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Rheneas: "I must not stop between stations. The passengers wouldn't like it."
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I know, can you imagine? Services would have to come to a halt!
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For a moment, I thought it was going to be a 'Home at Last' pun but with Rheneas instead of Skarloey. But I'm beginning to think that it might be Rheneas starting to become a little impatient whilst waiting for Mrs Last.
Either way, it's another brilliant edit as ever ol' chum.
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Yep you got it 
Anyway thanks, always liked this old school photo of Brynglas Station.
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Never knew my ownership of all the Reverend's stories would come in so handy (though, I've not Four Little Engines in a while now). And I never thought our Gallant Old Engine would be much less patient than our Old Faithful when waiting for Mrs Last; but hey, Rheneas would've been young at the time.
You're quite welcome. It is quite a nice little photo actually, kinda makes me want to find the original and save it as my desktop or something like that.
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Aye, she's not exactly famously known to the TTTE community as the show understandably didn't bother to include the flashback sequence but still I thought it would make for a good 'lean years' edit between the opening scene of Gallant Old Engine and Old Faithful. May haps Rhen, the only engine still in service was getting a little fed up with the ongoing situation or perhaps she was especially late today and he could tell that bad weather was on the way
The weed-grown photo is said to be have been taken in the 1920's and this might be true but one of the men in the background looked a dead ringer for Tom Rolt so to make it more Sodoresque I took them both out and pretended everyone else was already waiting inside the coaches, while Ivo took the opportunity to top up Gallant's lubrication.
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Yeah, I can understand why the TV series wouldn't have been particularly bothered with putting her in the fourth series given that they, basically, mashed together 'Skarloey Remembers' and 'Old Faithful' to create the one episode and then took the title of the book for the episode name. So they probably saw the Mrs Last event as just a dud plot-point.
Ah, I see. So the two were, basically, taken out on the basis that neither were ever seen on Sodor let alone in the company of Rheneas; is that what I'm to get from it?
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Yeah, along with Edward the whole first chapter is just about setting things up, which fine in itself as Awdry was easing the audience to a totally different railway but it would of made something of a boring episode in terms of pacing, especially as we had already been introduced to Falcon and Stuart in the prior eps. It would be a nice wink if they could casually include her in a future episode but it's hardly a pressing issue. A two parter like they did with the Christmas Carol, but with Very Old Engines would be a better IMO, as the pacing could work wonderfully over that of a Special Feature that couldn't include Thomas!!!!!
It's not so much that per say but I usually try and choose photos that do not allude to their real location, which is why I don't use any from say the bottom or top stations of the TR's network, as the SR equivalents are quite different, while Cros-ny-Cuirn and Brynglas were pretty much identical in their older forms.
Basically the problem I had was that I'm sure the tall bloke is Tom Rolt which would place the photo a lot later than 1920, but even if it's not him it just looks so much like him it sort of spoils the genericness of the scene (I know not everyone knows what he looks like but he's definitely one of the most famous people from TR history). I could of perhaps kept the other guy in it but didn't feel it was necessary once I decided to go with Mrs Last element. If he was the guard though I would of kept him.
One other issue I have whenever editing Rheneas is that he only had four masks made in the 4th season and out of those the 'cramp' one was only used in one blurry shot and likewise the worried one is also difficult to use, as it wasn't used much either. This really limits what I can directly transfer into my edits without things becoming repetitive, hence why the 'determined' face above has been altered. I know he has a lot more in the wider gauge seasons but I strongly dislike the guppy redesigns and the CGI era is just as bad as far as I'm concerned.
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Yeah, and because of the introductions of Peter Sam and Sir Handel (Stuart and Falcon back then obviously) they didn't even need, as you said, to introduce them in the show as Awdry had done in his book. IMO, I think that Mitton and Allcroft could have changed up the beginning of the fourth series only slightly by bringing in a small bit of the slow-paced introductions in 'Skarloey Remembers' and thus making 'Four Little Engines' the first ep of the series as they do kinda just jump straight into the introduction of the SKR and MSR with only a bit of intro into the MSR-based eps from a story told by Thomas told to him by his driver. And I, too, think Very Old Engines could work as a two-part special; if they did do it then, hopefully, they won't shoe-horn Thomas into it like they do with pretty much every episode and special they do these days.
Ah, right-o, I see what you were wanting to go for in the edit now. Yeah, I think just having the one bloke on the platform without Tom Rolt's presence might have made the scene look a wee bit peculiar, and hence the Mrs Last situation you went for in this.
It's really amazing how many things were present (or otherwise) in the classic series as a result of the low budget they had to work with at the time; things like, indeed, Rheneas' small amount of faces, Terence's single face, Smudger being a repainted Rheneas, etc. As for his large-scale faces, I'm not sure about you, but I feel like there's a few of them that wouldn't look out of place on Skarloey; and, of course, the CGI faces appear to be rendered to emulate the large-scale faces.
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It was fine on my old vid if I recall but on the S4 DVD the ordering is a little bit off with the introduction to the SR. Still though I take your point as it wasn't necessary for Sleeping Beauty to be inserted before Falcon and Stuart appeared on the SR to greet him (and then never properly see him again 
Yeah, even the most Thomas devoted maniac would be be surprised to see him in a Very Old Engines special. I suppose it could be done by Skarloey telling him the story in place of Nancy & company or something but hopefully given enough time it will finally get adapted and we might even see Neil!
Aye I suppose that's true. While it's a little weird when some of the sets got re-used for different locations (I think Tidmouth/Knapford station appearing twice in Double Header takes the prize) I certainly can't really hold it against the production crew as they did amazing job back in the day, plus G1 scale is bloody HUGE to work in so its amazing that they managed to build so many studio sets as efficiently as they did.
I suppose, it can actually be fun/interesting doing face swaps, I had started doing a Gordon conversion for Henry (I) a while back and as it still stands it does look queer
I think Duncan more or less transferred over intact but I genuinely dislike all other SR's season 5 onwards faces so in someways it's a good thing that Duke didn't get anymore eps, as hopefully he will look more like his model self when the time comes. Mostly i'm not a fan of the CGI stylings, as the original model ones just looked better but some are certainly better than others, Millie for example.
I think i'm just ranting now but I did mange to make another edit of Rhen's face in order to try and match the smile Kenny gave him, not sure how many more S4 permutations I can really muster for him though......
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Yeah, I've got the same error on my S4 DVD where 'Home at Last' and 'Rock 'n' Roll' have been swapped around for idk what reason; that's why, whenever I've watched it (and I've not watched it in a while actually) I've always played them in their production order if you will, even though those two along with Special Funnel were broadcast on the 7th of November, 1994.
Well, given that they've adapted the remaining stories from Small Railway Engines, it must mean that they're beginning to run out of original ideas and are turning, now, to Awdry material. Yeah, it'd be quite a surprise if we saw Neil in CGI after only ever seeing him in two illustrations with just that one-liner he got.
That's true, I mean it's all well and good making G1 sized sets for the show as it'll make for relatively easy-to-build props, layouts, engines and rolling stock and give the production team a good surface area to work with; but, in the long run, it means that they'll have to dismantle or re-hash existing sets so that they don't have to resort to hiring out...idk, an aircraft hanger like the Top Gear studios or something in order to fit more of the sets in. That and they'd have to worry about all sorts of things with the G1 models like small parts, the efficiency of the motor and mechanisms. And heck, one day, I might actually get two Gordon models and perhaps convert one of them to create Henry I myself, but I digress.
As for the faces, I think that the CG faces of the SR engines are mostly based upon their large-scale model faces seen from around the 5th series and onwards. So no doubt that, if Duke were to come back to CGI one day, they'd probably look towards his large-scale faces from the 4th series as well as get measurements from the England class engines as they did when rendering the other SR engines in CG. Now I think I'm getting carried away myself.
I'll certainly have a look at the recent edit you did for Rhen's face.
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It's weird, I know this is a Rhen mask and not taken from a scene where there had been a mix up but after editing it it does look a little peculiar, almost like Duke and Falcon had a son
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