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psiandco [2020-05-04 23:07:18 +0000 UTC]
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Willpagan [2014-09-12 22:40:07 +0000 UTC]
Very good.
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Blue-Jedi [2014-08-19 15:08:06 +0000 UTC]
Every time I see that little Fed ship, I think of the SFB Mustang. Β Is it supposed to be a PF ship? Β Unofficially that is?
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Blue-Jedi In reply to RobCaswell [2014-08-28 20:02:10 +0000 UTC]
Pseudo Fighter, or "Fast Patrol" vessel.
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RobCaswell In reply to Blue-Jedi [2014-08-28 23:20:40 +0000 UTC]
The Archer or the DaVinci? The latter is a small personal transport. The former is a scout.
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Blue-Jedi In reply to RobCaswell [2014-08-29 08:56:48 +0000 UTC]
I guess the bigger of the two.
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griffwolf [2014-07-30 15:11:23 +0000 UTC]
Those floating balls of light are falling down on the job!
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RobCaswell In reply to Colourbrand [2014-07-29 15:19:03 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, it's hard to say if it got "forgotten" or just "ignored". As a vehicle it forced the Feds and Klingons to pursue a Cold War, which is the social comment vehicle that they (the show staff) wanted. But when Roddenberry was kicked off the show in the third season, I think nuanced restraints like the Organian Peace Treaty went with him.
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Colourbrand In reply to RobCaswell [2014-07-29 17:02:10 +0000 UTC]
There is that and be honest, Gene was very lucky with Star Trek - everything else he engineered was to say rather lacklustre.
Look at Andromeda, Earth 2, and such nonsense.
To be honest, Gene's idea for Star Trek 2 was just as "WFT!"
And look to the early episodes of TNG - hmmm.
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RobCaswell In reply to Colourbrand [2014-07-29 18:47:06 +0000 UTC]
Well Trek's success isn't ALL due to Gene. All these things rise and fall on the team. The show's story editors can take a big bow and plumbing the SF literary community for work led to some of the best episodes, like Doomsday Machine, Amok Time, Arena, and City of the Edge of Forever. But, bottom line, is that it was the right idea at ALMOST the right time. It was just a few years ahead of where it needed to be, which is why it didn't survive beyond season three. Gene's other ideas, like Specter, Genesis II, The Questor Tapes had the germ of something good, but just weren't as strong as Trek. And with stuff like "Andromeda", it's hard to really credit that to him since it was done after his death and was just based on a premise that he created.
Yeah, TNG's early episodes don't do Roddenberry's reputation any favors. I could speculate on why they were so bad, but... let's just admit that they were and move on
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Doga-87 [2014-07-28 18:57:39 +0000 UTC]
Its not like the Organians are only ever mentioned in two episodes of the original series.
that aside: great job.
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RobCaswell In reply to Doga-87 [2014-07-29 15:19:47 +0000 UTC]
Hm? Not sure I understand your first comment?
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Doga-87 In reply to RobCaswell [2014-07-29 15:38:32 +0000 UTC]
The Organians, as best I recall, are only used/mentioned in two episodes of the original series. The one they show up in, and then as a kind of side-mention in...the Trouble with Tribbles?Β
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RobCaswell In reply to Doga-87 [2014-07-29 18:51:01 +0000 UTC]
I think the Organians were a series tool to help the Federation and Klingon stories remain as mirrors to the period's Cold War. I think they were faithful to that until Roddenberry was forced out for season three and then it was "open season on action!" DC Fontana (TOS' story editor) did deal with them again in her graphic novel for IDW. It makes me wonder if they would have revisited the idea in a fourth season episode. Especially considering that the very first original Trek novel (Blish's "Spock Must Die!") dealt with that very subject.
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MetalSnail [2014-07-28 18:21:51 +0000 UTC]
Very nice!
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Zhaanman [2014-07-28 18:14:19 +0000 UTC]
Man someones in trouble Ha nice one great look!!
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Ienkoron [2014-07-28 16:07:23 +0000 UTC]
I guess even the Organians can't stop all the pew-pew XD
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GregStitz [2014-07-28 15:47:40 +0000 UTC]
were*
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RobCaswell In reply to GregStitz [2014-07-28 16:46:16 +0000 UTC]
That's what I get for posting when I still have one foot in bed and one hemisphere in dreamland.
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Thomas-Peters [2014-07-28 15:31:35 +0000 UTC]
HEY!! You got there first! I've been cooking up a piece with the Archer and the Ranger, but its gonna be hard to outdo this! Love the composition and your pallet That disrupter green really kicks the piece into high gear!
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Lictre [2014-07-28 15:00:41 +0000 UTC]
That depends on whether or not the enemy is the Klingons or not, and where the conflict is taking place, since the Organians only make the tensions impossible to escalate within a certain defined volume of space along the Federation/Klingon border.
Otherwise, the writer of that episode should have just called them Deities, since they would have been exercising godlike powers by changing two entire species at a basic level, simultaneously affecting both the living generations, and those yet to be born.
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RobCaswell In reply to Lictre [2014-07-28 15:14:26 +0000 UTC]
I never heard that wrinkle of the Organians only acting in border regions. It's actually a nice attempt to mitigate the Organian influence... but then a battle fleet could just wander into a more central region, uncontested, and then let loose on the core worlds. So I'm not sure how effective a caveat the idea really is.
As far as calling the Organians "deities" vs. "aliens", I think Clarke's Law comes into play for the answer.
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mdbruffy In reply to RobCaswell [2014-07-28 19:19:24 +0000 UTC]
Just as a point of discussion,when Ayelborne stops the fight, he does state that he's "standing" on both the homeworld of the Federation and the Klingon Empire. So I'd say the Organians are fully capable of preventing a war anywhere along the Federation-Klingon border.
The Federation- Romulan border is another matter. Everyone seems to forget about them.
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Lictre In reply to RobCaswell [2014-07-28 15:45:41 +0000 UTC]
Roddenbury tended to come up with godlet races pretty routinely... the race that had Kirk and the Gorn fighting, the Organians, Trelayne's race, the Q continuum, the race that had posed as the Greek gods, among others.Β These races allowed him to have the occasional Deus-Ex-Machina resolution to episodes.Β One of the implied godlike races is the race that built the Guardian on the Edge of Forever.
I read it as the Organian zone being intended to relieve pressure of conflict in the immediate vicinity of the border on both sides, allow an area of guaranteed non-violence for interaction and diplomacy, allow both races to have early-warning frontiers that also kept the establishment of defensive depths from appearing like aggressive expansionism.Β These actions didn't do a blessed thing to the abilities of either power to fight with the Romulans or other races, just Klingons and the Federation, within that specific volume of space.Β Otherwise events in "The Undiscovered Country", and Star Trek II couldn't happen, such as the Klingon Bird of Prey firing on the Science vessel, the fight on the Genesis planet.Β Either the Organians had to limit the interference to a specific area, or the effect didn't even last a single human generation.
As an 'ethically advanced' race, the Organians would have been monumental monstrosities were they to completely remove the abilities of two galactic powers to engage in conflict, as what they did would effectively be either mind-control on interstellar scales, or putting a punitive choke-chain on every sentient in those civilizations.Β In the first case, the people learn nothing, as they're now all Organian puppets, and in the second case, they've created a unifying force in both powers to develop to the point of punishing the Organians.
The question would arise whether a race that no longer needs bodies would retain a tendency to use or maintain material technologies, and at what point does mental manipulation of matter and forces cease being psionics and become magic to the observer? Using the OED (online) definition of Technology, the dividing line between magic and technology is the use of scientific knowledge.Β Quoting www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/β¦ , Technology is "The application of Scientific knowledge for practical purposes, especially in industry.Β Purely mental races would logically have almost no need for material technology, unless their ascendance to that state is an unstable, artificial state, in which case the race could not actually be said to have actually ascended.
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