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"No babies are killed in abortion!"ba·by/ˈbābē/
Noun:
A very young child, esp. one newly or recently born.
For those who have difficulty with their reading comprehension skills, let me use bold on the part that proves my point:
ONE NEWLY OR RECENTLY BORN.
There is a massive difference between different stages of life. For example: A Zygote is not an Embryo, and Embryo is not a Fetus, a Fetus is not a Baby, a Baby is not a Toddler, A Toddler is not a Pre-Teen, A Pre-Teen is not a Teenager, A Teenager is not an Adult, An Adult is not an Elderly person, and an Elderly person isn't a Corpse.
GET IT?
I always see stamps and photos of cute little newborn babies with anti-choice captions underneath them saying: "PLZ DUNT KILLZ ME MUMMEH!111"
Dude, nobody kills babies and gets away with it. Why don't they use photos of embryos instead? Or how about use it with babies that have horrible diseases like Harlequin Ichthyosis? Oh yeah, it doesn't have the same emotional appeal to it, does it? Because that's pretty much one of the only tactics they have: Emotional guilt tripping.
Some of you may be asking: "What does endearment mean?"
en·dear·ment/enˈdi(ə)rmənt/
A word or phrase expressing love or affection.
Love or affection: "a term of endearment".
'Baby' is a term is endearment, believe it or not. So before you go spewing: "But mummiez alwayz call der unborn babiezz der babiez!!!!1" I suggest you go do a little research on what endearment means.
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More like only one, they don't want a baby!
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But want is what it boils down to.
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Hmm...then perhaps you could tell us as to why the murder of a pregnant woman is a DOUBLE homicide?
As soon as that egg is fertilized by a sperm, it IS a person. None of this is religious dogma. It's scientific fact. You can ask any expert in life science, and they will tell you the same thing.
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".then perhaps you could tell us as to why the murder of a pregnant woman is a DOUBLE homicide?"
It only counts if the fetus itself as viable.
"As soon as that egg is fertilized by a sperm, it IS a person. None of this is religious dogma. It's scientific fact."
A scientific fact that you just so happen to twist to suit your views.
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Wooow, you just up and blocked me, menslady125 , real mature of you.
Not like I care, but here's my response to you:
"As far as I'm concerned, both you AND this person are nothing more than troublemaking SJWs who will look for ANY excuse to ignore the truth and try to get the world to revolve around you."
Neither one of us are SJWs. Go to tumblr if you want the real ones. We're not ignoring the truth; in fact, I don't think the "truth" is the issue here.
"the world will NEVER revolve around you and you will NEVER be able to change the truth."
You're the one that's acting like it. And you're also doing the exact same thing you told us.
".if it's facts being twisted that you really want, look to Satan, not me."
People twist facts, too, stupid. Not just Satan.
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You are so ridiculous, I am NOT even wasting my time with you. As far as I'm concerned, both you AND this person are nothing more than troublemaking SJWs who will look for ANY excuse to ignore the truth and try to get the world to revolve around you. Well, too bad. The world will NEVER revolve around you and you will NEVER be able to change the truth.
Oh, and by the way...if it's facts being twisted that you really want, look to Satan, not me.
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At the risk of setting you off, here's a counter-question.
At what point do you believe that a fetus becomes a living thing, since you're so dead-set against it?
This is extremely nihilistic.
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Um, when it's born?
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Wrong. A Fetus becomes a living thing, technically, from conception. If you end the gestation, the fetus dies, and therefor the baby dies.
I'm all for women's rights. But I do not agree with needless abortion, especially in the name of "muh body muh choice!".
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"Wrong. A Fetus becomes a living thing, technically, from conception. If you end the gestation, the fetus dies, and therefor the baby dies."
These stamps say otherwise:
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Stamp: A Fetus isn't a child by Riza-Izumi Stamp: Kids are human by Riza-Izumi Learn it. by OurHandOfSorrow And yes, careful research has been done.
I'm all for women's rights. But I do not agree with needless abortion, especially in the name of "muh body muh choice!"."
Bit of an oxymoron, wouldn't you say?
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If you use stamps to try to prove your point, you're already a fucking tool. Lmao
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Number 1: If you even bother to scroll down this thread, this person was actually fucking around.
Number 2: How am I exactly a tool for providing stamps that has descriptions that provide links to medical websites?
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"These stamps say otherwise" Wow, great joke.
"Bit of an oxymoron wouldn't you say?" No. Needless abortion isn't necessary.
"Careful research has been done" No, it hasn't been.
Let's go over it. You think a Fetus isn't a baby before birth. Alright, point made.
Going by that logic, however, You have no right to complain if I break into your house and steal the raw beef from your fridge that you payed for. It isn't food yet, after all.
Someone murdering you in your sleep wouldn't be wrong. After all, you're unconscious and therefor incapable of independent thought or independent motion.
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"Wow, great joke."
Did you even bother to read (as in READ, not SKIM) the descriptions in the stamps I linked you?
"No. Needless abortion isn't necessary."
Yeah, sure, being knocked up from a rape, financially unstable, unfit to be a parent, mentally ill, the fetus having a mutation that gives them a defect, deformity or disability and having birth control fail totally doesn't warrant having an abortion. Best joke I've heard all year not.
"Going by that logic, however, You have no right to complain if I break into your house and steal the raw beef from your fridge that you payed for. It isn't food yet, after all."
A) Raw beef IS food.
B) Stealing meat from my fridge is NOT the same thing as aborting a fetus. Your logic here is flimsy at best.
"Someone murdering you in your sleep wouldn't be wrong. After all, you're unconscious and therefor incapable of independent thought or independent motion."
Uh, wrong on several accounts. An unconscious person--whether they are in a coma or just sleeping--is capable of independent thought. The difference is that it's all on the subconscious, aka dreaming. They'll also capable of physically moving in their sleep, although it's not quite common. But in order for the person to dream (or move in their sleep), they have to be sentient, as in, having a developed brain. In the case of brain death, the brain dies, but the individual's heart is still beating because there is still oxygen in the heart. When brain death happens, the person doesn't feel any pain and suffering. Nor do they even dream or form thoughts.
In the fetus's case, they are not capable of feeling pain or dreaming or form thoughts until they are in the mid-to-late second trimester, which is usually around the time they are viable aka able to survive out the womb (albeit with some medical intervention). Any earlier, they are unable to survive outside the womb with a very severely underdeveloped brain, so in the legal and medical sense, it is not murder.
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Oh, that reminds me. A fetus IS capable of feeling pain in the womb. They regularly cower away from the abortion tools.
Nice try :/
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A) Raw beef IS food.
B) Stealing meat from my fridge is NOT the same thing as aborting a fetus. Your logic here is flimsy at best. (dur hur hurrr)
Hahaha. Am I getting to you by using your own stupid logic on you?
A Fetus IS a baby. It simply hasn't been born yet.
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"Hahaha. Am I getting to you by using your own stupid logic on you?"
The opposite, actually.
"A Fetus IS a baby. It simply hasn't been born yet."
An unborn baby is medically considered a fetus regardless of how far along the pregnancy is. Once it's born, it's classified as a baby.
"Oh, that reminds me. A fetus IS capable of feeling pain in the womb. They regularly cower away from the abortion tools."
Yes, but the fetus is ONLY capable of feeling pain when it's of 24 weeks of gestation up to birth. Also, a fetus isn't actually capable of feeling complex emotions until it's born, but even then, it can only feel two emotions: anger and love. The "cowering away from the abortion tools" is actually just them reflexing because their neurons haven't even connected to their developing brain yet.
And besides, most abortions are performed during the first trimester. Abortions during the second trimester are a lot less common.
"Nice try. :/"
I don't think you're in a position to say that when you're the one that's very clearly in the losing argument.
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I mean, how am I losing? all I'm doing is challenging your "right to choose".
By the way, just because their brain hasn't fully formed doesn't mean they can't feel. I'd argue that mentally handicapped people , by that standard , are more emotionally developed since they're mostly terrified of the outside world. Especially people with Autism, considering I worked with them briefly. (Shady, I know. But you see a lot even in a short period of time.)
All of science agrees with me when I say that Abortion past a certain stage deals with killing a child. Regardless of it being necessary or not, it's still a traumatic event for both mother and child.
Well, I guess not for child for very long. Considering that they kill it and all.
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"how am I losing? all I'm doing is challenging your "right to choose"."
A) You're only losing the argument because your argument is nothing but emotionally-charged (and admittedly lame) counterarguments that have absolutely no backing. Even if they do, they're not actually supported by current medical science or legalities and are usually grossly outdated. (Also, they're very heavily reliant on junk science than what is normal.)
B) Well, you shouldn't be, because besides "my body my choice," it's not really your business on what I do with my body like it's not mine on what you do with yours. I respect your privacy, you should respect mine. Furthermore, you need to respect that bodily autonomy is a basic human right, just like privacy.
"By the way, just because their brain hasn't fully formed doesn't mean they can't feel."
Oh, really, where did you get that? Some biased anti-science pro-life site? Wish I could say that I'm surprised. Here's actual factual medical evidence indicating the difference between a neural tube at five weeks (approx. 30 days) of gestation: www.babycentre.co.uk/5-weeks-p… and the fetus's brain, neurons and all at 20-24 weeks (approx. 140-170 days): www.babycentre.co.uk/20-weeks-… www.babycentre.co.uk/24-weeks-… media.sciencephoto.com/image/c… sites.duke.edu/apep/files/2016…
And here is a website featuring nervous system development of the fetus: embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/emb… This site contains links to different neural nodes, what they do, and at what point they start developing as the fetus grows. You an also find that physical pain sensors, as I have stated before, do not actually occur until midway to late in the second trimester.
And here are images of how the fetal brain actually develops compared to a child and adult (I know I've already shown you these, but what I am actually showing you is how parts of the brain develop in utero, including sections that control emotions and feelings):
(Fetal brain; 5 weeks, 13 weeks, 20 weeks, 24 weeks and 26 weeks, birth) www.babycenter.com/ims/2017/05… i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/fe/0…
(Adult brain) www.gametablesonline.com/image… cdn.imgbin.com/23/0/5/imgbin-l… previews.123rf.com/images/evel…
Additionally, the temporal lobe (and the other parts of the human brain, especially) has not yet developed, even if it is only physically formed between 20 and 26 weeks (between five and six months, which is in the second trimester [well, the basic shape of it, anyway]) of gestation, the fetus's ability to feel emotions does not yet occur until birth, as I have said before. But even then, at birth, the only emotions it could feel at this stage is is only anger and love. As the baby grows older after birth, it develops more complex emotions until the brain completes its formation at 20 years of age.
"I'd argue that mentally handicapped people , by that standard , are more emotionally developed since they're mostly terrified of the outside world."
Yes, true, especially those with cerebral palsy or other brain or neurological abnormalities. But the difference between them and an unborn fetus is that even if those people you mentioned are handicapped, unlike a fetus, they have sentience. And no, being sentient is NOT equivalent to a beating heart. Check my statement of brain death. Better yet, look up brain death for yourself. Even better yet, look up sentience in dictionary.com. But here's a spoiler for you: sentience only comes from the DEVELOPED BRAIN, not the beating heart.
"All of science agrees with me when I say that Abortion past a certain stage deals with killing a child. Regardless of it being necessary or not, it's still a traumatic event for both mother and child."
Pffffft, oh, really, so you say. Three or so comments ago, you said abortion is killing the child, regardless of what stage of pregnancy it is in the womb, at least in context.
And how, exactly is getting an abortion "traumatizing" to the mother (disregarding the child for a little bit)? The only time it is is when the woman is coerced into getting it with excessive force. 80% of women who do get their abortions ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL do not actually regret it. If on the off-chance a woman does regret it, then it's her problem to deal with, and chances are, she wasn't really emotionally mature enough to handle the aftermath of the abortion, much less having a sex life.
"Well, I guess not for child for very long. Considering that they kill it and all."
If the mother kills the child after it's born, then it's murder. It's not the same thing as aborting a fetus because the child is legally an existing person upon birth.
Now, I would recommend going to these links and images I gave you and get to studying them. I actually cannot change your stance on abortion, but you at least need to know the ACTUAL science of fetal development, the human brain, and the fetal development of the brain and nervous system, before you spew more emotionally-charged arguments with absolutely nothing but biased pro-life sites to back you up. (And let's be honest: they're NEVER ACTUALLY reliable in the first place.)
If you STILL reject the actual science and only favor the pseudoscience over what I have gave you, even if you actually did take the time to study them, then I really don't know what to say, other than you're an ass who rejects logic in every sense of the word.
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Well, If you're not going to listen, then I'm not going to speak to you anymore.
Bye, honey. I really don't know how else to argue with your stupidity.
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"Well, If you're not going to listen"
Well, you weren't listening, either, sadly. :/
"Bye, honey. I really don't know how else to argue with your stupidity."
I think you mean YOUR stupidity because you've more or less shown your true colors that you're anti-science.
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ANTI-SCIENCE XD
Man, it's always so fun to bait you people into an argument.
You always fall for it. Every time.
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Wait, did you just up and do this just because you were bored?
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Yeah. Life doesn't really hold meaning for me anymore. What am I losing by doing this shit?
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Your friends? Possibly your dignity. You'll only lose more if you keep this up.
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Ha. As if I had anything left to lose.
Great talk. Thanks for that.
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Being a fetus is a stage of life. It's fetus-baby-toddler-child-teenager-adult-elder.
It's not a baby yet but it's just like saying ''killing babies is not the same as killing children, therefore it's ok.''
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And where's your logic in this?
You know what, forget it, I think your logic is next-to-nonexistent.
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Are you fucking dumb? If you prevent a stage of human life, the person dies. It's quite simple. The "fetus" can't move to the next stage. And if I can't move to my next stage (my next year in life) I die. The fetus WILL become a baby if it isn't prevented.
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Like I said, where is your logic in this?
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Where is yours?
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Okay, since you're so desperate to hear my counterargument...
Fetus =/= baby
It's only a baby after it gains the ability to survive outside the womb, preferably at birth (aka the "due date"). Any earlier, and the fetus would be too immature (as in, not developed enough yet) to survive outside the womb, so in the technical and legal sense, it was not "killed" by the doctor performing the abortion.
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... wow, you really are a dud. What would the fetus be if it wasn't killed? Please, explain. Oh right, it'd be a baby. You realise the young of every creature on Earth needs it's parents to survive or you should. You don't learn to talk English on your own, you have set examples. So, a tiger cub, without parents, couldn't survive. It needs to learn hunting, from it's parents. It needs protection, from it's parents. Just as we do. So your argument is worth nothing. There's even more flaws to it, which I assume you can see by now. I have no need to go over them, as this is already sufficient enough means. And yes, a baby wouldn't be able to survive out of it's mothers womb. Why do you think that makes it any better? It just shows more ignorance to the subject. No other mammals fetuses can survive outside a womb. It's insane, they are not developed enough. I don't even see how that's an argument, it seems like cruelty. Taking the baby out of the place it needs to be, so it's strong enough, is just wrong.
Fetus will equal baby. Listen carefully, WILL, be a baby. And here's a great quote from Ronald Reagan-
"No person I've ever met has been aborted"
Do the math, it's simple.
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"... wow, you really are a dud."
Yeah, like you're so much better than me after I'm stating the facts.
" You realise the young of every creature on Earth needs it's parents to survive or you should. You don't learn to talk English on your own, you have set examples. So, a tiger cub, without parents, couldn't survive. It needs to learn hunting, from it's parents. It needs protection, from it's parents. Just as we do."
What makes you think I've forgotten that? In the case of human beings as far as overpopulation is concerned, becoming a parent is just a want, not a need.
"So your argument is worth nothing."
Well neither is yours. Besides you're the one who called me "dumb" for simply questioning that other person's (obviously) logical fallacy that a fetus is a human, and you replied with the same logical fallacy. Otherwise, my argument is worth looking a few logical points over.
"And yes, a baby wouldn't be able to survive out of it's mothers womb. Why do you think that makes it any better? It just shows more ignorance to the subject."
Well, which do you think is worse, this or being forced to carry a child to term and become their parent regardless of the circumstances? I think you're the one who's being ignorant here.
"I don't even see how that's an argument, it seems like cruelty."
Getting an abortion is not cruel, nor will is ever be. What's even crueler is forcing a woman to give birth to a baby she never even wanted to become pregnant with in the first place (and yes, I am well aware that she can put them up for adoption, but's not really a solution to an unwanted pregnancy, and the odds of the child becoming adopted are sadly low).
"Taking the baby out of the place it needs to be, so it's strong enough, is just wrong."
And how exactly is it when the mother or fetus suddenly suffers a life-threatening condition midway into the pregnancy in which she needs to have her baby delivered via emergency c-section? Would you rather let both of them die from complications than save both of their lives, if possible, despite your so-called "good intentions?"
"Fetus will equal baby. Listen carefully, WILL, be a baby."
"Will" is not synonymous with "is." "Will" is future tense, "is" is present tense. Just because it will be a baby doesn't mean it is a baby. Get your medical facts straight.
"And here's a great quote from Ronald Reagan- 'No person I've ever met has been aborted'"
Can you give me evidence of that quote, please? You do realize that I cannot accept made-up quotes by people saying some famous person said it.
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"Well, neither is yours. Besides you're the one who called me 'dumb' for simply questioning that the other person's (obviously) logical fallacy that is a refuses is a human, and you replied with the same logical fallacy. Otherwise, my argument is worth looking over a few logical points over"
So, you are going to say it's a "logical fallacy" when it's my opinion, because you think otherwise about yours? Well, that's not really helping your argument, as it shows how immature you are. I still haven't seen any logical points, besides you saying we should kill the potential of a person (literally) being. So, I can't see through to your "logical points".
"Well, which do you think is worse, this being or being forced to carry a child to term and become their child regardless of the circumstances? I think you're the one who's being ignorant here."
Well, which do you think is worse, this or being forced to kill a child (or a fetus if it makes you feel better about yourself) and become a murderer regardless of knowing that you are? I think your the one who's being ignorant here.
"Getting an abortion is not cruel, nor will it ever be. What's even crueler is forcing a woman to give birth to a baby she never even wanted to become pregnant with in the first place (and yes, I am well aware that she can put them up for adoption, but's not really a solution to an unwanted pregnancy, and the odds of the child becoming adopted are sadly low)."
So, I can see you are saying "unwanted pregnancy" multiple times. Rape doesn't happen as often as you think it does. The news will put something up that doesn't happen too often, because it's spicy. That doesn't mean I don't think that rape doesn't happen, it means it happens less often than most people will think. And, honestly, most people are the ones who have sex purposely, and refuse the consequences of their choice. And saying that the child won't have a good chance at being adopted, you are dead wrong. A majority of people I know, are adopted. I can list about 15 of them of the top of my head. You don't seem to have any knowledge of this situation. Adding to that, I assume you don't know that anyone, as a parent, has a big influence on where the child gets put up for adoption.
"And how exactly is it when the mother of the fetus suddenly suffers a life-threatening condition midway into pregnancy in which she needs to have her baby delivered via emergency c-section? Would you rather let both of them die from the complications than save both of their lives, if possible, despite your so-called "good intentions?"
Well, first of all, I'm a C-section. C-section doesn't put any life in danger, it's simply when the mother can't get the child out through her uterus, and their stomach is opened so the child can be pulled out. I never once said C-section was bad, so I don't understand your argument here. It's just medical terms thrown around, that you don't understand. C-section is probably better for the baby anyways, because they won't suffer from brusing and swelling. C-section only occurs during the time when the mother starts to go in labor. Lol, you don't understand this at all.
"'will' is not synonymous, with 'is'. 'Will' is a future tense, 'is' is a present tense. Just because it will be a baby doesn't mean it is a baby. Get your medical facts straight."
Well, seeing as you don't know what c-section is, I think you need to get your medical facts straight. And the fact that you are aware that the fetus will be a baby, makes you look even worse. If you prevent the fetus from developing, it can't live, killing it. It's really not that difficult. Murder is when you prevent another human from living, and it works the same, regardless of age or size. Being a fetus is a stage of life. As a fetus, you are a person. A fetus will be baby, and you should see that preventing them from being a grown human, is murder. It's not that difficult.
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"I still haven't seen any logical points, besides you saying we should kill the potential of a person (literally) being."
Because you're very obviously too blind to even see them and you are just too deep-rooted in your own made-up facts with very little credible evidence to back it up.
"And honestly, most people are the ones having sex purposely, and refuse the consequence of their choice."
There's two words for that, and it's forced pregnancy. I honestly fail to see why people like you would enforce that as a punishment, especially one that violates bodily autonomy.
Most people have sex on their own volition, with consent. If they have sex on purpose, it's always to have children.
"And saying that the child won't have a good chance of being adopted, you are dead wrong. A majority of people I know are adopted. I can list 15 of them from the top of my head."
I was going by statistics. Personal experience doesn't automatically make you right. Millions upon millions of children wind up in orphanages or the foster care system and only an average of 10,000 per year get adopted. Your friends just happen to fall into that average no matter how you spin it.
"C-section doesn't put any life in danger..."
I never said it is. By complications, I meant pregnancy complications.
"Murder is when you prevent another human being from living, and it works the same, regardless of the age or size. Being a fetus is a stage of life. As a fetus, you are a person. "
Uh, wrong on both counts. Murder is the unlawful killing of a person. A fetus us not a person. It has to be born in order to be one. As in with sentience after 20 weeks of gestation.
"As fetus, I am a person?" That is the most bill suit statement if I ever heard one. With that logic, we would all be fetuses even now. But we're actually sentient beings who can breathe, think for ourselves, make decisions, eat on our own, and all kinds of things that not even a fetus would do. So all you're doing is further proving that you are willfully ignorant of the actual facts and statistics.
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A baby isn't killed because a fetus is not a baby. A baby is a baby when it's born. Educate yourself. You're making yourself look dumb by being uneducated.
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That's what s/he said., read the description.
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