of the guy on the weasel site where tons of different screenshots are from different movies, also house of mouse episodes.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Hehe yeah it just reminded me of that comic you wrote with Mickey and Speedster.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
LOL yeah when you think about that scene I guess it is obvious why Mickey thinks bad about weasels.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I didn't think they had names at all (and bringing up that Read-Along video from YouTube, I'm surprised I forgot they did since I had that record once). Whether they had those names during the production of the film or just for the Read-along, I dunno.
"3. The two grave diggers said in the German dub that they want to take a drink before continuing their work which means they visit a pup and drink alcohol."
Because I probably already saw the Wind in the Willows film before Mickey's Christmas Carol at the time, I probably assumed they were just one of the weasels from that film in a cameo they way they were using those characters here (Mr. Toad for example plays a character Scrooge remembers from a dance at one point). By the way, it's "pub", not "pup".
Just watching the scene again, here's what the lines were originally in English (incidentally while one has a Cockney accent the other sounds like Peter Lorre I noticed)...
(both laughing)
"I've never seen a funeral like this one!"
"Aye. No mourners, no friends to bid him farewell."
"Oh well, let's rest a minute before we fill it in, eh? He ain't going nowheres!
(laughter fades)
So apparently someone in the German version decided to spice it up with the drink remark that otherwise we didn't get back home. Wouldn't say it's an improvement, but a nice mature way of depicting the life of grave-digging weasels in 19th century England.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
LOL yes, they often make slight changes in dubs, don´t know why.
Argh I did write pub wrong? LOL maybe comes because I write the word 'pup' or 'puppy' much more than I write about pubs XD
Yes now when you say that Rat and Mole played the guys who wanted collectives from Scrooge and didn´t get any. I didn´t realize that, yet Disney used many of their designs for similar characters in many different movies.
I dunno where Mr. Toad lived, somewhere in the shires I guess?
I have no idea, but the Christmas Carol plays in London, right?
Maybe both parts were not that far away.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
"LOL yes, they often make slight changes in dubs, don´t know why."
Some people have better ideas of what works in adapting foreign works into their language. We of course have seen that happen with dubbing Japanese anime here in the US many times in the past when a line is added in that either improves or destroys whatever intentions had been there before.
"Argh I did write pub wrong? LOL maybe comes because I write the word 'pup' or 'puppy' much more than I write about pubs XD"
Perhaps. Of course there's way too many names to use to describe such a place like "Tavern", "Bar", "Saloon" "Inn" and perhaps if you prefer something a little blue-collar, "Watering Hole".
"Yes now when you say that Rat and Mole played the guys who wanted collectives from Scrooge and didn´t get any. I didn´t realize that, yet Disney used many of their designs for similar characters in many different movies.
I dunno where Mr. Toad lived, somewhere in the shires I guess?
I have no idea, but the Christmas Carol plays in London, right?
Maybe both parts were not that far away."
Basically the original Wind in the Willows novel takes place somewhere in the British countryside. Mr. Toad and his friends live in what is called "The River Bank" while the weasels, stoats and ferrets occupy "The Wild Wood" where Badger has residence at. There's also the "Outside World" which Rat informed Mole that they never speak of at all (this could be implied to be the human world that Mr. Toad eventually gets stuck in as the story progresses).
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Yeah could be since humans also play a role in that story. Maybe the River Bank is not that far away from London because we see how Toad was in jail which looked a lot like the Tower of London? I dunno. Yes I know the word 'tavern' for 'pub' too but actually was not popping into my head. Nah it doesn´t matter anyway. I now remember quite well how to write it correctly because you pointed it out.
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
Oh yeah! I remember these two.
BTW, Pete is three years older than Mickey.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Do you mean Pete was drawn 3 years after Mickey was drawn for the first time?
Didn´t know that XD
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Yes. Pete was originally created for the Alice Comedies of the mid 20s.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
And then they decided to make him a main-antagonist for Mickey?
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Not just Mickey, but for Donald and Goofy too.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Well I guess many of the today's most famous Disney characters were not developed over night how we know them now.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Probably the first weasels I ever saw in a Disney movie because that movie was one of the very first VHS videos I had.
But I didn´t really recognize them first. Later when I saw Roger Rabbit and the weasels were mentioned as weasels, I knew what weasels are XD
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
For me, I suppose the Wind in the Willows film was my first, then Mickey's Christmas Carol and then Roger Rabbit.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I fist saw Mickey's Christmas Carol because it was one of my first ever VHS video along with a few others.
I was about 4 or 5. I always found that scenes creepy where Jacob Marley came and scared Scrooge XD
Later when I was 6 or something my father watched with me Who framed Roger Rabbit. I liked the weasels pretty much but Judge Doom scared me that much that I didn´t watch the movie again until I was 11.
The Wind in the Willows I saw when I was at the children's house with 13 or 14, don´t remember how old I exactly was. One of the kids bought the video from home to there and we watched it on a Sunday and I was like drawing the weasels in Disney style for the first time.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
"I fist saw Mickey's Christmas Carol because it was one of my first ever VHS video along with a few others.
I was about 4 or 5. I always found that scenes creepy where Jacob Marley came and scared Scrooge XD"
I was never scared by Jacob, probably because I already knew who was playing that role (Goofy) and his role in this already gave me a bit too many slapstick moments as it was. The character I was more impressed at was the reveal of the Ghost of Christmas Future being Pete with that maniacal laughter, that was a cool moment of Scrooge finding out that was his grave and being thrown into it.
Having to watch it again, I realized the later DVD versions kinda spoil the scene with making things look too bright in my opinion. Watching it as a kid in the 80's, I remember how dark everything looked, even the colors of the weasels' outfits weren't too distinguishable as everything looked very black or muddy. While that might seem like a bad thing at the time, I thought it did one good thing at not showing us what was inscribed on the tombstone itself that is revealed to us by Pete's match. I thought it had a very ominous mystique to it that was lost simply because it has to look clean and perfect today. This picture is a little crude as I took what I could find online of these frames but just to show you a comparison of two shots in that scene.
imgur.com/CgwHN64
"Later when I was 6 or something my father watched with me Who framed Roger Rabbit. I liked the weasels pretty much but Judge Doom scared me that much that I didn´t watch the movie again until I was 11."
I was actually 11 when I first saw the film when it came out in '88. I don't recall the film being that scary at all but I was more into simply watching a film that happen to have familiar cartoon characters I knew in it plus this interesting story that unfolds.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
"Having to watch it again, I realized the later DVD versions kinda spoil the scene with making things look too bright in my opinion. Watching it as a kid in the 80's, I remember how dark everything looked, even the colors of the weasels' outfits weren't too distinguishable as everything looked very black or muddy. While that might seem like a bad thing at the time, I thought it did one good thing at not showing us what was inscribed on the tombstone itself that is revealed to us by Pete's match. I thought it had a very ominous mystique to it that was lost simply because it has to look clean and perfect today. This picture is a little crude as I took what I could find online of these frames but just to show you a comparison of two shots in that scene."
Oh yes that is true. Well for reference I truly prefer the DVD version, because of exactly that, you see the colors and the lines way better.
But about the atmosphere which comes across I like the darker muddy version more too.
I found the whole movie a little creepy, but not in a bad way, I was not scared or something, I watched it quite much, but it was not like most movies I had when I was a child.
For example in Snow White, the scene where she runs through the dark forest which was supposed to be a creepy scene or where the Queen made the toxic apple were my favorite scenes of the whole movie. But there I was about 7 or 8.
"I was actually 11 when I first saw the film when it came out in '88. I don't recall the film being that scary at all but I was more into simply watching a film that happen to have familiar cartoon characters I knew in it plus this interesting story that unfolds."
I guess the problem I have with creepy scenes comes from the fact that I have autism. When I was a child I couldn´t realize that a movie is just a movie. The emotions you feel just were real and real things can be scary. I remember that when Judge Doom has shown is true face I started crying and my dad had to stop the video LOL
I didn´t understand the whole story anyway. I only saw that there was a funny rabbit and the funny weasels which I liked, but the rest was too confusing for me.
👍: 0 ⏩: 0