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silentwind13 In reply to PatchestheCalico [2012-01-22 13:13:06 +0000 UTC]

I know! But so many people draw him always evil, without even a hint of a good side. Then there's the people that refuse to acknowlege the fact that he had a bad side. They look for reasons to show that he's all good.

YOu need a happy balance, with motives for his actions

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PatchestheCalico In reply to silentwind13 [2012-01-22 16:20:42 +0000 UTC]

Well, he was 'created' simply to be the villain, but Disney made a little bit more without letting us know his past and just why he wanted to be king do badly. We're supposed to just assume "He was born full grown and evil with no reasons why he was that way." but we're given enough scraps of clues to see there was probably a lot more than just that. He definitely had his bad side, but I don't think was ever given the opportunity to have a good one.. Though, if you look in my favorites collections under the commissions I've had done, you'll see what happens if he was given that opportunity.

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silentwind13 In reply to PatchestheCalico [2012-01-22 16:43:24 +0000 UTC]

You say things the way they sound in my head. But they don't sound right when I write them down...Lol

I'm guessing this is your character with Scar... I love seeing what people think of Scar.

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PatchestheCalico In reply to silentwind13 [2012-01-22 17:25:26 +0000 UTC]

It happens. XD Usually there are Scar fans that are at polar opposite ends of the spectrum; they hate him and refuse to listen about anything other than he's evil, and then ones who think he's an angel and didn't do anything bad. By the time we see him in the movie, he didn't care about anything but being king. My guess is he lived in the shadow of Mufasa all his life and was always second best to him finally made him snap. The fact he wanted to be king but was too physically weak to go out on his own to start his own pride didn't help things. Also it's pretty apparent he had no idea what to do once he was king as he did things if Simba as a cub had taken over without any guidance (bossing people around, basically "I am king; I can do.. whatever I want.") I'm pretty sure that when they were little, Mufasa was already going to be king, and either their father only guided/taught Mufasa, or offered to both but Scar was so angry he wasn't going to be king, protested by ignoring their father's lessons and never showed up.

And yes, that's my OC character with Scar in scenes from a story I've written in events after the movie.

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silentwind13 In reply to PatchestheCalico [2012-01-23 17:02:59 +0000 UTC]

I know...I love seeing different peoples views in comics etc. showing what they think turned him into this twisted, evil lion.

Your OC and Scar, the movie? Are you one of those that think he didn't die like everyone assumed?

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PatchestheCalico In reply to silentwind13 [2012-01-23 17:30:37 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, there are some crazy versions of what people think happened though. I think it was lack of attention.

Yeah, all the images I have done are from after the movie. I'd like to think he didn't die, seeing as how Simba had an equal number of hyenas on him too, but Scar was terrified at the end...

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silentwind13 In reply to PatchestheCalico [2012-01-23 17:50:05 +0000 UTC]

See! Thats the kind of thing I like. I always watched TLK and just thourght he died.
The film's is so manipulative. When I went to see it in 3D, it was the first time I had watched it since I had turned to Team Scar. But the film portrays him as such an evil lion that you can't help wanting Simba to win. However much you resist it.
Or maybe because, as a young kid, your mind just roots for whoever is the goodguy, and I was just going to that state of mind I was when I was little.

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PatchestheCalico In reply to silentwind13 [2012-01-23 18:03:23 +0000 UTC]

Well, it's a story, and every story has a bad guy. You can't be showed how the bad guy becomes bad because then you might feel sorry for him and see he's really not the bad guy after all. If you'd react the same as the character in the same situation they were in, then that would be disasterous for a story. But yeah, any story is manipulative. You only see good guys doing good things and bad guys doing bad things, when in real life, that's not the case. That's why that saying "History is written by the winners" rings so true.

But with Scar, I wanted to give him what he needed, and the story I wrote could only work after the first movie. If you're interested I can note you the details.

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silentwind13 In reply to PatchestheCalico [2012-01-23 18:25:49 +0000 UTC]

The note would be interesting. Yes please.
I'm very interested into why you chose an unrealistic, calico lion instead of one of the movie chars, however minor, or made a normal lion up.
And may I ask why she has a scar in the exact same place as he does?

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PatchestheCalico In reply to silentwind13 [2012-01-23 18:41:54 +0000 UTC]

The coloring was just my personal touch on the character, but I don't think it's that unrealistic when there are quite a few "sparkledog" OC characters that violate complementary color rules much worse than Patches does. XD His coloring is sort of a variation of being piebald. In my scraps I have his bio up if you're interested in reading that. It probably answer any questions you have about him. If you read that and aren't scared away, I'll note you.

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silentwind13 In reply to PatchestheCalico [2012-01-23 19:20:58 +0000 UTC]

I ment like, unrealistic, as you don't see lions like that. Not sparkle lions *shudders.*

Interesting bio. It's a bit different, but you believable, unlike some with their: 'And then Scar sproted wings and flew away.' That sort of crazyness is sometimes in these ScarxOC pairings.
And you gave a great explanation for why he had a scar like Scar's. Commitied much!
Maybe you could make it so Scar starts using his old name, Taka, as he finaly has someone he trusts and loves enough to call him his real name. Just an idea. It doesn't matter if you don't like it.

And I'm sorry I called Patches female. I thought he was a strangley coloured lion, so as I didn't see him with a mane, I thought...

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PatchestheCalico In reply to silentwind13 [2012-01-23 19:39:15 +0000 UTC]

I tried to keep his backstory as grounded as possible, even though it's more explanatory and not really important. I've thought of the name change, but I've decided against it; one in it's really not canon and would validate it as such, and two, it's a way for him to not run away from his own past and what he's done under that name. I don't address it in my story but that's my thinking anyhow.

And yeah, Patches is a male. That's why I'd had him as a cougar (maneless) as I was scared initially of creating a Scar-clone character so made him without a mane. I think Scar would have loved anything or one that loved him back and stuck by his side and it was pretty apparent making babies wasn't on the top of his todo list when he became king. XD

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silentwind13 In reply to PatchestheCalico [2012-01-23 21:43:56 +0000 UTC]

Thats a good reason to keep his name the same
I always thought that Scar was a strange name, but never thought what it 'used' to be untill I heard of Taka and the comics. It depends between people whether they're canon or not, doesn't it?

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PatchestheCalico In reply to silentwind13 [2012-01-23 22:35:15 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, well, Disney just wanted a baddie. They really didn't think too hard about why he was a baddie so to them he has no past, just was instantly created at his age and named Scar. XD Problem I have with "Taka" is if you believe that and the one nearly impossible to obtain book where it's mentioned, you have to believe Simba has a son. I'd honestly prefer that, but then you have that whole trainwreck of a movie called TLK II.

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silentwind13 In reply to PatchestheCalico [2012-01-23 22:48:42 +0000 UTC]

Which people then fill with theories that might give an explanation to why Zira was banished.
I'm not saying that I believe the whole 'Zira killed Kopa' thing, but it offers another entertaining theory that has some 'evidence'. Like how 'Fluffy' is definatly male, whats ever the producers say. They're just making excuses so they could make more money out of Lion King by making TLK2. 'Fluffy' is named Kopa, then has all those adventous and others not in the comics, is killed by Zira, who is banished. Kiara is born.
Things sort of match up. But there is no way of knowing...

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PatchestheCalico In reply to silentwind13 [2012-01-23 23:21:03 +0000 UTC]

TLK2 was just made to make money. The whole "Who the hell are all these lionesses and how did we not see them in the first movie" thing is laughable. The writers had a halfway decent story but Disney made them change it. It's no wonder the movie is pretty much disavowed by most fans. XD

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