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Description This is boring. Yes, I know that it is in profile, and that it's jaws are gaping wide. The facial disks are a rip- ... hommage, because they look so cool on these dinosaurs. Okay, it has been said.

I'm a bit flabbergasted how few good paleoartists/palaeontographers had their try at Troodon. On second thought, the obvious reason occurs that material has been very fragmentary, with the Stenonychosaurus holotype the most complete of the illustrated stuff. I will carefully avoid to even mention the questions about the validity of this "ultimate taxonomic survivor", as Justin Tweet of thescelosaurus.com fame put it. Now that there are good references, I had to do it one day.

It's because I think Troodon/Stenonychosaurus sp./formosus?/inequalis was my first favorite dinosaur ever. When other 5-year-olds drooled over their T-Rexes and trikes, this little (or not so little?) theropod was amazing because of what was written in all those textbooks - it must have been the most intelligent dinosaur ever. Add to that snippets of the hilarious Russell/Sequin-ian "dinosauroid", and that David Norman (?) textbook in which "TroΓΆdon" is depicted as a predatory hypsil-type ornithischian, maybe an early misinterpretation of the "Egg Mountain" site. Of course, with so few non-avian maniraptorans looked at regarding encephalization quotients, and with the juvenile Bambiraptor having a higher one anyway (yes, maybe no longer when fully grown), its intellectual superiority is no longer uncontested, although I don't doubt that Troodon and its closest kin were among the smartest non-avian dinosaurs. Okay, shock horror, there's no reason either to assume it's scaly any more, and the "little dinosaur" stuff and the frequently cited length of 2 m is neither right - reaching and maybe exceeding a length of 3 m (not counting any possible tail feathers) is certainly not what one would call a "small" animal if it were alive today, and as a consequence of its general design - it doesn't have the proportion of a small-legged dromaeosaur, but an ostrich-mimic with a big head and sharp claws - it stood considerably taller than dromaeosaurids of like size. It certainly could whip a Saurornitholestes's ass - it may have not been as deadly pound for pound, but had a lot more pounds.

My drawing is based on GSP's skeletal from his 2010 field guide, and the one recently posted by Scott Hartman ([link] ). I was surprised how different they were from Greg Paul's Saurornithoides skeletal in PDW - the only tentative reference for drawing a derived troodontid. The shape of the skull is quite different, and the pelvis is very strange; I would have expected the body cavity to be much deeper.

Although in a full run, I opted for a rather knee-driven mode of locomotion instead of the classic non-maniraptoran tail-propelled one, and thus smoothed the femora more or less into the torso (well, they're hidden by the wing anyway). Tail feathers are inspired by basal troodontids, and although the arms are shockingly small, I gave my troodont pretty hefty wings. As I recall that the nasals of Zanabazar were reported to be rugose, I hesitated to put feathers on them in Troodon.

Other things to bother might be the feathered "cheek", the slender-ish neck and absence of hind wings; I don't think that a big, puffy Anchiornis/microraptorine-style pelage would be developmentally feasible in a 50-70 kg predator, and neither would be rear wings in an animal too large to be able to make regular use of them; I actually had them extend only to above the ankle, and enlarged them now. To be honest, so "much" conjecture feels almost disturbing in the age of Technicolor dinosaurs

As a final note, I'd like to mention how tiresome troodontid rectrices are. I mean, those on this one are already much less extensive than those seen in Anchiornis and Jinfengopteryx.
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Comments: 33

Ceratopsia [2015-12-20 02:44:21 +0000 UTC]

I've tried drawing Troodon, but failed. But it is one of my favorite Dinosaurs.

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pilsator In reply to Ceratopsia [2015-12-20 13:23:44 +0000 UTC]

Agreed, I've always considered Troodon to be a very cool theropod.

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Ceratopsia In reply to pilsator [2015-12-20 21:50:22 +0000 UTC]

IndeedΒ 

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Ceratopsia In reply to pilsator [2015-12-20 21:42:03 +0000 UTC]

Indeed

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Ceratopsia In reply to pilsator [2015-12-20 21:37:27 +0000 UTC]

IndeedΒ Β 

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Terizinosaurus [2015-05-16 07:09:46 +0000 UTC]

Wow it is great!!!

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pilsator In reply to Terizinosaurus [2015-05-29 02:29:57 +0000 UTC]

Thanks - glad you like it! While you're at it, maybe check out my more recent Troodon drawing, which looks somewhat less sketchy.

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vasix [2015-02-16 13:50:41 +0000 UTC]

Exactly how tall would it be at the head if one were to take the 3 meters plus size into accord? And for which species does that estimate work? Formosus or inequalis?

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pilsator In reply to vasix [2015-03-01 19:45:25 +0000 UTC]

I'd actually say closer to 3 m in total length now, going with the bigger fragmentary limb bones. Dunno, that guy above in that exact posture? I'd guess ~1.2 m at the head.

formosus and inequalis have never been shown to be distinct, although they could easily be, or there might be more species in the Troodon complex. Even trying to work that out would require to a) leave Troodon formosus restricted to its holotype tooth and refer all the better material to Stenonychosaurus inequalis, or b) coin a neotype for Troodon formosus, and likely be done with inequalis.

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vasix In reply to pilsator [2015-03-02 01:19:26 +0000 UTC]

Troodon is quite hard to work with at times, isn't it?

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PeteriDish [2012-05-02 22:08:38 +0000 UTC]

instant love! =

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pilsator In reply to PeteriDish [2012-05-03 16:02:57 +0000 UTC]

Wow, thank you!

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PeteriDish In reply to pilsator [2012-05-03 16:10:12 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome!

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Troodon-Man [2011-10-19 23:06:19 +0000 UTC]

Awesome work! In my opinion, people like you represent the new generation of paleoartists; The people who actually put feathers, on Raptors! In my opinion, your art is just as good, if not even better, than that of Gregory S. Paul, and Luis V. Rey. One again, nice job! !

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pilsator In reply to Troodon-Man [2011-10-20 10:22:08 +0000 UTC]

Hey there! I'm more than honored, sir At the risk of sounding asshole-ish, I do think that Luis Rey's anatomy is somewhat worse, but nonetheless my art is way inferior. In GSP's work, it's less the anatomy and more the atmosphere that makes the most beautiful the most beautiful to me. However, thanks a lot for that compliment!

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JD-man [2011-08-22 22:19:40 +0000 UTC]

"and with the juvenile Bambiraptor having a higher one anyway (yes, maybe no longer when fully grown),"

Sub-adult Bambiraptor (See the following quote). Otherwise, cool pic.

Quoting Gardom & Milner ( [link] ): "A further clue to the brain power of dromaeosaurs comes from Bambiraptor, a diminutive sub-adult dromaeosaur from the Upper Cretaceous of Montana, USA that was less than a metre long and may have weighed about 2 kg. Bambiraptor had one of the largest-known dinosaur brains relative to its body size. The areas of the brain that deal with agility, co- ordination, intelligence and sight were enlarged and very bird-like. This suggests several life styles might have been possible - pack-hunting where co- operation and communication between individuals would have been vital as we saw in Chapter 6, or tree-climbing, as appears to have been the case in some other small dromaeosaurs described in Chapter 10."

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pilsator In reply to JD-man [2011-08-23 08:29:47 +0000 UTC]

Uhm... I don't get exactly what you say. Is it about the growth stage of the Bambi holotype? AFAIK, the larger, unillustrated accompanying specimen is still not at full adult size. I think a comprehensive study about brain size in maniraptorans would be very interesting; the outrageously high EQ of the Bambi type might be an artifact of the proportionately very big skull (which is probably an artifact of its juvenile- or subadult-ness). Arboreality in deinonychosaurs is another can of worms...

Oh, and thank you - glad you like it!

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JD-man In reply to pilsator [2011-08-23 21:08:36 +0000 UTC]

"Is it about the growth stage of the Bambi holotype?"

Yes: You originally said "juvenile Bambiraptor" instead of "sub-adult Bambiraptor".

"Oh, and thank you - glad you like it!"

You're welcome.

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ZEGH8578 [2011-07-19 22:03:34 +0000 UTC]

the name-issue will never be resolved, simply cus of the unfortunate guideline in which fossils are named.
once very fragmentary fossils have recieved a name, its kindov "final", as long as theyre too fragmentary for further comparison. to me personally, i find it frustrating, cus it leaves so many names "forever unresolved"

very cool artwork btw. i wouldnt recognize this as troodon by first glance, but once identified, all the proportions are correct

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pilsator In reply to ZEGH8578 [2011-07-19 22:07:36 +0000 UTC]

Thanks

I think chances for a T. formosus neotype are not that bad (or the resurrection of Stenonychosaurus); it has happened to Allosaurus, and there are proposals for Cetiosaurus and Stegosaurus. Given what happened to Trachodon, Agathaumas and shit it's actually a miracle that Troodon survived (then again, there wasn't a shedload of new troodontid taxa described in the Lambe/Sternberg years). OTOH, it's pretty boring stuff to me unless a result shows up.

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ZEGH8578 In reply to pilsator [2011-07-19 22:09:29 +0000 UTC]

oh yes, i guess they can make a concious decision to clear the mess up individually. like you said, it has happened before. but "by itself", simply following ordinary rules, fragmental material remain an unresolved pain in the ass sometimes.

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pilsator In reply to ZEGH8578 [2011-07-19 22:16:06 +0000 UTC]

Well, after the clearing of the mess, the T. formosus ex-holotype (there's probably a cool term for that) will be the tooth of a (probably derived) troodontid that might or might not have been described already. Although there are certainly people who go into raptures about tooth taxa, and although it's evident that a complete skeleton somehow known to have housed that tooth would be fucking epic, I for one could really care less about an unnamed tooth.

Rather, the entire ... let's call it thing above is what I'm really interested

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MageLite [2011-07-02 11:51:27 +0000 UTC]

Ah, the troodontids. sadly doomed to forever be in the shadows of their raptor cousins.

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pilsator In reply to MageLite [2011-07-04 22:53:57 +0000 UTC]

So true

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thomcomstock [2011-02-16 04:32:07 +0000 UTC]

I really like this profile. I love your artist's comments.

Been a long time since I've seen anything by you.

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pilsator In reply to thomcomstock [2011-02-16 13:34:18 +0000 UTC]

Glad you like it, and yes, I've not been exactly prolific in the last weeks :/

Guess this little essay (if that's what you're talking about) is more or less a necessity to expose the rationale behind such a drawing, given how much about such a reconstruction is still conjecture, and how much could be done differently and still equally parsimoniously.

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Hyrotrioskjan [2011-02-15 13:04:14 +0000 UTC]

Einw wunderschΓΆne Zeichnung.
Du kriegst die Füße immer so gut hin

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pilsator In reply to Hyrotrioskjan [2011-02-15 21:27:53 +0000 UTC]

Danke, die sind auch das einfachste wie mich die Schwanzfedern jedes mal ankotzen...

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Albertonykus [2011-02-14 08:41:09 +0000 UTC]

The head is certainly much bigger than I would've expected.

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pilsator In reply to Albertonykus [2011-02-14 13:00:07 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for your faves.

@Tomozaurus - I'd really like to see a Troodon drawn by you. While I wouldn't have problems to extend the feathers down to the ankle, I'm very skeptical of any hind wings in deinonychosaurs of this size. Same goes for thick vs. thin necks. Modern birds of comparable mass don't seem to fall in the "puppeteer that hind behide a screen of feathers" category either, but then again, they're mostly ratites with a more simple, protofeather-ish integument :/

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Albertonykus In reply to pilsator [2011-02-15 01:49:10 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome.

I think the neck feathers you've got here are fine; big birds tend to have visible necks, though not always an obvious S curve. \\

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Tomozaurus In reply to pilsator [2011-02-15 00:15:56 +0000 UTC]

Well thanks; there will certainly be one in the future. Note that I would not include hind wings to the extent of Anchiornis, but have them severely reduced. I would still have the remnants of them.

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Tomozaurus [2011-02-14 00:10:31 +0000 UTC]

You're right; it's odd that more paleoartists don't make a stab at such a famous dinosaur. It's certainly on my to-do-list of artworks. I was very surprised on the size of the head and hands (so big and so small respectively). So much so that I actually had to go and whip open my copy of GSP's field guide just to make sure.
You're also right that the neck seems a little thin, I also would probably have added remnants of hind wings and probably feathered the legs more extensively, that's just me though.

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