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An old suggestion, made to me by a friend back in 2013 - what if Imperial Japan won WWII? I told him that it was unlikely, but I did think about it. And then I stopped thinking about it for two years, and got back to thinking about it when I saw it on my to-do list. And heck, we don't have enough Imperial Japan victories (admittedly, for good reason), and those we do have have them playing second fiddle to the Third Reich. Inspired a bit by B_Munro's The Ultimate Weapon .
I bet my profile will now be banned in China.
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Charles Lindbergh, famous aviator who flew nonstop for nearly 3,600 miles I a single-engine monoplane, was shaken on March 1932. A group of criminals attempted to kidnap, an d possibly murder, his infant son, Charles Lindbergh Jr. Fortunately, the perpetrators were captured by the police soon after the commission of their crime, and were promptly arrested. Lindbergh would go on to be a prominent anti-war figure, later becoming a primary challenger to Franklin Roosevelt's foreign policies. Lindbergh's "America First" movement became extremely powerful, pressuring Roosevelt into a more neutral stance with regard to nations such as Germany and Japan. Charles eventually followed his father's footsteps by running for Congress as a Republican, moving his movement closer to the White House and forcing Roosevelt to make concessions if he wanted more of his New Deal programs passed.
In the meanwhile, Japan continued on its march of conquest in China, and another botched kidnapping would change history. In 1936, Zhang Xueliang attempted to kidnap Chiang Kai-Shek, leader of the Kuomintang and the Republic of China, in order to force him into a negotiation with the Chinese Communist Party to form a united front against the Japanese. During an escape attempt, Chiang was killed by one of Zhang's men. While the man in question was executed for his incompetence, the act splintered the National Revolutionary Army, as different factions attempted to gain power. The Chinese Communists and various warlords entered the fray, attempting to gain the upper hand over their rivals. The true winner was Japan, which mopped up resistance against it with ease and backed up various puppet leaders. Zhang's Manchurian clique defected to the Japanese, forming the backbone of the Japanese puppet, Manchukuo. By 1940, Japan had pacified most of China's coast, while the heartland was left to tear itself to pieces.
Japan would later turn its attention south, and attack the Dutch and British colonies of Asia as their home countries were busy dealing with their ally, Hitler's Germany. The Japanese avoided the Philippines entirely, convinced that President Lindbergh will do nothing to stop them so long as the Americans are left alone. They were right, until unrestricted submarine warfare between Germany and the United States (and a failed attempt by German saboteurs to bomb New York harbors) led to Lindbergh declaring war on the Germans. Although the Germans had been somewhat faithful allies, up to supplying the Japanese with nuclear science,[1] the Japanese refused to declare war on the United States. Hitler could do little but fume at this "Oriental betrayal," fury that would later cause him to have a fatal stroke in 1944. The Wehrmacht coup that followed afterward purged most of the senior Nazis, and were willing to negotiate peace with the Allies. Although the Allies initially refused, a German nuclear attack against Red Army positions on the Elbe forced them to think otherwise. As it turns out, the nuclear weapon was a Japanese design,[2] as the Japanese made more progress with the bomb and wished to share it with Germany give the West and Soviets a bigger headache, um I mean, to make up for not declaring war on the United States. In the meanwhile, the Japanese would force the British to the negotiating table when they detonated their first nuclear weapon in Burma.
The world that formed afterward became split in three, with three poles of power - Washington, Moscow, and Tokyo. After Britain lost India to a communist revolution, it lost its status as world empire and effectively became an appendage of the United States. The Americans formed the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to defend the countries the West liberated during the Second World War, and the Soviets did likewise in their portion of Europe with the Prague Pact. Between the two of them was Greater Germany, the autocratic military regime which persisted after WWII. Although Germany remained a threat, they were far weaker than they were in the beginning of the 20th century, and were unwilling to start round two (or three, depending on if you count WWI).
The East remained Japan's playground. Japan has mellowed out over the years, and while its eastern puppets are far from kind, and pro-Japanese racism persists, the Japanese are more willing to deal with foreigners through economic rather than military dominance. The Japanese compete with the Soviets over who can dominate the Third World more, with the Japanese appealing more to right-wing nationalists and the Soviets supporting communist groups. India has become a popular middle-man for Soviet arms, as its radical government is more than willing to send "Peasant Volunteer Groups" to every corner of the world to fight the world revolution.
Two rival Chinese states have formed in the center of the Asian continent. Initially formed from the last remnants of the Chinese Nationalists and Chinese Communists (with Allied assistance), the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China can only agree on two things - the Japanese are the worst and militaristic totalitarianism is way cool. Both Chinese states are armed to the teeth, and both have become nuclear powers (to the chagrin of the Japanese). Each is a threat to the other, and would destroy the other in a heartbeat, but they would also love another opportunity to fight the Japanese, even if that means working together. This attitude has actually led to the two Chinese states breaking away from their American and Soviet allies. They remain a threat to world peace, but both states understand that the Japanese have no qualms with utterly destroying them if it came down to that.
[1] The Germans thought this "Jewish science" was bunk, and were giving the Japanese useless information. Since the Japanese took anti-Semitic propaganda the "wrong" way and believed the Jews to be superior (how else could they rule the world?), the Japanese took it and ran with it.
[2] A Japanese design, not a Japanese-built weapon.
Comments: 52
BadgingBadger [2017-03-15 21:20:29 +0000 UTC]
I think a better PoD for this would be having the japanese discover the manchurian oil fields at around 1937-38.
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TwisterAce [2015-09-26 18:24:42 +0000 UTC]
It's nice to see a "Japan wins WWII" timeline. Such scenarios are usually considered ASB in AH circles.
At least this one's not as depressing as scenarios that have Nazi Germany winning as well.
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awesomedude19999 [2015-09-19 01:06:26 +0000 UTC]
Can you do one with Fascist Italy?
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awesomedude19999 [2015-08-15 15:23:50 +0000 UTC]
So, Germany is basically North Korea?
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Whiteshore1 [2015-06-20 03:20:29 +0000 UTC]
Did President Barry Goldwater almost start a nuclear war?
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grisador [2015-06-16 10:50:45 +0000 UTC]
That İS some good Alternate History !
World seems more Legit/er than Ours
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RvBOMally In reply to grisador [2015-06-17 00:29:25 +0000 UTC]
No, this is wildly implausible.
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paireon In reply to RvBOMally [2015-07-12 21:02:10 +0000 UTC]
I think it's a rather worrisome testament to human nature when a world with "saner" authoritarian/totalitarian regimes is actually far less plausible than OTL's grab-bag of crackpot lunacy. Then again, OTL doesn't have Imperial Japan, the USSR, or fascistic Germany (just to name the bigger problems) anymore, which I'll wager is arguably the better deal.
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RvBOMally In reply to paireon [2015-07-12 23:03:43 +0000 UTC]
Moderate evil lasts longer, and I think that's worse because more evil can be done in the long run.
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grisador In reply to RvBOMally [2015-06-17 11:56:02 +0000 UTC]
İt is comparetable with American Empire AltHistories; maybe slightly better
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OneHellofaBird [2015-05-21 17:58:39 +0000 UTC]
oo, I just got a vision of Lindy flying a B-17 over Tokyo--for the Olympics
as for the Sphere, even without the Imperial Wayers running around I still see a rift between the Burnham-style bureaucratic authoritarians vs. Shinto-esque mystics
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RvBOMally In reply to OneHellofaBird [2015-05-21 18:31:33 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, Japan is far from a politically unified entity. There are also the reformers who just want to make money by selling *VCRs to the West, and they've been in power for a while.
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mdc01957 [2015-05-21 14:29:42 +0000 UTC]
It's also a bit hilarious how Spain still manages to be a center for Japanese culture in Europe. Given how in OTL, shows like Mazinger Z became ludicrously popular there.
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RvBOMally In reply to mdc01957 [2015-05-21 15:04:26 +0000 UTC]
Huh, I didn't know that. Nifty.
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Castorem [2015-05-21 13:22:57 +0000 UTC]
So, who rules in Germany, if not the Nazis? And who's the bigger boogie man for the USSR? The west or the far east?
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RvBOMally In reply to Castorem [2015-05-21 14:57:55 +0000 UTC]
Germany is still ruled by the traditionalist autocrats of the Wehrmacht.
The West is the bigger boogie man for the USSR. Japan has mostly just been a bother in Africa and the Middle East to them, while the West has challenged the USSR in Europe as well (Germany's more or less neutral in that respect).
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LJB92 [2015-05-21 09:14:04 +0000 UTC]
Is Germany still a Military Dictatorship?
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RvBOMally In reply to LJB92 [2015-05-21 14:56:31 +0000 UTC]
Yes.
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KuboCaskett [2015-05-21 03:53:39 +0000 UTC]
I like this map and I find maps where the militarist Imperial Japan winning WWII underrated; usually the Axis power that gets all the attention is Nazi Germany and personally I find it overrated. Sure Nazi Germany is undisputedly evil, but I find Imperial Japan (the militarist one), North Korea, and ISIS to be equally as bad (though Commie nations don't count since their ideologies are "sympathetic"). What you have described, Japan may be resorting to economic dominance ala OTL China, but I'm willing to be it's still ruled by the Taisei Yokunsukai, that totalitarian Far-Right Junta that was set up in 1940 and lasted up until the end of WWII.
Speaking of which, I wonder what kinds of horrors have been inflicted on the Japanese-ruled lands? I hate to see Unit 731 and other sick freaks still active in Manchukuo.
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RvBOMally In reply to KuboCaskett [2015-05-21 14:59:39 +0000 UTC]
The idea of Japan resorting to economic dominance was inspired by OTL China, and Japan in the 1980s. It is still run by a far-right junta, but one that was never as insane as ours. They were wise enough not to attack the United States.
Unit 731 is still operating, as a bioweapons research unit to come up with new WMDs for Japan in the cold war.
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KuboCaskett In reply to RvBOMally [2015-05-21 16:06:55 +0000 UTC]
Perhaps not attacking the US is the most sanest thing they ever did in the junta's existence.
As for the two Chinas, I think the whole area would end up under Japanese influence rather than exist as two separate nations. Why? Because I think one of the long term goals of the J-Militarists is the complete domination of all of China alongside Asia. I'm surprised that the two nations are still around rather than eventually put under Japanese rule (and I don't blame them for hating the Empire).
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RvBOMally In reply to KuboCaskett [2015-05-21 16:49:04 +0000 UTC]
The militarists wanted to dominate all of Asia, but again, they're saner here - they decided domination of the coasts is fine, while allowing all of the anti-Japanese elements to move to the center acts as a pressure valve for their puppets. It also saves on manpower, which would be needed for garrisons otherwise. In a way, they're "controlled opposition," entities that can be counted upon to despise them, but not enough to actually do anything about it.
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KuboCaskett In reply to RvBOMally [2015-05-21 20:45:16 +0000 UTC]
About the coasts of China, Japan only rules the northern and the southern ones, not the eastern ones.
Also, wouldn't the borders of Southeast Asia be different? I heard that Japan had plans to change them to suit their puppet states at the expense of the people livening in them.
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RvBOMally In reply to KuboCaskett [2015-05-21 22:52:22 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, they left the eastern coast to the RoC. It proved too difficult to control.
As for Southeast Asia's borders, again, a saner Japanese leadership decided that pissing off the locals too much was a bad idea.
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KuboCaskett In reply to RvBOMally [2015-05-21 23:26:27 +0000 UTC]
Hmm, if the Taisei Yokunsukai (or the "Junta" if you prefer) can be "sane" then I hate to see a "sane" Nazi Party (though have seen a TL with that premise called The Veterinarian Totalitarian).
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RvBOMally In reply to KuboCaskett [2015-05-22 01:38:29 +0000 UTC]
Most Nazi victories written after the 1960s have sane Nazis as a prerequisite.
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KuboCaskett In reply to RvBOMally [2015-05-22 14:28:00 +0000 UTC]
Interesting, and here I was under the impression that "sane" Nazis are unlikely (I got that from being in AH.com you know).
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RvBOMally In reply to KuboCaskett [2015-05-22 15:03:09 +0000 UTC]
Well, they are unlikely. That doesn't stop ASB-dwellers like myself from pulling the necessary strings to get what I need in a timeline.
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KuboCaskett In reply to RvBOMally [2015-05-22 20:31:31 +0000 UTC]
But unlikely doesn't mean impossible in my book.
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RvBOMally In reply to KuboCaskett [2015-05-22 22:20:23 +0000 UTC]
It doesn't in mine, either.
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KuboCaskett In reply to RvBOMally [2015-05-22 22:33:43 +0000 UTC]
Then I guess we have something in common.
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Leopold002 [2015-05-21 03:33:11 +0000 UTC]
Interesting!
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RvBOMally In reply to PersephoneEosopoulou [2015-05-21 03:38:34 +0000 UTC]
My grandparents lived in the Philippines during WWII. I've heard stories about just how bad the GEACPS was.
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PersephoneEosopoulou In reply to RvBOMally [2015-05-21 03:44:06 +0000 UTC]
I guess life in post WWII Japanese allies was harsh for them at first and might still be ?
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RvBOMally In reply to PersephoneEosopoulou [2015-05-21 15:04:16 +0000 UTC]
In the GEACPS ITTL, life got better after the war, but gradually.
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PersephoneEosopoulou In reply to RvBOMally [2015-05-21 15:19:12 +0000 UTC]
Hows the Soviet Union doing economically ?
Also how are things in South Africa and German ?
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RvBOMally In reply to PersephoneEosopoulou [2015-05-21 15:22:47 +0000 UTC]
Better than OTL Russia.
South Africa, I described on the annotations. Germany is doing fine, although as I mentioned elsewhere it is a dictatorship.
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PersephoneEosopoulou In reply to RvBOMally [2015-05-21 15:55:47 +0000 UTC]
I mean in depth with SA, is it falling apart or bearly chugging along since something like apartheid strains an economy
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AHPLUSEVERYTHINHG [2015-05-21 02:50:01 +0000 UTC]
I was not expecting this to be a Japan wank. Great map though.
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