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Larrimeme In reply to Larrimeme [2022-08-09 17:01:09 +0000 UTC]

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ShockTherapyStables In reply to askatasunak [2017-01-02 22:23:29 +0000 UTC]

Merle is a modifier that will affect any and all black markings, including brindle stripes. It basically takes black and lightens it to a slightly blue grey with black patches. When applied to brindle, this makes the brindle stripes patchy with both blue/gray and black striping.

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askatasunak In reply to ShockTherapyStables [2017-01-02 23:52:23 +0000 UTC]

thank you also are these two dogs genetically possible?

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that ones a liver with tan points

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this one is a Isabella with brindle

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ShockTherapyStables In reply to askatasunak [2017-01-03 00:47:59 +0000 UTC]

Yep you got it. Liver with tan points is one of my favorite colorations.

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askatasunak In reply to ShockTherapyStables [2017-01-03 01:07:48 +0000 UTC]

alright thanks

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ShockTherapyStables In reply to MinaWolf10 [2016-12-15 20:18:15 +0000 UTC]

Thanks.

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ShockTherapyStables In reply to Cirrue [2016-10-01 18:42:17 +0000 UTC]

Merle affects all black markings so while the solid merle parts may seem unaffected by brindle, the striping that would appear on the tan points would have merle spotting in it.

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Cirrue In reply to ShockTherapyStables [2016-10-03 00:06:14 +0000 UTC]

Oh thank you! That sounds pretty cool

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ShockTherapyStables In reply to Shadow-Chu [2016-07-19 01:05:26 +0000 UTC]

Brindle akitas are a complex but very interesting color combo! I'm going to use the first image link as an example for most of this.

Thing to remember: dog coats are made of (up to) three colors: red (phaomelanin), black (eumelanin), and white. White covers black, and black covers red. But the odd thing about these dogs is the black stripes appear to cover over some of the white, which is genetically not possible.

What's happening with that dog's coloring is that he is genetically a red dog. Without his stripes, he looks like www.101dogbreeds.com/wp-conten… . The white markings on his face, chest, belly, and legs are caused by a gene called Urajiro, which causes these areas to have their red pigment lightened until it is so pale it looks white. So although the Urajiro markings look white, they're genetically composed of red pigment. Which means that the black brindle stripes show up on top of them, as Urajiro doesn't affect black. So where the stripes show up over the natural red pigment we see stripes on a red background, and where they show up over the Urajiro-lightened areas we see stripes on a 'white' background (which causes the stripes to look grey)

And then in addition to the Urajiro, we also have a second type of white - true white 'Irish' markings on the chest and paws. This is a very common marking found on a lot of dog breeds. IIRC, it is found on almost all Akitas. But it's not typically seen, because the area where Irish white normally occurs is also the area affected by Urajiro (chest and legs). Because you can't very well see white markings on a near-white background, it's typically 'hidden.' However because black is the 'middle layer' of pigments (covers red, is covered by white), the brindle stripes will show up over the Urajiro, but not over the Irish markings.

Which gives us a dog that looks like your first image link. A red dog, with Urajiro, with brindle, with Irish white - four individual components at play. The same combo is also happening on the dog in your your third link. The dogs in the second and fourth links also have the same combo, but instead of being red with Urajiro they're a lighter fawn/cream with Urajiro. The 2nd dog has very heavy brindle striping, which makes him look very black-and-silver, while the 4th dog has lighter striping, so we can more clearly see the underlying colors.

You can read more about these colors here doggenetics.co.uk/albino.html#… and here doggenetics.co.uk/brindle.html…

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Shadow-Chu In reply to ShockTherapyStables [2016-07-19 01:25:45 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for the response! I've been studying dog genetics for a while now (most of my information comes from the website you linked, actually!), but the brindled akitas always stumped me. :] It's a lot clearer now; thank you again!

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ShockTherapyStables In reply to Shadow-Chu [2016-07-22 02:35:46 +0000 UTC]

you're welcome!

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ShockTherapyStables In reply to Velveretta [2014-12-23 01:32:15 +0000 UTC]

Glad it helped! For reverse brindles I typically find it easier to fill in a whole layer with the stripe color and then erase out the non-striped bits (or paint the dog dark and then paint in the light base depending on how you work!) Reference pictures are always super helpful too

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Velveretta In reply to ShockTherapyStables [2014-12-23 19:23:06 +0000 UTC]

I am actually still struggling a bit. Could you give me some pointers if I showed you the drawing I'm working on? I just feel like I am missing something or doing something wrong. 

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ShockTherapyStables In reply to Velveretta [2014-12-23 22:12:53 +0000 UTC]

Of course, we'd be happy to give you some feedback.

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Velveretta In reply to ShockTherapyStables [2014-12-23 22:35:06 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much. This is what I have so far. I've cropped out the rest of the picture so that I can see the detail a little better. I also haven't added lighting yet.   

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ShockTherapyStables In reply to RedLotusPony [2014-12-12 15:32:23 +0000 UTC]

We have a tutorial about white spotting that is in the works and should hopefully be posted soon

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RedLotusPony In reply to ShockTherapyStables [2014-12-12 17:24:01 +0000 UTC]

Okay, I'll make sure to check it out when it's posted.

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ShockTherapyStables In reply to swaggyFides [2014-12-01 13:45:33 +0000 UTC]

Brushes in photoshop have a setting for "opacity" that controls how dark the stroke looks. 100% opacity is a solid black stroke, while 5% opacity would be very faint. If you layer low-opacity lines you can get some nice painter-like effects

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ShockTherapyStables In reply to Sparrew [2013-12-31 13:45:40 +0000 UTC]

Ah that's actually a typo, it should say "reverse brindle" and not reserved, I need to fix that x) But yes, that is definitely a way brindle can express itself, which is very cool!

Your dog looks to have a fawn coat with heavy blue brindle. I wouldn't quite call her a reverse brindle since those dogs normally only have just a few light bits peeking through ( bostonterrier101.com/wp-conten… this guy is a good example) but your dog is definitely at the darker end of the spectrum. She's a beautiful girl ^^

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Sparrew In reply to ShockTherapyStables [2013-12-31 14:52:26 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for getting back to me -and thanks for the advice, it's helped.  

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ShockTherapyStables In reply to Kuro-Shikoku [2013-09-30 18:27:53 +0000 UTC]

"Sesame" is a breed-specific name for Agouti coloring in Shiba Inus, and Agouti is simply one of the five black markings a dog can have. So if we ever do make a tutorial about black markings (which we probably will, in the future) we would cover it

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Kuro-Shikoku In reply to ShockTherapyStables [2013-09-30 20:13:54 +0000 UTC]

Aww thanks ! I though "sesame" was a name like "roan" for horses... lol

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ShockTherapyStables In reply to samuRAI-same [2013-06-17 22:09:06 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, glad they help

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