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This is the world in a universe that diverged from our own in the year 876, with the death of Huang Cho during his rebellion before he could kill one hundred thousand rich Muslims in southern China. Without their deaths, Islam continued to grow in China during the centuries, especially among the rich merchant classes. Eventually, after a brutal series of civil wars, an Islamic dynasty came to power in Hangchow, and would rule China from the late 15th century until the current year, 1894. While most of China still practices Buddhism, Confucianism, and other religions, the Islamic rulers have adapted themselves to Chinese culture and customs well enough that they are accepted as rulers of China, much like the Manchu of our own world. Muslim Chinese are a growing minority group, however, especially as many of the rich at least pay tribute to being Muslim, if only for the sake of political power.

In Europe and the rest of Asia, history took a very different turn. The lack of Mongols and an earlier plague that, while very deadly, also helped curb feudalism changed the political and social makeup of the entire world. In Europe, Francia fractured even further than in our world, with Middle and East Francia eventually forming Holy Germnia under the influence of the Pope in Rome, while West Francia was fractured into many different, smaller states. Eventually, the Normans of northern Francia were able to unite all of West Francia under them into a shaky, fractured state resembling less our world's France and more Austria-Hungary, with the king in Rouen having far less power and influence than he would like.

Without a successful Norman invasion of England, the Anglo-Saxons remained dominant in the British Isles, forming the Kingdom of Great Britain hundreds of years later with a peaceful uniting of Scotland, England, Wales, and the various Irish states. To this day the kingdom is less united than our world's Great Britain, with significant autonomy for all states within. This is partially due to Catholicism, albeit a different brand of it, still dominating the Isles. Their primary rivals in Europe is the technocratic, autocratic Holy Germanian Empire, a federalized version of the nation with the same name that stood since the fall of the Frankish Empire. After the German Unification Wars in which a powerful German state with its capital in Worms united all the Germans, the empire rose to become the single most powerful nation in Western and Central Europe. Even Britain, with her federated colonies such as the United Kingdoms of Arcadia cannot directly threaten Germania one-on-one without possibly facing a complete loss. The Germanians have industrial might the likes of which the world has never seen before, and it has left Britain very afraid.

However, the British are not without allies. Hispania, a state formed by a more peaceful reconquinista and resembling a cross between our world's Spain and Caliphate of Cordoba, is one of the other primary colonial powers, and h as even taken a large bite out of the Indian subcontinent. They were also responsible for opening up Japan to the world much earlier, and have made the Japanese into a powerful, industrialized ally. The Eastern Roman Empire, still going after nearly 2000 years, has drifted into Britain's system of alliances as well. The Romans were once the masters of the Mediterranean, but constant war with the Turks, who had been forced from Central Asia by the Kazakhs and driven across the Middle East by a stronger Persia and Caliphate, left them with only the western coast of Anatolia and the southern third of Italy, plus their various holdings in the Balkans. They are no longer even close to the military power they once were, but are no slouch when it comes to science and technology, and have created many wonders of modern science throughout the ages, with Constantinople a constant attraction for the world's greatest minds.

The strongest ally to Britain, and the enemy Germania fears the most, actually lies to the east. Ruthenia, built out of the ashes of the Kievan Rus. Standing on the same principles as the old state, Ruthenia aggressively expanded throughout the centuries until it encompassed much of the world, and was able to extend its power from the Black Sea to the Sea of Japan. Though a recent civil war and war with Germania set the Ruthenians back, the government in Kiev has steered its country toward greatness, and in 1894 Ruthenia stands on the brink of becoming a superpower. Science, technology, industry, education, and the arts flow out of Ruthenia, particularly Kiev, at a rate which astonishes the rest of the world, and the state has eyes on assuming Germania's current number one spot in Europe.

This is something that Germania is determined not to let happen. As depicted on the map printed in London, Germania has been hard at work in recent years surrounding Ruthenia with enemies. Allying themselves with the rapidly-growing power of China, Germania seeks to cut down Ruthenia before the nation can reach superpower status and be almost indestructible. Alliances have also been proposed with the Rajput Empire, a regional power, Persia, an old enemy of Ruthenia, and the Caliphate, an oil-rich nation bent on returning itself to its past glory. Combined with Germania's puppets of Avaria, Bulgaria, and Poland, it might be enough to tip the balance of power in Worms' favor and plunge the world into autocratic Germanian rule.

On December 11, 1894, the world is still a pleasant place, but feels itself on the brink. With technology akin to what our world attained in the mid-20th century, and with other technologies not seen on our Earth, the world is richer and more abundant with wealth and power than we have known. Men and women can work for honest wages and live in large apartments or penthouses in the grand cities that dot the landscape of the Old World. With Christmas two weeks away at the time of the printing, Catholic Europe has settled into a happy routine of visiting friends and family, exchanging gifts, and eating to their hearts content. Yet, at the same time, the shadow of war hangs over Europe and Asia, and threatens to plunge the planet into darkness. The question on the hearts and minds of the people is not whether there will be war, but rather who will win when the "Grand War" finally comes?
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Comments: 71

jflaxman [2018-06-04 22:07:46 +0000 UTC]

That's some fascinating speculative/alternative history! I admire your research as well as the fact you've covered so much of Eurasia and so many "what if?" turning points. I was going to ask about the fate of the Italian city states which played such an important part in our own world's Renaissance, but I see it's been covered in comments below. You've created a very interesting and believable alternative world!

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subspaceteatime In reply to jflaxman [2018-06-12 20:41:58 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much, I am glad you approve of the world. This was one o the ones I think I poured the most research and thinking into and I am glad it seems to have showed. Cheers. Β 

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EricVonSchweetz [2016-08-09 12:22:36 +0000 UTC]

What is this for language?

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subspaceteatime In reply to EricVonSchweetz [2016-08-09 14:54:09 +0000 UTC]

It's a modified version of Old English to try to simulate a "modern" version of Anglo-Saxon English without the French influence of the Normans. A linguist friend of mine helped me with it.

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EricVonSchweetz In reply to subspaceteatime [2016-08-10 10:04:05 +0000 UTC]

Great!

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BadgingBadger [2016-06-05 20:04:41 +0000 UTC]

1. Was Germania unified by Lotharingia?
2. Is Ruthenia a constitutional monarchy already?
3. What does the name "United Kingdoms of Acadia" mean? Is the country a confederation of monarchies like the HRE? Is it a federal constitutional monarchy? Is it an union of modernized and ridiculously successful indian kingdoms?
4. What is the situation and history of crhistians in Hispania? Was the reconquista reverted in some way?
5. By how many years is technology ahead in this world? 50? 60?

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subspaceteatime In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-06-05 22:06:59 +0000 UTC]

1. Well, an equivalent Rhenish state, but yes more or less.
2. Not that much, really. More a somewhat federalized monarchy that gives limited powers to various councils and offices but isn't all that constitutional.
3. It's a confederation of various monarchies, most of which were founded by Europeans and later broke free or were let free and a few native kingdoms that managed to modernize. So a little bit of both.
4. The reconquista was slower, not as brutal, and a bit more accommodating to those in the south, and ultimately solidified by moving the capital to Cordoba and making it into a single, powerful kingdom.
5. Roughly 40-50 years.

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BadgingBadger In reply to subspaceteatime [2016-06-05 22:51:25 +0000 UTC]

cool!
1. What happened to the italian merchant republics like venice and genoa? Why were they swallowed by germania?
2. Is the caliphate of baghdad shia or sunni? If they're sunni, then are they an elective shura-driven theocratic monarchy?
3. Is rajput muslim, hindu, or buddhist? This could have interesting effects within hispanic india.
4. Has there ever been, in this world, a "protestant" reformation or something similar within christendom?

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subspaceteatime In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-06-05 23:34:28 +0000 UTC]

1. They didn't last long once Germania figured out how to do mass conscription of its many peasant soldiers and swallowed them right up. Venice didn't do very well but Genoa did manage to last a while before it too lost out.
2. Sunni due to different history in the Middle East and yes, they are and quite a powerful one at that.
3. Yes. By that I mean it's quite a diverse place with many religions, though the ruling powers are Hindu and quite fervent about it, after centuries of Muslims coming in and invading them.
4. There have been some major reformations of the Catholic Church, but nothing so radical.

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BadgingBadger In reply to subspaceteatime [2016-06-24 21:41:43 +0000 UTC]

What is the government structure of germania?

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subspaceteatime In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-06-24 22:04:38 +0000 UTC]

Generally, the Emperor has almost Czar-like power (think Nicholas II) while there is a small advistory council below him generally called the Reichstag (Imperial Diet) that is essentially a council of nobles who advise him on matters but can't do much more than that. On the lower level there are some elected officials, such as those in city councils, mayors (Burgermeisters), and so on who compete with Junkers for power. In general, though, the Emperor has most of the power but competes with noble families for power and always seeks out the Pope's blessing, which the current Emperor has but has not been officially anointed by the Pope yet, which troubles him.

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BadgingBadger In reply to subspaceteatime [2016-06-24 23:02:03 +0000 UTC]

So, it's basically a constitutional monarchy where the constitution is the fear of angering the nobles and industrial masters.
Are there any liberal, democratic republics in this TL or is this world more politically conservative?

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subspaceteatime In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-06-24 23:37:37 +0000 UTC]

Much of the new world are democratic constitutional monarchies as is Normandy, Hispania, and Great Britain, but no there aren't really any liberal, democratic republics that we can compare to our own world. So, yes, a little more conservative.

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BadgingBadger In reply to subspaceteatime [2016-10-01 18:47:29 +0000 UTC]

One more question,
What sect of Islam does China's aristocracy follow here? And what's their governing doctrine, do they still utilise the concept of Heaven's Mandate?

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subspaceteatime In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-10-09 20:59:29 +0000 UTC]

They are Sunni Muslims though follow a very Sinicized sect of it, to the point that there is a great amount of contention with those Sunni of the Caliphate and those of China. They reluctantly let the Chinese have the titles and rights of Sunni since they are the largest Muslim power, but it's a very reluctant feeling. They don't utilize the concept of Heaven's Mandate but they do have something similar to the "Divine Right of Kings" that popped up in our world's Europe.

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BadgingBadger In reply to subspaceteatime [2016-10-09 21:34:55 +0000 UTC]

Interesting.
How "autonomous" is Manchuria? Did someone like Nurhaci still rise to power here or were the Jurchen people slowly sinicized, their land also colonised by chinese settlers?
Also, what about the Byzantine Empire? Are they a constitutional monarchy already? If so, is their parliament called the Senate or something greco-roman like that?
Is Piedmont culturally closer to France or Italy?

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subspaceteatime In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-10-12 06:00:02 +0000 UTC]

The Manchurians were mostly various tribes like the Jurchen, some Mongolians, and various other tribes who formed a couple threatening dynasties but were never able to fully threaten the Chinese. Starting in the 1500s Han Chinese began to push northward and essentially colonize the area while Sinicizing everyone in Manchuria. While the area is rather Han Chinese, it is still rated as an autonomous province due to vast differences in culture, politics, and economics (due to oil among other things). The autonomy only means that they have their own government that gets representatives in the main Chinese government. Similar to Scotland in the modern UK.

The Byzantine Empire is a constitutional monarchy, but the Emperor still has most of the power. Similar to the German Empire from 1871-1916. They call their legislative body the Senate because, well, in their eyes they still are the Roman Empire and thus the Senate is the Senate; the same Senate that's been around for thousands of years.

Piedmont is kind of in-between, but in general it's rather closer to Italy than Normandy/France. Due to Normans ruling France, a lot of French culture, particularly in the north, is far more Germanic than in our world, leaving southern France and Piedmont, as well as Catalonia, more Italicized and culturally closer to Italy without a firm French Latin culture since French culture is rather Germanic here.

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BadgingBadger In reply to subspaceteatime [2016-10-12 06:13:27 +0000 UTC]

That's pretty elaborate, I love the little attention to detail that got put to this scenario despite it looking like a standard balls-to-the-wall fantasy alternate history scenario on first inspection. It gives it such an unique flavour, and i hope you develop more content for this scenario in the future if you can.
Thanks!

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subspaceteatime In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-10-12 06:50:20 +0000 UTC]

No problem! I do like your comments, and it's fun to get into more detail over this stuff; I'm just joking when I said only one more, haha. And I'm glad you appreciate it. Much of this stuff comes from making the scenario more and more detailed as I work on it. Since a lot of the time it can take weeks to finish one I get lots of time to flesh it out.

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subspaceteatime In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-10-10 16:41:40 +0000 UTC]

I thought you said it was one last question.

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BadgingBadger In reply to subspaceteatime [2016-10-10 20:08:31 +0000 UTC]

The reply train never ends!
okay, i promise, these be the last.

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BadgingBadger In reply to subspaceteatime [2016-07-24 00:55:10 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the info!
one more thing- do you have a higher res version of the map with the alternate english language?

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subspaceteatime In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-07-24 19:36:57 +0000 UTC]

The version that you can download on deviantart is the highest resolution there is.

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BadgingBadger In reply to subspaceteatime [2016-07-24 21:54:12 +0000 UTC]

Damn

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InfernoMole [2016-01-15 10:54:10 +0000 UTC]

Cool. I hope Ruthenia wins in the war.

If Holy Roman Empire is an ancient autocracy, then what is Ruthenia like? Is it more democratic than Germania?

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YNot1989 [2015-12-12 02:01:47 +0000 UTC]

This map looks familiar, what was it originally based on?

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subspaceteatime In reply to YNot1989 [2015-12-12 02:12:21 +0000 UTC]

This map:Β www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servl…

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jczart [2015-12-04 18:36:16 +0000 UTC]

This made me smile a lot.

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subspaceteatime In reply to jczart [2015-12-04 18:45:50 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! It's definitely one of my favorites of the maps I've done.

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BadgingBadger [2015-09-19 01:52:09 +0000 UTC]

Holy shit- i've read your PDF prologue for your "book" based on this scenario and, needless to say, I'm shivering with anticipation now! Great work!
i'd also like to see what the rest of this world looks like...

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igortovstogan [2014-12-26 11:08:21 +0000 UTC]

on these maps do not Ukraine, it is unpleasant

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subspaceteatime In reply to igortovstogan [2014-12-26 11:10:27 +0000 UTC]

If you mean it's bad there isn't Ukraine, well, in this world "Russia" is Ruthenia, which here expanded out of the Kievan Rus'. I mean, Kiev is the capital, even.

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igortovstogan In reply to subspaceteatime [2014-12-26 11:24:30 +0000 UTC]

I'm not talking specifically about this map. Russia in every way trying to prove that we (Ukraine and Kiev Rus) never existed in history. I wish that one day you have a map appeared devoted to this topic.

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subspaceteatime In reply to igortovstogan [2014-12-26 11:26:23 +0000 UTC]

Well, I guess I can try that. It's just that this kind of was my map that supported Ukraine/Kievan Rus', since it's a reversal of history, where Kiev takes over Russia instead of the other way around.

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igortovstogan In reply to subspaceteatime [2014-12-26 11:33:20 +0000 UTC]

I'll wait for the card where it will be my homeland

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derp5578978new [2014-12-16 22:45:00 +0000 UTC]

The best!Impressive.

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Arminius1871 [2014-11-02 19:27:20 +0000 UTC]

Definitly one of the greatest maps and scenarios IΒ΄ve seen so far on DA, really great man!
The alternate English is so interesting, IΒ΄d wish itΒ΄s real now XD

Please do more!!

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Rarayn [2014-10-30 23:01:50 +0000 UTC]

Fantastic work. One of the best AH maps I have seen in a very long time, with an interesting scenario behind it to boot.

I do have one issue with it though, albeit a minor one. Nepal and Bhutan's colour is very similar to the one you have used for bodies of water. While their outline is different, distinguishing them from bodies of water, it still sort of makes them look like bodies of water at first glance. Might be worth picking a different colour for them.

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King-Van [2014-10-30 05:10:06 +0000 UTC]

How did you make the doted lines inΒ Inkscape?
PS: Great map!Β 

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subspaceteatime In reply to King-Van [2014-10-30 05:11:28 +0000 UTC]

When you draw lines, you can change their properties to set them to dots, dashes, and other stuff, like the arrowed lines on the map.

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King-Van In reply to subspaceteatime [2014-10-30 05:33:40 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, nowΒ I can give my maps some variety!

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subspaceteatime In reply to King-Van [2014-10-30 05:35:51 +0000 UTC]

Good luck, and let me know if you have any more questions! Also, I'm totally jealous of your awesome logos and banners.

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King-Van In reply to subspaceteatime [2014-10-30 06:11:43 +0000 UTC]

Hey now, your map are of high quality.
Speaking of maps can I get an opinion on this one I'm working on: sta.sh/02aw3mw0nlm3

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mdc01957 [2014-10-30 00:37:13 +0000 UTC]

Incredible work as always! I also liked the added touch of Alternate!English.

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Appetitive-Soul In reply to mdc01957 [2017-08-13 15:59:34 +0000 UTC]

Its not alternate English. Its Old English. While English would be very different without the Norman Conquest, it certainly wouldn't be unchanged for a thousand years.

Its actually clever to print it in Old English, but it just shows the limitation of this kind of activity. To actually present a realistic English language in this situation would be a lifetime of work by itself.

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bruiser128 [2014-10-30 00:34:47 +0000 UTC]

Β ...My request created THIS!!!
THAAAK YOUUUUU!!!!^^Β Β Β Β 

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Jdailey1991 [2014-10-29 21:42:03 +0000 UTC]

You know, I've written a similar scenario to this.

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subspaceteatime In reply to Jdailey1991 [2014-10-29 21:45:32 +0000 UTC]

Link please.

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Jdailey1991 In reply to subspaceteatime [2014-10-29 22:22:44 +0000 UTC]

No link, sorry.Β  But I can give you the nutshell.

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subspaceteatime In reply to Jdailey1991 [2014-10-29 22:26:02 +0000 UTC]

Go for it!

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