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Oh, I'm sorry, self- was that a knife you wanted to draw? Well, TOO BAD! You're sticking with this.Anyway, terrible puns aside, I really like this piece. I rarely draw creepy stuff, so this was a first. The coloring techniques used were also a first, but I'm pretty happy with them. (Note to self though: in order to make them work, you must have something actually CASTING those shadows.
Also... please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks of Frisk as the real threat in the game. Seriously, everywhere I look, Chara is the bad guy. I mean, sure, she's being pretty... disturbing in the Genocide run, but does Chara have the power to come back after death, reset entire timelines, and play with everyone's lives without having to worry about consequences? Nope! The sticknife was in Frisk's hands from the very beginning, and no one can deny that.
Phew. Okay, that's it with my rant. Enjoy the art... I guess?
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Dunno why i thought it was a PET button but ok.
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I totally agree with u, Nojida! FRISK IS LITERALLY JUST PLAIN EVIL!!!!!!!
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I see Frisk as not so much the threat or the one with power, but just... the tool by which they are implemented.
Chara addresses the Player, so we serve as a "character" in the game (so to speak). Everything Frisk does is an extension of our will. Every RESET is of our actions. Chara is at most a voice, until gathering enough LOVE to take control of the poor meat-puppet. Then... the Player destroyed everyone and forced Chara to experience all that death, most likely the reason they've become so twisted and possibly insane by the end of Genocide. But they can't actually harm the Player. All they can do is make it so that he'll never play again; force the contract, then ruin every happy ending the Player makes.
We can guess at what Chara feels or acts, but really the most mysterious character (other than the Riverman, I guess?) in Undertale is Frisk. They're just the medium by which the Player acts. But before the game started, Frisk was a character with their own motives, actions, and history--such as whatever happened that led them to climb a mountain that makes people disappear (damn, Asriel. That was a really good question to ask). I wonder what it's like to wake up from a potentially suicidal fall to find that you've just become a passenger as your body sets off to be a hero and a villain?
I do think that Frisk would follow Pacifist route, though. When you do Genocide, people keep commenting on your freakish emotionlessness or how you just don't seem right, or how your body moves jerkily. In Pacifist, they--going by the comments and reactions of other characters--are quite emotive and normal. Well, apart from your face, of course.
-_-
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I like how you draw Frisk and Chara. Because nobody can identify what gender they are and you still make them both so cuuuute
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I agree with you, I see Frisk as a real threat too. My headcannon about this that Frisk realises which kind of power they have. They can't die because of SAVE and LOAD thing. By simple resetting they can bring everything back to zero, erase memories of all monsters, even return them from the dead. Basically, the Underground becomes Frisk's playground, and all the characters - toys.
(But I'm ok with sweet pacifist Frisk)
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Just imagine Frisk saying all that with your exact words (that is, talking about them in third person).
That's how I imagine the real Frisk being. Just as us: The world is a game for them. Because Frisk, IS us.
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Yea, I imagined how Frisk would tell it to somebody(most likely Sans cuz he's aware of resets)
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m.youtube.com/watch?v=-TpaO1sV⦠this version is perfect for this one art
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Β I just want to say, your art is perfection. <3
Β I really am getting pretty sick and tired of everyone treating Frisk like he/she could never do anything wrong and calling Chara a demon and dumping all the blame for the Genocide Route on her when they(the players) were in control. Chara is there all the time, helping you and guiding you, and even helps you save everyone in the Pacifist Route, and what does she get? The title of "murderer", being subject to undeserved hatred and blame for crimes she did not commit. I honestly don't know how people can get away with calling Chara Satan and portraying her as a melty-faced, knife-wielding killer when it's made pretty obvious that she was influenced by youΒ and was hoping that the mass slaughter of everyone she knew and loved was for some kind of reason. But it was all for fun and out of curiosity.
Β Chara has made mistakes, like everyone else. Asriel selfishly murdered all the monsters again and again as Flowey. Asgore murdered six human children. But we forgive everyone, saying anyone can redeem themselves... except Chara. We forget about the sins and focus on the redeeming qualities of everyone else, but when it comes to Chara, who has so many redeeming qualities and so much depth to be seen through her narration and other bits and pieces throughout the game, we focus on 'her' crimes that she did not commit. Why do we do this? Why do we take an interesting and deep character and throw all of the good stuff about her out of the window and pair all this false guilt with her? It's very simple.Β We think we are above consequences.Β Or want to think, at least.
Β I don't think negatively of Frisk, though. I think he/she is given a bit too much credit for the good deeds in Undertale, but I don't think he/she was anymore guilty for the Genocide Route than Chara. It was all the player's doing. Frisk is the player's portal into the game, the fourth wall. He/She is their puppet, and Chara is their scapegoat.
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And Asriel gets a little too Much love.
Dont get me wrong, i like him too.But people make so many storie and fanfictions and comics of him being savd and acting like nothing went wrong....
Seriously, people....this kid murdered his own parents as a flower simply because he was bored. How could he act like nothing is wrong and everything is all right?! There's a reaso n he didn't want to go in the end!
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asriel is my favorite character, i forgive him but i agree with everything you say
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I always believed that Chara was never the "villain" of Undertale or anything like that. However, Chara does one thing that I believe makes people not like them. They call us out on our actions.
They are one of the few characters that call us, the player, out on our actions as well as make us suffer the consequences of said actions. As players, we like to believe we are in control and free of any blame for our actions cause hey, it is just a game.
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Right?
But Chara takes away that control and because of that we like to point fingers at them rather than ourselves. That's my belief at least.
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That's true for the most part. Basically, people pat themselves on the shoulder when they finish a Pacifist run, but when it's Genocide, they shove all the blame on Chara. Why? Because Chara only truly appears at the end of Genocide.
Think about all the information we're given about Chara throughout the game: in the tapes, they appear to be manipulating Asriel; in the epilogue, Asriel says Chara wasn't the greatest person; in Genocide, they have disturbing dialogue, and eventually destroy the world. All of that makes people think, "Wow, this kid's a demon, aren't they?"
Truthfully, I thought the same about Chara- at first. Because that was all the information I had about them. However, after I dug deep -and I mean really, really deep- I eventually realized that they're not the demon I thought them to be. By now, I'm 99% sure that Toby was doing his best to mislead us when it came to Chara, bringing all their worst moments to the surface while secretly scattering bits and pieces of who they truly are for those who care to know more.
That, in addition to them rubbing our actions in our face and destroying the game, is probably the reason why most people dislike them. But hey, that's just a theory! Β
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Frisk is the one who taught Chara about genocide
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Frisk why child.
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No one will ever know apparently
But we can always have our headcanons
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I agree with you that Frisk is Β threat in the Genocide Route. While, yes, Chara did destroy the world in the end of it, and, yes, she was not 100% innocent, it was still Frisk who started the Genocide Route. It was Frisk who taught Chara that in this world, it's kill or be killed.
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Exactly! I mean, I can't tell why some people still blame her for the events of Genocide- it was Frisk who chose to kill everything in sight, wasn't it? In-game, it's never implied that Chara tried to manipulate Frisk, ever. So why so much hate? Thankfully, though, Chara is slowly gaining more an more supporters, and I'm very happy to see that.
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I completely agree with you once again. In fact, Chara downright states if you do a second Genocide Route, that another path might be better suited. Also, when you boot up your game after Chara destroys the world, she says that it was you, the player AKA Frisk, who let everything to its destruction.Β
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I think we mostly have to thank the game for that. Β
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I'm disappointed that I haven't found you sooner, your artwork is amazing~
...But I'd have to disagree with you on Frisk being the threat.
Take into account that the player controls Frisk the whole time, and that at the very end Flowey says: "...Let Frisk live their life."
You, the player are the one sharing the largest amount of determination, you are the one who decides whether to RESET or not. Frisk has no control over what you do. You choose whether to fight or throw away the knife, not them. I think this picture about sums it up: Click
Here's a little rant I posted previously on the above linked piece explaining some more:
"That's what I don't understand. During the Genocide Route people often draw fanart of Frisk being possessed (I'm guilty of that too, It's just fun to draw ) by Chara or of Frisk crying during the Sans fight or just making her (in my head cannon Frisk is a girl) seem to regret it. Look at the descriptions.Β Papyrus:Β "...BUT THE WAY YOU SHAMBLE ABOUT FROM PLACE TO PLACE..." Sans:Β "heya. you look frustrated about something."
Does that sound like someone who regrets it? Does that sound 'upset' to you? People could argue "No, that's Chara possessing you!" No. Chara only gains the rights to your soul when you FINISH the Genocide Route. All of that is Frisk. You're the one who corrupted her. The only thing Chara does is kill everybody at the end of the Post-Genocide Pacifist Run. So who caused all of this? Who corrupted them? You. The Chara narrator theory covers the rest
Sorry for my long rant Just had to say it"
Chara narrarator theory: Click
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Oh, thank you so much!
Honestly, I completely agree with everything you just said. Game-wise, it's the player who pulls the strings, the characters talk to the player instead of Frisk, and every decision is taken by the player.
However, if, for example, I were to create a fanfiction or a comic (hypothetically speaking-- it's not like I'm actually thinking of doing such thing, haha..), there wouldn't be such thing as a 'player'. Giving Frisk their own personality, motivations and goals is much more interesting to me than portraying them as a puppet who only listens to our will- and, of course, the same applies to Chara.
As for the narrator Chara theory, I've read as many articles as I could find, and I'm a huge supporter. I would literally buy a 'Chara Defense Squad' t-shirt if I could, haha.
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The fangamer store needs to make some of those shirts.
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Ah! I see now, well then carry on my friend
Hey, you're also part of the Chara Defense Club? Awesome!
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Thank you making that rant anyway, it's always nice to find Frisk and Chara supporters. x3
Chara protectors unite!
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Finally, someone agree with me on the real evil guy on the genocide run!!
Chara being evil can't be really true. If so, well, why do you keep control of Frisk the ENTIRE time you play Genocide run? I can agree that they "finish the job" (you know, killing Asgore and flowey and stuff that happen inside the throne room), but, they're too many hole for Chara being the Evil creature everyone draw them.
Also, if you have time, here's a link that someone in DA put in almost every picture that involve Chara:
saveloadreset.tumblr.com/post/β¦
What the author of the tumblrΒ post wrote is really interestingΒ .
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Yes! I get to talk about this with someone!
I completely agree. People just don't like taking responsibility, and so they ignore all those deaths they caused on their own, focus on those few little things Chara supposedly did (I'm mostly talking about walking through Papyrus's puzzles, making creepy faces, etc. though I'm still not sure whether Chara was truly responsible for those), and shove all the blame into the little kid that only learned violence because of the player.
However, I like to think that, in the Undertale world, there's no such thing as a 'player', meaning that Frisk is responsible for any actions they take. This leaves plenty of space for creativity, in my opinion.
Wow, what are the chances? I'd literally read the entire post just a few hours before you made this comment. XD
Anyway, I completely agree with what the author has written, and most of my Chara headcannons agree with theirs.
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Wow! I'd never thought that I would meet someone who as the same opinion as me on Chara! Yeah!!
However, I like to think that, until at least they go to the throne room, Frisk was in control during the Genocide Run (and yeah, I love to think that there isn't an entity called "Player" who control Frisk too!). I even think that Frisk is Chara's mind pupeteer.
However, I do think that Chara make a sort of promise: "Since the eight and last human fell in the UNDERGROUND, I'm going to follow them, but I won't do anything but description until the end." Or something like that. That's why you can only see Chara at thet end of the Genocide run (the end of your genocidal journey), and why I headcanon that Chara kill Frisk at the end of a neutral run (because, well, directly or not, Frisk is kinda responsible of the death of Asgore, their dad and the representation of hope in the UNDERGROUND).
The thing is that, I think, most people can't take the possibility that there is no "evil" in a story. They have to always find someone to blame for "sins" that occur in a story, and if someone is ambiguous in their words and actions, well, "here's the evil one!" Seriously, have you watch Dreemur Reborn's Chara fight on youtube? I saw a reaction and when Chara said "I love you Asriel, so please DIE!" (to make it short), I heard the guy saying that Chara was a "twisted little shit" or something like that. I take Asriel at the end of the True Pacifist run and when he said "SO PLEASE JUST LET ME WIN!!", everyone cry! Asriel literally said what Chara said in the fanmade fight: "die so that we can be together forever"!!
Well, I'm divaguing, sorry. Anyway, i didn't say that the first time, but great picture you draw 
Edit: OH! I FORGOT! I was wondering, what does "to laugh it out" mean? I understand it like "laughing to lighting up an aggravated atmosphere", but does that really mean that? I asking it because, since I'm french, I watch the french wikia of Undertale and they translate "Laugh it off" by "mort de rire", which can be literally translated by "laugh to death". Do you think it's a good translation?
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Oh, don't worry, talk all you want- I love having conversations like this. X3
Yeah, that seems very likely. Although I do think that Frisk still had at least some kind of control even then, as Chara only strikes after the press of a button- meaning that they still chose to let Chara kill her brother and father. And, mind puppeteer? That sounds interesting.
Ooh, headcanon time!
While the theory that she made a promise seems interesting, I like to believe that Chara narrates because she can't really do much else. I'm picturing her to be a confused, wandering spirit that's drawn to the power of Frisk's Soul (or Determination, which is what woke her up in the first place, according to her speech in Genocide.) and is forced to follow them because of that. She's so confused, that she thinks the way Frisk treats others is how they're supposed to be treated- at least until she begins remembering bits and pieces of her life and creates her own interpretation of things, while still heavily influenced by Frisk's actions.
So. even though I'm not entirely sure what happened after the battle with Flowey, I don't think Chara killed Frisk, even if she disagreed with them. Because, even in Genocide, she believes that what Frisk is doing is right, and doesn't question them once. (Okay, well, my representation of Chara does question Frisk, but she's mostly just mocking them like her typical supportive self- deep inside, she trusts them thoroughly.) Not to mention that she's just a spirit, unable to touch anything and stuff.
Or maybe that's just me trying to defend these two too much (mostly Chara haha, I hate Frisk when they go Genocide), and spending too much time developing their strengths and weaknesses. (I could go on with their personalities and all the different concepts I've come up with forever, but I've decided to spare you. XD)
I completely agree with you on that, and I may be one of those people, because I simply can't stand Flowey haha okay that's not the point but honestly I hate that guy. And, my gosh, YES. Dreemurr Reborn is literally what made me feel sympathy for Chara, and helped me understand most of her actions before she died. In fact, pretty much most of my headcanons for her, I have adopted from there. But I digress.
I have to admit, that line did creep me out at first as well, but just like you said, it's almost identical to Asriel's words during his battle. The reason most people react that way to Chara is because of how the fandom represents her, and I love Dreemurr Reborn for showing another side of her, even when she's corrupted by LOVE.
Whew. That was a long talk. Um... sorry? XD
Thank you! Weirdos don't usually receive fanart from me (unless they're dork-weirdos, of course 
Hmm, no I don't think that's right. There are words and phrases in some languages that don't have an accurate translation in others (now that I think about it, 'laugh it off' doesn't have an exact translation in Greek, either). The best explanation I could give for that phrase is, to literally laugh at your problems in order to make them seem insignificant... and stuff..?? I hope that makes sense. xD
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Geia sas, nojida! (Did Google Translator make the correct translation for hello...?)
Oh! Someone to talk and spread my theory with *-*!
I do think that Chara behavior heavily depends on Frisk action. During a Pacifist run, Chara is a light-hearted, pun-maker narrator who help Frisk by descripting everything they come across, by even making Joke. However, during a Genocide, well, they go straight to the point, like Frisk. That's why I do think Frisk is Chara's mind puppeteer...
How, interseting Headcanon!
I always picture Chara being aware of everything they did while alive. After all, they said at the end of a Genocide run that, when waking up, they were confuse, and that they're plan had failed. But they learn the purpose of their reincarnation thanks to Frisk's action, being a helpful light-hearted spirit, or the malevolent ghost that help bring death. It's up until the end of the RUINS that a side or another of their personnality appear. After all, the end of the RUINS means it's the end of the tuToriel 
However, that was what I think, until I come across that comic:
elihedgie95.deviantart.com/artβ¦
And now? I don't know what to think of Chara anymore... Except that it would be quite the plot twist if, during the Genocide Run, Chara was always on the side of the monsters and encouraging them (whispering things like "Your the last hope of Monsterkind, Undying Hero", "Give them the Bad Time they deserve, comedian" and things like that), and that when Frisk give enough power to Chara, the Eight Human literally doom themselves when entering the Throne Room.
Oh, and if you want to share your idea on Chara and Frisk, please do it, without MERCY.
I like to think that Flowey isn't evil. That they're is no evil in Undertale, or Frisk being the evil one if they do the Genocide Run. Because, well, if you've ever play video games with moral choices, like the Fable series, don't you had, one time, been the good guy who solves every problem, and then erase your save just so that you can see what happens when you're the bad guy, just so that you can laugh a little by being the evil of the story? If so, do you think you're evil? If not, do you think I'm evil, because I've done it, many, many times when playing Fable 1, 2 or 3?
Don't be sorry because you talk too much! I like to express ideas with anyone else, having posed a smart conversation. So, talk has much has you want ^^
Yeah, that's what I think about that translation. And I do think that yours does make sense, and is pretty accurate!
PS: I read TheAmazingTrash's comment about your picture, and I'm curious: did you make Frisk with different color for each eyes? I'm color blind, and I can only see that Frisk has the same eyes color, so... Damn color blindness >
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I always tell myself, 'I will reply to this now', and I never do so XD
Anyway, yeah, that translation is almost correct- the 'sas' just has to be replaced with a 'sou', so it sounds more informal.
Oh yeah, that's basically what I think happens, too.
By the way, random question: what did you first think of the Narrator before you found out it could actually be Chara? I'm just curious to see what other people think XD
Yeah, having her not remember anything is just a headcanon of mine in order to explain why Chara doesn't go into too much detail when seeing stuff she's supposed to have already come across. I also find it much more interesting- the first and only thing she remembers after waking up is being attacked by the humans, and so it's easier to show her that violence is the solution during Genocide. Man, I've spent so much time on this thing, haha. :'D
Ouch! Yeah, I can see why you don't know what to think of her now. But hey, since we're talking about Chara here, whose entire background is based on interpretation, it wouldn't hurt to have more than one headcanon for her actions. Personally, I've spent so much time on this character that I'm not influenced by other headcanons anymore, but I can still appreciate them. For example, I like the one the artist presents, as it would definitely make a huge twist (notice Chara's dialogue during Undyne's fight in Genocide- she seems pretty emotional if you look closely), but I can also enjoy the ones where Chara is a villain (as long as there's a good explanation, of course). Basically, you just gotta keep an open mind-- or do what I did and analyze everything she's said and done until you have a clear picture of her.
Honestly, being the one who plays the game and being an actual character in the game is like night and day to me.
I mean, a game isn't real- it's literally just a bunch of 0's and 1's. You can do anything you want. But think about it: in real life, would you up and stab someone just so you can see what happens? Even if you can Reset your actions? This is why I can't stand Flowey-- he murdered people in cold blood just so he could get a different reaction- just because he could. Of course, I'm not calling Flowey evil, because Flowey can't afford to be evil. He's literally soulless. And I'm not calling Genocide!Frisk evil, either- my version of them, at least. I have plenty of other unflattering adjectives I could throw at them, but not evil. That word seems pretty vague to me.
Reply to PS: Yup- their left eye is brown, and the other's red.
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Well, so geia sou, Nojida 
The thing is I'm a stupid man: I watch many video and other stuff related to Undertale before buying the game, so I knew about the Genocide, the Pacifist, the Post-genocide Pacifist, the Neutral ending etc. So I learn many things about that game before head. And so I stumble on a theory telling that Chara maybe the Narrator before I even play the game...
Yeah, I'm really an Idiot...
Hm, interesting indeed. Having an open mind is really great in this fandom, so if you're a member of "Chara Defend Squad", you have to keep in mind that 90% of Chara's drawing (in Undertale/Canon Universe) is an evil ghost who want to take control (heck, I even found someone saying that is "scare because of all the love some people give to Chara"). Me? Well, watching what I have found about Chara with all the playthrough videos I've watch, I think they can't be evil. There's too many hole in the development to be true. Like, the story seems to pass many years after the war between humans and monsters, the stories about monsters must have been forgotten. And if not, why would a child go where the monsters are trap, if they were tell since childhood that monsters would kill them in spot? And with their hate for humanity, my only conclusion is: they wanted to commit suicide, to kill themselves and died where humans won't find them. And if they wanted to kill themselves, then why didn't they try to kill monsters? Because, well, what the lost anyway? When Asriel take their soul, why didn't Chara, who was in control at the beginning, didn't try to kill monsters? Simple answer: they loved monsters. They weren't evil, just not the greatest person. But who is, anyway?
Ho, that's what you mean by hating Flowey! Strangely, I have the same thought, but for people who wanted to erase their Genocide past in Undertale: If Hitler go back in time, but became a saint and kill absolutely nobody, even helping the poors and the jews. If you're the only one who remember about his genocide, would you forgive him?
The thing about flowey is that he wanted to feel something, that's why he have done those genocide. If he had feelings, he wouldn't have done that... Well, at least I hopeΒ .
But hey, those are just theories. Game theories! Thanks for reading
Oh, and thank you for that precision about their eyes
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This was perfect especially the different eyes and the wings
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Thank you, those were pretty fun to draw.
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It had to be done.
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I agree with you completely. While Chara may not have been innocent, they were not the one to start this run. I have this line in the archives regarding these two and the Merciless run. "I may have pulled the trigger, but you put the gun in my hand and suggested that I shoot."
Anyway, great job! It looks ominous, and I love Frisk's expression. Also, I notice there's slight red on the other eye; nice touch.
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