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Yeah, I made Dylan a Winx Club witch. She looks pretty good, doesn't she? I figure since she's a villian in the DP world she'd make a great Winx villian too. I'm not sure what her power would be though...pyroblasts?
Dylan (c) me
Winx Club (c) rainbow
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For her Power.
Shadowfire.
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And make her attacks more dense and beam like.
Clouds of dust look kinda lame.......
And maybe she needs a boyfriend?
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Yeah, that works.
Oh she had one. But he's dead.
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Yeah, she cares. She's still hung up about it.
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Good, cuz Winx Club is a bit sexist towards men/boys.......
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I wouldn't call it sexist. They just don't give them enough attention.
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Boys/Men are neither the bad guy, or they are the victims/comic relief/weakling side characters.
If it was the other way around it would be sexist than?
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Well yeah if you put it like that that does sound sexist but I don't see how the show actually does that. Yes they do have some male villains but not all of them are male. The Trix, for instance, are a huge threat to the Winx that reappear as villains in multiple seasons. There is also Diaspro to some degree, Chimera, Cassandra, and the Ancestral Witches to name a few more. Although you said would it be sexist the other way around? I wouldn't mind having more female villains. Being the villain isn't always a bad thing. It's a bad thing if the character is not well written and is only the bad guy for the sake of being the threat to the hero. Most villains are fairly well written in the show. There are some examples that go against this *coughTritanuscough* but the fact that he's not a very good villain isn't the fact that he's a male it's because his character is not well written. He could be a female and still not be good character. Most of the male villains have very good characterization and that's what I look for in any character. It doesn't matter if they're the hero or the villain, I like well developed characters and the Winx villains, both female and male, do a pretty good job of that.
I've been watching the show for years and I can't think of a time where the Specialists haven't been badass in some way. They help the Winx out whenever they can and, yeah, sometimes the comic relief comes from them (Mostly Timmy, bless his little heart). But even the "weakling" character of tech nerd Timmy is still pretty awesome. He's not as much of a fighter as the rest of the boys but he's always there to help out and he's saved the day on a few occasions by using his brain power. Sorry, I could go on about how awesome Timmy is forever. Anyway, I love the Specialists and they can kick some serious ass! When when they're not actually fighting they're still pretty cool. Male characters don't have to be the ones on the frontline to be badass and interesting. And there are many other male characters in the show that are just as badass, even the villains. I wouldn't call a majority of them weak at all. There are weak characters in the show but they are both genders.
But I think that the boys come across as "weakling side characters" because they're not given enough attention and are secondary characters to the Winx. But this makes sense. You have to remember that this is a show for little girls. They want to see the GIRLS be badass, which the Winx do just fine, so they'll want to be like them. This doesn't mean that the boys are made helpless, they are just not the main characters of the show because little girls don't want to see them compared to their sparkley magical counterparts (there are enough tv shows centered around badass males already anyway). Also with this in mind, the Winx do save the Specialists every now and again but that's only showing little girls that they too can be powerful. They can be the heroes and save the day instead of the boys, and how is that message bad? Though the Winx are the heroes of the show and do save the boys a lot there are multiple times where the boys have to come in and help them, even saving their lives. And the Winx appreciate them for that. The Specialists aren't just their romantic interests they're their friends and battle partners too. The Winx don't give the boys crap for saving them, they thank them. And it's the same with the Specialists when the Winx save them. There are also so many superhero cartoons and the like for boys (well that's what the market says, girls can watch them too and vice versa) that have the male hero say the female love interest or side character. I personally see it refreshing when there are shows that have badass female characters saving the day like Winx Club. And yeah, it's made for little girls so they have to make it sparkly and cutsie but the characters are still powerful and are seen as such. And hey, I watch those "boy" cartoons too. I like them as well.
I do wish that they gave the boys more attention because I like a majority of them. But, again, you have to show the main characters more. And while I do like the Winx I like the boys too.
So I get what you're saying, but I myself can't see how that actually applies to the show. I've seen every season and while my memory of later seasons is a little fuzzy I do remember the main points and characters. I don't know how much of Winx Club you have seen so maybe you don't have much to work from (or maybe you do, I don't know), but this is just my personal view on the topic after watching every season and being such a big fan.
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Yes, but i do not think its a good idea to get the idea that Boys are weak into their heads.......
And the Specialists are just downright weak, i mean all they have is those weapons, and they always end up getting saved by the girls.
And they are all so disgustingly submissive.....
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The show is not showing them that boys are weak, it's showing them that girl's are not weak like they are shown in multiple other forms of media. There are so many shows and the like that have strong male leads but not a lot have strong females. So even if they boys in Winx are weak (which I'm not saying they are), if anything it would be a nice change from the norm. But that is just my opinion.
I don't see how the Specialists are weak. Yes, they have weapons but how is that a demeaning factor against them? They're not magical beings like the Winx so weapons are all they have. And that's not a handicap at all. They're GOOD at using weapons and fighting with them. It would be demeaning if stronger females forced them to only use swords and the like as weapons as if they are incapable of fighting with anything else but that's not the case. The boys choose the methods of how they fight and strive to improve it. And there are male characters in the show that do have magic. Professor Saladin and Nabu for instance are wizards as well as a lot of the villains. Even the male teachers at Alfea have magic. But even the males that don't have magic and that use weapons to fight aren't weak either. All of the Specialists at Red Fountain are warriors. They go there to train to be heroes, which in itself is pretty manly sounding if you ask me. They fight freakin' dragons and ogres on a daily basis. How is that not awesome? And they are very well trained in their weapons use. They can hold their own in a fight against a magical creature and even the main villains of a specific season. And have you seen Codatorta (Red Fountain teacher)? He isn't magic and he can kick all kinds of ass. And like I said, the Winx don't always save the boys. They do, but not all the time. The boys have had to save the girls multiple times too. In one of the 3D movies the Winx can't use their magic so the boys have to train them to fight without it like they do everyday. The Winx (excluding Layla/Aisha 'cause she's a BAMF) find the training the boys have planned for them very difficult. This shows that the way the boys have to train to keep themselves fit and up to par is not easy, which only proves that they are not weak and can handle a lot of physical activity.
I think you're confusing submissive with not being the focus. Yes, the boys are kind of pushed aside to give more screen time to the Winx but they don't blindly follow what they tell them to do all the time. They do obey them sometimes as the Winx obey them but that's because they all have relationships with them that require trust and they want to make each other happy. There are many instances where both the Specialists and Winx go against what the other gender has instructed them to do because they believe that their method of handling a situation is best. I can think of many instances where the boys do not agree with the Winx and tell them so. Riven and Musa especially have this kind of relationship. Both of them will say things that the other doesn't like and with both being hot tempered and strong won't submit to the other's view so easily. They inevitably rekindle after their arguments though because they both know that being right isn't as important as how they feel about the other. Even the sweet character of Brandon has stood up to Stella when he thinks that she's not right. Sky as well has had to set Bloom straight a few times. So no, I don't think they're submissive at all, just lacking screen time and some development. But, again, they are secondary characters, not the show's focus.
And I must ask, why do you think that a cartoon made for and centered around girls needs for the boys to be stronger than the female main characters? Little girls need strong role models too. I know some of them like male superheroes like Batman and Spiderman but some of them like "girly" things better like fairies. How is it bad that these girls get to see female characters that are strong while also being stereotypically feminine? We see the trope that "men have to be manly" all the time and not all male characters are manly men. If they were all this way it would be boring. This may not be what you're saying but what it sounds like you're implying is that because the
boys are not as strong as the girls that makes them weak. I don't think
that's it at all. I don't think that little girls should think that only men are strong or that only women are strong but that people are strong. And I think Winx does that. Yes, it is more centered on the girls because they are the focus but the male characters are shown in a positive light as well.
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I am not talking about screen time.
They always seem to agree with the girls.
Thats what i mean by submissive.
And yes, some male characters have magical powers.
But where do these men go to use these powers?
Hogwarts? LOL
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But I just told you that there are instances where the boys don't agree with the girls. I'll go back to the Brandon example. In season 5 Stella wants to be a fashion designer and starts creating outfits that she thinks are amazing but really aren't and she starts pushing them on others, thinking she's the best designer in the world. Brandon, while not wanting to hurt her feelings, does tell her that her clothes aren't as great as she thinks they are. She is upset by this but she works hard to improve and Brandon later praises her for being able to take advice. Riven and Musa don't agree on things all the time. There are many examples of that, just watch a few scenes of them together. And while my memory is fuzzy I swear that there have been times when in battle the Specialists and Winx don't agree. Also if they were actually submissive that would mean that they know that they are right and that the girls are wrong and go along with the girls' plan anyway because they aren't confident enough to stand up to them. That's the not the case with the Specialists. They will go along with the Winx's plan if they too think they are right or for other reasons think it's best to go that route. They've had their own ideas that they will go along with if they really do believe that they're right. Just because another side agrees with another doesn't make one side submissive. They would be submissive if they allowed the girls to walk all over them, which they don't. The Specialists aren't the Winx's slaves. They are their partners.
I'm sure there are schools for wizards like Red Fountain is to the Specialists, they just don't mention them because it is irrelevant to any of the important characters or plot. Some wizards were probably taught one-on-one with a master or learned magic themselves like Nabu. And even though there isn't a specific school for wizards that's been described in the Winx universe that doesn't mean that they don't exist or that their powers go unused. All of the wizards currently seen have proven to be very powerful in battle. There may also very well be wizards that attend Red Fountain as well. As far as I know there hasn't been any instances of this stated in the show but I don't see how it's an impossibility. Wizards need to learn how to fight with weapons or their bodies too. The Winx have learned many times that they can't fully rely on their magic and need to learn how to fight without it. Same would apply to wizards.
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Well it seems that Girls are often born with magic, where boys have to make do with lame swords.....
I prefer Redakai any day.
Or Thundercats.
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There are girl characters in Winx that aren't born with magic (though they're human) and there are boys that I'm sure are born with magic. I'm sure the wizards had to be born with some. The girls are born with magic because they're fairies, and there aren't any boy fairies (though I wish there were). And hey, swords are totally not lame. They're like the essence of badass.
Well good for you then. I'm not into any of those. Although didn't Thundercats use "lame swords" too?
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You may have a point.
But the swords in Thundercats have Magic in them.
And there attacks are a LOT more powerful.
Just think Mumm Ra appearing in the Magix like this.......
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJFyJO…
And i don't think Boys are fit to be fairies really.
The wings are kinda....well...feminine.
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Magic or not it's still a weapon, which you said are lame. If the Specialist's weapons were magic too would that make them any better for you?
I haven't seen any of the show so I have no idea how powerful they would be compared to Winx characters but given what I saw in the video he does look pretty powerful. I'm sure he would fit in nicely with the villians in Magix. Whether or not he'd be more powerful I can't say.
Boys can be fairies if they want. I really wish it were canon. I actually have a Winx OC that is both male and a fairy. It's the same the other way around too. I've seen girl Winx OCs that are Specialists and they're pretty cool.
Hey now, boys can totally be feminine. That doesn't make them any less of a man. So what if they have "girly" wings? They'd still be able to fight and kick tons of ass. They would be just as powerful as the fairies in the show, which prove themselves to be very powerful.
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Mumm Ra would wipe the floor with the Winx and Specialist's , trust me.
He shoots dense violet lightning bolts, rather than dusty clouds of magic.
He has a sword and gauntlet made out of the remains of whole STAR SYSTEM he blew up in order to make them.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8ye7I…
And when he combines them with his power stones he REALLY gets big!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrQiCp…
Boys can totally be feminine?
I have heard that before but it makes no sense to me, at all......
And those fairies are not that powerful in my book.
But than again, i am used to something a little more....well more...
No offense intended.
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I'll take your word for it.
Well it's true. I suggest you try to understand it. It's not good to be close minded.
Well I don't watch any of the shows you watch so I can't compare them to Winx very well. I'm not sure if they would be comparable.
Just curious, have you seen any of Winx Club?
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Well, i am not close minded, but why call a traits "feminine" if both men and women have them?
Makes no sense to me, at all.
And calling a boy "feminine" can really hurt his feelings, trust me, i know.
Being sensitive does not make you more like a women/girl.
Sounds more like Taoism. :I
Or Wicca.... :[
And no, they would not comparable at all.
I have seen up until they defeated Valtor.
I saw one episode when there was nothing else on, and wanted to know how it would end.....
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That's society's fault, sadly. They've made us think that women have to be feminine and men have to be masculine or else they're not considered normal and thus they get ridiculed. I don't think this should happen but it takes a long time to change something like that. And being sensitive is just fine, especially if you're male. But the media has brainwashed everyone into thinking that if men aren't super manly and tough they're not real men, which is just silly if you ask me.
What sounds like Taoism or Wicca?
Aw. Well you could probably stop after season 3. It starts to go down hill after that. Season 4's okay but compared to the other one's it's not quite as good. Season 5...it has disappointed me so much. And yet I finished the season and will watch season 6 when it comes out. I am in it for the long haul, though I'm not exactly sure why anymore.
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I am only saying traits have nothing to do with gender, we all have them.
For example being sensitive is not feminine, its human.
Men CANT be feminine, only women can be, and Women Cant be masculine only men can.
The idea that men have feminine and/or women have masculine ones.
That clearly comes from the whole Yin/Yang idea/Taoism Wiccans have embraced.
The thing i did not like about the most is the weak attacks really....
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Well yeah I agree that traits like being sensitive are human, but so are being feminine and masculine. Those are traits. They don't ALWAYS apply to their assigned genders. Women can have masculine traits and men can have feminine traits.
I suppose it does. I don't know much about either cultures so I can't say for sure. But that mentality shows up in a lot of other cultures and religions too, not just those.
Weak attacks? I'm not so sure I know what you mean. A lot of the characters on the show are very powerful and they show that. Whenever the girls get a new power up their new level of power is shown. The villains prove themselves to be super powerful too. Well...most of them.
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Their assigned genders?
Who decided that?
Who assigned these traits to be neighter masculine or feminine.
Name a few feminine traits!
In in my culture/religion......
Strong attacks in winx?
Show me!
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Society. Society decided this. It doesn't mean that these assignments are right, but they exist because society assigned them that way.
Here's a list of both masculine and feminine traits that society has given each gender. www.plannedparenthood.org/heal… I personally don't think that women have to have feminine traits or that men have to have masculine traits, but media has but these notions into the minds of society and that is that.
What about it?
The Winx defeating the season 2 big bad: youtu.be/qFn4ta-e6JA The Winx defeating season 4 big bads (this one shows the powerful villain attack as well): youtu.be/ULLOcHtRjDo
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Society? What Society did?
And why are these traits feminine or masculine if both genders have them?
I am not going to bewlieve in Yin/Yang cuz Society says i should, or its "cool"
Strong, well, not in my book.
The attacks seem rather, well, cloud-ish.
This is STRONG in my book:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wxoYx…
(Spoiler alert on both)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GPEmM…
15:44 in.
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Because that's usually what gender they coincide with. Women are usually soft and gracefully and motherful. Men are usually tough and strong. Obviously not everyone follows these stereotypes, and that is okay. These are just stereotypes after all. But it takes a lot of time and effort for stereotypes to change or disappear within society. Just look at the racial stereotypes people throw at each other. A lot of those have been around for centuries and they're still around, no matter how wrong or hurtful they might be. Once something's engraved into the minds of society it's really hard to change, like the gender stereotypes.
That's fine, you don't have to. I'm not saying you have to. But the concept of Yin and Yang and those kinds of opposites do show up in a lot of places. And there are people out there who do like Yin and Yang simply because they think the symbol is cool. But I'm not getting into that.
Yeah, those do look pretty powerful. But like I've said before I don't think Winx can even be compared to that. The universes are too different to make an accurate comparison.
But that's cool, you can like whatever kind of powers and attacks that you like.
Cloud-ish? You mean because the attacks look like clouds? I think that has mostly to do with the style of the show. That's how a majority of the attacks in Winx look, and from multiple characters.
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I just hate it when i am called "feminine"
Makes explode on the inside.
And a after that i feel just a tiny, little, bit a fear......
Where, the concept is from china right?
Maybe you are right here, and maybe i am to stubborn to admid that......
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Ah, I understand. I know some may direct it as an insult but I don't think it's an insult at all. So what if a guy is feminine? That's okay! I'm not saying you have to like it, but I think that there isn't any reason why being called feminine should be a bad thing. And fear? Why?
For Yin and Yang? I think so.
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I think you should NEVER say a guy is feminine, especially when he is underaged, insecure, or both. (11 for example)
I do not really know where the fear comes from, i think its just becuase i think its being pushed onn ppl.
Than its not that universal now is it?
I do!
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I don't think being feminine should be considered a bad thing, but I do see how it could be taken as an insult. I really wish that weren't the case. There's no reason for femininity to be a bad thing but it's been engraved in people's minds that it is.
Yes, the concept of Yin and Yang STARTED in China, but now the concept has grown universal. The kinds of opposites that Yin and Yang represent appear in multiple cultures. How many people not of Chinese decent do you see sporting the Yin Yang symbol? I've seen more than I can count. So yes, it is universal.
Well alright then.
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Insulting is not the issue, the issue is the fact that feelings young boys/men are hurt, in fact, it can even lead to depression, and a sense of being a sissy, less manly, etc etc.
Says who?
And does that mean i have to just blindly go along with it?
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Having your feelings hurt and being insulted are basically the same thing. Both make you feel like shit. And I know being picked on in any way can cause other issues like low self esteem and depression. I just wish that weren't the case. People shouldn't pick on people for ANY reason, especially if it has to do with their femininity or masculinity.
I never said that you had to go along with it. I'm just saying that the concept of opposites in nature show up in a lot of places, the prime example being yin and yang. This idea and the yin yang symbol are universal, that doesn't mean that you HAVE to believe in it. I'm not telling you to believe in anything actually.
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This is the way i usually reacted when i was younger(11/14):
I have no feminine side!
And than i would walk off slamming my feet into the playground.
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But that is the whole point, most men (like me) beleve they have have no femininity.
Most men like me think like this:
"If i am 30% feminine it means i am only 70% Masculine"
"So that means i am not fully a man?, or some sort of effeminate sissy?"
Stating your beliefs as facts is never a smart thing to do....
I havbe no feminine side!
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Well that's really not the best way of thinking. everyone has a masculine side AND a feminine side. You can't help that. Everyone was born that way. Everyone. If they say anything different they are wrong. And no one would be ashamed for being masculine or feminine or any combination of the two. From what you've said I can assume that you've felt insecure about having femininity for a long time, and I understand that. I understand why you would feel and think that way. But I don't think there is any reason for that. Whatever caused you to think that having femininity is a bad thing was completely in the wrong. You are not a "sissy" for being feminine. No one is. I have a guy friend who is very comfortable with his feminine side and isn't ashamed by it. Sometimes he thinks "Oh, maybe I should act a little more like a man should" but hey, everyone has those moments of doubt. But usually he is very comfortable with himself. He listens to P!nk and likes MLP:FIM but he also likes to play video games and he likes the typical manly action movies and comic books. There is a balance between these two traits and no one should be ashamed of them at all on any level. But I know that it happens. I know that bullying and shit like that happens. But it shouldn't. And I am very sorry if that's happened to you. It shouldn't have. People are dicks sometimes because they don't know any better. And that is just incredibly sad.
Huh? I'm not stating any of my beliefs. I am in fact stating facts. Here is a definition for universal: a person or thing having universal effect, currency, or application, in particular. The concept of yin and yang and those kinds of balance show up in a lot of places around the world, art, religion, everywhere. That's what universal means. Doesn't mean that everyone believes in it, it only means that it shows up. That's it. I am not telling you to believe anything nor am I stating of my beliefs. BTW I don't practice Buddhism or whatever it is that Yin Yang has come from. Not that that really matters.
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I just do not see the logic of it, don't believe in it, and refuse to see why being kindhearted is somehow related to being women-like?
GIVING BIRTH is feminine trait.
Its not universal ast all.
There is no balace in any religion i know other than Taoism and Wicca, and those are not universal.
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Being kindhearted is not a trait that is only for women. That is a human trait. Sure a lot of female characters are described as kind hearted but so are male characters.
Giving birth is a function. An animal function. A trait is something that describes personality or appearance. Giving birth is not either of those. It is something females do. And hey, giving birth is some serious shit. It's not weak in the slightest.
The concept of balance isn't just in religion. It's in art and other things too. And there is so balance in other religions. For example, heaven and hell. Opposites. Good and evil. They balance each other. But hey, I'm not telling you to believe anything. Believe what you want. Whatever.
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Being kindhearted is not a trait that is only for women, thats what i am trying to say.
There are no feminnine traits, just human ones.
Thats not yin/yang.
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Yes. Okay. I agree with you there. There are traits that are distinctively human and are demonstrated in different genders, but there are traits that are stereotypically female and stereotypically male. Does it mean that they're right? I don't know. That's just the way the world works.
What is Yin and Yang then?
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That is why i do not believe in that.
That's just the way the world works.
Sure....
A religious belief.
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But that is how the world works. How did you learn that there are such a thing as feminine and masculine traits? People. How did they know about them? Media. And I don't quite understand what you mean when you say "that's why I don't believe in that". Believe in what? And what is your reasoning for it? You're not being very clear.
Yin and Yang is not a religious belief in and of itself. It is a part of a religious belief and philosophy in general. Buddhism would be a religious belief, yin and yang is not. People don't say that their religion is "yin and yang", they say it's "Taoism".
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Says who?
How did you learn that there are such a thing as feminine and masculine traits? Not, not People, i did, i can think for myself.
I am not a slave to trends.
Religious belief and philosophy in general?
I dont think so!
No Yin Yang in the bible.
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I learned that from my parents, other people have met growing up, teachers, tv, media in general. Thinking for yourself is all well and good but there's no way that you didn't learn anything from society as you grew up. I assume you have parents and a family. The only way you couldn't have learned anything from other people is if you were raised by wolves in the wild, which I assume is not the case. You say you learned everything on your own but there's no way you weren't educated in some way by other people. If you watch tv or simply talk to other people you're going to learn what they tell you whether you like it or not.
Okay no, Yin and Yang isn't in the bible. That's because it is a Chinese philosophical idea. The bible wasn't written in China, it was written in the middle east. Two separate parts of the world that are pretty far away from each other. But the idea of opposites and balance within those opposites, like yin and yang, are everywhere. Good and evil, life and death, male and female, those are a few examples. And yes, Yin and Yang is a philosophical belief, a way of life that Taoists practice. I'm sure others practice it too as it is universal. Just because something isn't in the bible doesn't make it false.
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You ASUME others practice it too.
And you ASUME its universal.
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Yes, but that does not mean i will believe everything i am told.
And what makes it universal?
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That's fine, you don't have to believe everything you're told. What I'm saying is that you learn from other people. Whether you agree with what you have learned is another topic all together.
What makes it universal is that people around the world practice it. Maybe they all don't practice the Taoist Yin Yang belief but the concept of opposites, like Yin Yang, are everywhere. I'm not assuming that other people practice it. I know SOME do, but not everyone. I say that the Yin Yang symbol is universal because so many people know about it. I bet that if you show a random group of people a Yin Yang symbol they will all know what it is. It's everywhere. They don't have to believe in what it represents but they will surely know what it is.
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