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Published: 2008-07-20 21:45:14 +0000 UTC; Views: 1336; Favourites: 79; Downloads: 0
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Sunset from Kilve beach.I used the natural rock formations to lead the eye to Minehead. I quite like the composition on this shot. I had to hunt around this area to get this how I wanted.
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The leading line in the rocks make this picture the stunner that it is, you must have spent ages finding the perfect spot where they pointed towards the cliff!! I also love that the orange sky is reflected in the bits of water between the rocks at the bottom. I'll definitely be adding Kilve to my list of places to visit! Thanks for sharing!
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Glad you like it.
Didn't take too long to find. Once you learn to spot compositions it can be quite quick (providing you know what your looking for in a shot and the light is playing ball).
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stunning piece Justin
i seem to be missing images like this one (hee hee)
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thanks. glad you like it! 
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You've obviously haven't seen all the favs I've made from there hehehe
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Ah yeah I did - they started piling in after I posted lol.
thanks for the support!
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you were right, the portrait version isn't as good. this is lovely with all the colors and the depth
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I like this...the leading line works really well and the light on the rocks is lovely. Perhaps I'd prefer a lower viewpoint, but that's just me.
Reading what people are saying about diffraction and softness is interesting.
When I first came across people saying this last year I checked it out and studied my own images at different apertures. For sure there's a difference in the corners, but the variation in the centre between f11 and f22 is very very hard to see....even at 100% magnification.
If you've shot RAW and used decent sharpening methods in post processing, then it's highly unlikely that softness due to diffraction will be visible on a resized internet image.
Any softness in an internet image like this I would guess is more likely to be due to resizing for the internet and JPEG conversion.
As for shooting at f22, I agree with you. If it's what the shot demands, then do it. With decent RAW files (which you get from the D300) any loss of sharpness can be restored later. Sure, someone looking at a pixel level might notice it, but for prints, and certainly for internet images, the difference is practically impossible to see.
Besides, I don't think this is soft at all
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Thanks buddy 
thanks again mate. your input is truly appreciated
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yeah I might have to dial that back a bit. I'm not sure how I let it get like that.
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I'll be honest. This one does nothing for me I find the comp too obvious and the lhs too cluttered. Aside from that I feel it's way over saturated the orange and reds in the sky have blocked out....
Sorry.
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Thats alright mate
Obvious compositions work quite well. Theres only a minute bit of burn out in the sky - I checked that altough looking at it here it does look like there may be a teeny bit more.
LHS clutter - its natural coast. Not a lot we can do about it and I don't believe in excluding stuff from a shot like this as it shows more of the beach detail and gives a bigger picture rather than my usual method selecting individual groups or rock with water in them
Critiques welcome tho
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"Obvious compositions work quite well" not in this case they don't......LOL!!!
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fair enough
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I like it, it's a great image but I find it to kind of soft.
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The only way we could really tell is by a 100% comparison it's impossible to tell at these resolutions.
My point still stands tho - you should be staying well away from apertures beyond f16 because diffraction at that level becomes very obvious and if it looks soft on screen then it will only get worse in print and worse the bigger you print. I would imagine that your camera is diff limited at around f11? Which means closing your aperture beyond that limit is actually loosing you resolution. I can get away with with f16 or even f18 but if the image demands sharpness and detail I will stop at f16.
It's all about preserving resolution/sharpness with digital landscape photography, portrait photographers never have to think about it due to the wide apertures they use.
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after fallout said about across the entire frame I think your right about it being diffraction. I just know a number of shots I was slighlty out on focus.
anyway you don't have to limit yourself to before f/22. I've taken numerous pin sharp shots at f22 which is why i wasn't convinced this was diffraction originally. Somtimes f/22+ is the only way to get the exposure time you want - especially as the suns coming up and light is getting brighter and brighter and you've run out of ND's to stack, which of course you dont do due to colour casts.
You can get away with it beacuse your full frame, have max sharpness at f/16 and have ISO 50.
Anyway like I said i've had dozens of sharp shots at f/22 and i'm not going to stray from it for a little bit of softness
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I too think that it is most likely do to refraction since he shot at f22. Portrait photographer's do have have to worry about this problem because it also occurs when you are at f2.8 it just isn't as noticeable since you have out of focus areas to compare to. Generally a lens has a specific aperture usually somewhere near the middle value when it has the highest resolution and the further away you move the area of focus becomes.
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I think it is more than likely due to diffraction because the whole image looks soft but not using unsharp mask will also have an effect see Jake's post and my response.
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yeah now you've said that it makes more sense. Just strange how some other shots are sharp as hell at f22 directly from camera. ah well, as I said it doesn't really matter
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I think that the composition is exceptional. I like the way the broad rock formation in the right corner leads the eye towards where the perspective thins out. the overal tone is also great and the chosen time of day worked out well.
greetings,
Erik Kluft Photography
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thanks. glad you like it!
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It's great! Composition is lovely 1/3 -2/3, the eye is led through the image beautifully by the rocks and the horizon and the colours are stunning! Love it 
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