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Raven-Blood-13 β not all fur is farmed
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template [link]eeh I hate ranting but it's something I think some people don't quite get.
I am OPPOSED to farming animals simply for clothing, but not all fur/skulls/pelts/taxidermy are farmed. My uncle is a hunter, who is 70 years old and is going into surgery, he loves animals, he never makes them suffer. He hunts for a living, he kills coyotes because they are a huge pest were he lives. That's how i've come to acquire so many skulls, not from a farm, or on the internet, but from him. he had to.
I just tend to see a lot of anti fur shit around, and I understand that, but I ask people, please get information before ranting on someone. You never know, they might have acquired the fur from natural causes, not everything is so dark and evil.
just think about the other persons feelings before you open your mouth. I hate ranting about anything, and i'm not putting any pain on anyone, you have your opinion, i have mine
If I get flamed for this then you obviously didn't read the description XD
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that's a good argumentΒ
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I'm sorry for double commenting, but most of the time the fur farmed animals are NOT abused or cramped, to make the best quality fur you must treat the animals the best. If fur farming was simply "to make roch snobs look good", they wouldn't abuse animals would they? Abused animal = bad fur, bad fur = unsellable.
Just sayin.
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Agreed. I really do think that most facilities known about by the media are true extremists. Β I also remember reading about how many times the farms will give the meat to neighboring towns and such. Β Though I mostly made the stamp because, at the time a couple of years ago, taxidermists and hunters were getting a large amount of hatred by being compared to fur farmers.
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And what makes meat farming any better?
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Most of the problem has to do with humane killing, people do not support it because of how the fur is farmed. cramped conditions with painful deaths. Β Another problem lies when fur is the only thing that is farmed, where the meat goes to waste. Β Though, not all fur farms do this, multiple farms give back to what ever community they are in. Β The problem here is that fur farms get a vicious reputation and many people loath them with a passion, this hate tends to turn on taxidermists and I wanted to point out that taxidermy doesn't always have to do with fur farming. Β
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But isn't meat farming the same? Don't they live in cramped conditions and are inhumanly killed? The meat does not go to waste, ever heard of meat byproduct?
Taxidermy has nothing to do with fur farming. The animals are hunted, natural death or roadkill.
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I'm not saying that meat and fur farming are that different. Β
I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying, I know that taxidermy isn't joined with the fur farming industry, but other people tend not to know that. Β I made the stamp to point that out since at the time I made it, which was over three years ago, a lot of taxidermy artists were getting a horrible rap for things they had no part in. Β
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it's just an usually cruel thing to do. creating cramped and un-enjoyably conditions for animals that will be slaughtered for their fur. this is usually thought of as detestable since the animals are only being used for their fur, though in some cases all of the body is used for different purposes. in this case I simply wanted to make a point that taxidermy and fur farming are different things and should not be treated as being similar.
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True. My furs are from naturally dead or roadkill.
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But isn't wearing fur outdated when we have modern materials? We have things like denim and cotton and imitation leather which are comfortable and can worn year-round. We should be striving for more modern and sophisticared materials for the future instead of wearing something that screams" I live in the 1920s!" I seriously cannot see people wearing fur while living in a "Jetsons" type future.
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I don't actually like denim that much, but I get your point and I agree with it.
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I actually wasn't talking about wearing fur, but I do see your point and I do agree with it! I was more so talking about the selling of pelts, which is usually a byproduct of hunting for meat or controlling a certain population. But I very much agree with you on simply taking the fur to make clothing, there are many other ways of getting the same effect.
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I have dealt with people who thought all my furs were ranched too... -_- some are, but not all. I've even been flamed over my supposedly ranched coyote, lol. People these days are getting more and more ignorant and childish.
But I wanted to mention something else on here after reading all the posts, about animals being skinned alive and such. (This isn't directed at you, sense you didn't mention anything about skinning alive I don't think... just for those "passing by".)
Even in China, animals are NOT skinned alive. Yes, some Chinese fur farms' conditions are terrible, but the videos of animals being skinned alive are staged. Every nick or hole in a pelt decreases its value, and blood staining it doesn't help the value either. Having an animal alive and squirming around, blood gushing everywhere, attacking the skinner.. Common sense anyone? Skinning is hard enough, and with an animal alive and kicking, it makes it even harder. An animal alive makes it worse for both the human and animal involved. So why would they leave an animal alive? What's their reason? Maybe there are some sick people out there who love to torture animals, but most are in it for the money. Which means there is no reason to skin them alive unless they were payed to do it for a staged video.
Not to mention, how the animals are treated prior to their death determines the value of their fur as well. Anyone who knows anything about animals knows an animals coat speaks a lot about their health. If an animal is sick, diseased, or fed a very poor diet... how do you think their coat will turn out? People want fat foxes so there's more fur, and they want soft, shiny coats, not dull, coarse ones.
Also, I can't provide links for other countries but I'm sure googling would provide you with some sites.. but here's the fur commission web site for the US, which provides answers on things such as regulations on how animals are kept and treated. [link]
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This is a very good argument thank you! I know this post has been filled with a lot of hate towards a lot of people that don't deserve it. This is really good info, and makes a lot of sense.
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Loooool?
I don't know what is worse, to be honest. Let's see... fur FARMING is a lot like meat farming, except rules on killing the animal outright simply aren't there. I've seen videos of foxes and weasels staggering around without flesh on their bodies for days before they die. I think if properly controlled, fur farming is the only conventional and best option out there.
The other option is going out into the wilderness and shooting up wild animals from which you can get no guaranteed consensus on the overall population. And that's worse.
A good example of this is over-fishing. Cod disappeared from the waters in my local community because of over-fishing the wild populations. If they farmed them, that simply wouldn't have happened. That's my opinion on it anyway. : /
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I enjoy your opinion and argument, you make some really good points.
I guess it's an argument of which is worse, I personally believe raising animals to be killed in mass for only their fur is much worse than killing individuals that had a full life for the fur, meat, ect. But yes, like over fishing, anything overdone can have a dramatic effect on a population and environment.
The stamp I made is to simply point out that many people throw their anger for fur farmers onto locals that hunt in humane ways.
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I don't know if any economical farming can afford to be wasteful nowadays. If animal bodies are left behind after fur is farmed, the company would profit from selling the bodies wholesale to composters to be recycled, same as livestock owners recycle the hides of cattle to make car seats, sofas and so on, and the skeletons into glue and compost. Almost all companies nowadays try to be 100% zero waste, either for tax or profit purposes. It's an incentive for growth, whereas I just see shooting a wild animal as taking from an environment that cannot sustain hunting anymore unless VERY strictly controlled.
I understand your point over people being angry with local hunters. Honestly, I've seen terrible behaviour from fur farmers and local hunters alike. I think both fur farms and local hunters can do things properly and sustainably, but some just give them a really bad rep.
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Personally I would not have as much of a problem with fur farms if I knew that were true and if I knew that the animals actually had a good life before hand. It tends to be very cruel and inhumane, not saying hunting doesn't do the same at times. There is bad in both, I just find hunting in moderation is much better than killing in mass in terribly painful ways. We have hunting season so that we don't go overboard and they usually regulate the age of which an animal can be killed.
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Meat farms did mostly the same behaviour, often worse, during culling season. Of course, this was before a lot of the controls came into effect. I have no idea what controls there are for fur farms, but if they were enacted in such a way the same as they did for the meat industry, there would be a lot more happier and well treated animals I think.
I heard about the age regulation laws with regards to hunting. I think that's a good idea, the only issue I have with it was that if a large enough group of people went in and all of these people shot one adult animal each, well... I'm sure you get the picture, haha xp
A consensus over the animal population being hunted in wilderness areas would be awesome. I'd be totally happy with that, and then regulate the hunting based on how many adults can sustainably be hunted. Unfortunately that would need a lot of funding and rangers to go out and spy on the animals... and in effect, it makes them a kind of livestock as well in the end. :c
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The thing is most hunting is extremely regulated, you need a licenses and it needs to be the correct season. There are problems with every one of these things though, when it comes to animal life there will always be a problem with over hunting or inhumane killing. Both our arguments can be argued in light of morals, I simply believe the farming of animals to be killed for fur only is terrible but so can hunting. You believe that hunting can have much worse effects being it is in the wilderness and not in a controlled environment like farms. Though really I'm getting off track, the stamp simply was to bring attention to the fact that many hunters and taxidermist (at the time of me making the stamp) were being ridiculed for being the same as fur farms by skinning animals alive and killing in inhumane ways. This was when light was shined on many Chinese fur farms skinning animals alive. I wanted to just bring up that most hunters are humane at killing, even if you don't agree in what they do. Sorry If I got way off track.
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I agree. I mean, I can't think of a single person here who is for fur farms in China and how they skin animals alive. But, what people need to understand is, not all fur is attained that way. Most animals are raised and killed humanely nowadays, not put through torture. Thank you for this.
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It's just kind of sad, people with good intentions going after the wrong people. It spreads hate in the wrong place.
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Thank you! A lot of people forget you can actually HUNT things that bear fur. I know this sounds odd and a bit sick, but I had a friend back in San Antonio that would aquire his furs some times from roadkill. If its entact enough he'd cure it and make it into a nice boa or, if he was very lucky in finding enough, a nice jacket. Fur farming aint right, but it aint the only place to get fur.
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I've heard of that, I find nothing wrong with it, it's simply making use of something instead of letting it go to waste
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Exactly. Its still a bit weird, but its a good thing.
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Ah.
In that case, I suppose children should be cared for, brought up well and then killed for their guts and bodies. I mean, they lived good lives, right? So I guess then it's OK to kill them for something that clearly belonged to them in the first place. It makes prefect sense. Why use cotton or wool? Y'know, when you can just kill something for it.
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There IS human taxidermy
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I was going to say pics or it didn't happen
but this is the internet XD
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oh yes. There is a site for it. but i forgot the name
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You obviously aren't seeing what I'm trying to get at.
I'm not saying that killing is a good thing. I'm saying to not condone a person because they have fur, not every pelt was taken by killing mercilessly. I see a lot of people that do taxidermy get scrutinized because people think they killed the animal for no reason, many of the times the pelts are gained from animals getting into accidents.
And what do children have to do with anything? I'm not saying to raise your dog then shoot it for it's pelt or meat.
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But raising a wild animal for it's fur and killing it is still wrong! I'm sorry if I came off as bitchy, but it just pains me. How can you look at an animal, a living thing, being brought up and then murdered for something we could grow in fields.
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murder applies to humans. they get euthanized.
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You don't RAISE a wild animal.
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I'm against fur farming, I never said in the description I was for it at all.
I agree with you that killing an animal just for it's fur is wrong, but I'm talking about people that kill the animal to eat the meat and sell the fur, not just massacring the animal for only it's pelt.
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Win, win, win!
I'm one of those weird people who loves taxidermy but hates fur farms. XD So while I wouldn't buy fur from a store (you just have no way of telling whether or not it came from those horrible chinese fur farms) I wouldn't mind purchasing a deer pelt from a licensed hunter. In fact I might just in the future.
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Yeah, I personally think people demonize things way too much, something may not be good somewhere but that doesn't mean it's all bad. That's like saying every Muslim is a terrorist.
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I don't see any problems with fur farms if animals are threated with care and were killed fast. Yes, i do have a furcoat and i wear it.
I love it and i'm very grateful to these animals whose fur i'm wearing because they keep me warm.
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They are never treated with care. They are in slavery. For YOU. Please read up on how fur farm animals are treated.
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Oh yeeees, how could i forget. And you know what? AM I FINE WITH THAT!
Now let me explain how this shit works: if you won't treat fur animals with care, they will get sick. If they will get sick they may start to loose their fur.
Thus owner of the fur farm won't be able to sell it. No fur - no money. That's how things are normally done. Oh and in case if you wonder - animals are killed in the most humane and fast way - with electricity. Or you seriously think that the way when, i.e. fox, will be caught in a trap, slowly die in it from shock, trauma and starvation until hunter will find this particular trap in a huge forest (let's not forget that not all hunters can check traps everyday), is more humane?
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I guess in that case it's alright to kill a living thing. I mean. They don't communicate the same way we do, they don't look like us, and they don't sound like us, so GEE, why should they're lives matter? Your mother was brought up well. Can I kill her for her liver now, please?
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This isn't about how they look or what they do. Humans are omnivores thus they need both meat and plants.
What comes about fur - do you have an alternative that would be just as eco-friendly as fur and has the same warm-saving characteristics as fur? Oh, and don't forget - it must not be too expensive. No? Then go and calm down.
Nah, her liver isn't very good - let's kill that fat guy next door, so we can make an awesome Foie gras.
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There's plenty of clothing that's warm enough. Eco friendly? Most of the animals being killed for their fur are ENDANGERED. As for expensive, furs are more expensive than normal clothing. Why do you think everyone isn't walking around wearing fur coats?
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Where i live a lot of people walking around in furcoats in winter.
Warm enough? Like how warm? For +10C (50F) or warm for - 35C (-31)? Or for -15C (5F) with high humidity and cold wind that feels like -25C (-13F) and you face is falling off? Like there is a huge difference you know.
*sigh* If somebody kill endangered animals for fur then they are poarchers and should be punished. If these are furfarm animals or not endangered animals then there is nothing wrong with that. Like you know, furfarms were invented so that you wouldn't need to run around the forest and kill wild animals.
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