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ThalassoAtrox β€” Miocene Saber-Tooths

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Published: 2017-09-10 14:16:45 +0000 UTC; Views: 9732; Favourites: 126; Downloads: 23
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As I mentioned before I find North America`s fauna from the Tortonian-Messinian stage of the Miocene (10-5 mya) to be one of the most underrated fossil ecosystems from the Cenozoic, given it's numerous and diverse wildlife and how this ecosystem was just as much of an American Serengeti as late Pleistocene America, perhaps even more so given how this one had it's own giraffe and rhino expies in the form of the camel Aepycamelus and the rhinoceros Teleoceras.

One interesting aspect of this ecosystem is how it housed 2 types of big cats, both with saber teeth, but with entirely independent evolutionary heritages.

One was Barbourofelis fricki the last and the largest of the barbourofelids, the most basal of cats who shared a close common ancestor with Felidae, which grew up to 180-250 kg in weight and basically predated all of the distinct traits you would see in the latter Smilodon, including the bear-like build and brutish hunting technique as well as the ridiculously long canines that were used much the same way as Smilodon`s, to cut trough the prey animals windpipe.

The other one was even more massive, Amphimachairodus coloradensis was a machairodont, the more famous and classical group of "saber-toothed cats, and it grew into the vicinity of 280-330 kg, as big as the largest known tigers. In contrast to Barbourofelis this felines saber teeth were much smaller, but also much less delicate and therefore had a smaller risk of breakage when the cat attacked and subdued it's prey and it also allowed it to be far less specialized and picky with it's choice of prey.

Both cats would have coexisted with each other, competing for the same prey and the same hunting grounds across the forests and woodlands of Miocene America, and occasional clashes were likely inevitable, but they also represented an interesting scenario where 2 very similar apex predators coexisted and yet their similarities were a case of convergent evolution, the result of 2 independent liniages of saber-toothed felines.

Other animals included : Aepycamelus, Synthetoceras, Teleocera, Alligator and Ambelodon.

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AuraTerrorbird [2022-11-19 21:05:02 +0000 UTC]

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Tigerstar82 [2018-11-24 05:42:19 +0000 UTC]

So WDGHK, which of these Miocene Sabertooth cats would win in your opinion?Β  My money's on Amphimachairodus.

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ThalassoAtrox In reply to Tigerstar82 [2018-11-24 09:36:06 +0000 UTC]

Kid, that kind of disscusion is beneath me. I`m interested in paleontology and natural science in general, not trivial death matches. Β 

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Depi66 In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2019-07-03 00:53:16 +0000 UTC]

Dude, they kinda look like leopards or jaguar, but I prefer making Barbourofelis like a cheetah and Amphimachairodus like a unique pattern of stripes

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ThalassoAtrox In reply to Depi66 [2019-07-03 10:30:45 +0000 UTC]

Because rosettes are the basal coat pattern for cats. And why? Tigers are completely unrelated to saber-toothed cats, and in terms of anatomy and lifestyle a cheetah is the complete opposite of Barbourofelis, a jaguar is the best match for comparison to Barbourofelis when it comes to modern felines.Β 

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Depi66 In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2019-07-04 01:47:02 +0000 UTC]

I wouldn't mind combining different browns,Β  to make them blend wih grass or clay

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Depi66 In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2019-07-04 01:35:01 +0000 UTC]

To me, the clouded leopard is the cat I use for Smilodon

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Tigerstar82 In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2018-11-24 23:31:16 +0000 UTC]

Okay then. Which species won out in the end? From a survival standpoint? Did Amphimachairodus outcompete Barbourofelis? Or did Barbourofelis die out because it was simply not intelligent enough to adapt? I saw this documentary called Mega Predators by Discovery and they implied that that was why Barbourofelis, the last and largest of its kind, went extinct. What say you?

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aelurodon [2017-10-29 01:08:29 +0000 UTC]

The Late Miocene is my favorite geologic time period.

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PCAwesomeness [2017-09-13 02:23:55 +0000 UTC]

"Why so serious?"

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ThatCoelurosaur [2017-09-11 13:30:42 +0000 UTC]

Nice work

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Wildgirl2000 [2017-09-10 17:05:12 +0000 UTC]

I heard that Barbourofelids were often referred to as "false sabre-toothed cats".

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ThalassoAtrox In reply to Wildgirl2000 [2017-09-10 17:44:52 +0000 UTC]

Outdated notion.Β Historically barbourofelids were classified as nimravids who split from the cat-hyena-mongoose-civet lineage early on and evolved their many cat like features independently via convergent evolution. However newer studies showed that not only were barbourofelids their own family but that they were also closely related to the true cats, the 2 sharing a common ancestor. In other words Barbourofelis was about as close to a true cat as you can get without being part of the Felidae family.

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Depi66 In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2019-07-04 01:48:28 +0000 UTC]

They're saber shaped teeth are actually quite fragile and this means they can break them in side to side movement, there strong in up and down motion, but contrary to looks this teeth can break if touching bones, bro

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Wildgirl2000 In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2017-09-11 02:48:06 +0000 UTC]

Okay. Well, anyway, awesome drawing.

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KallyToonsS [2017-09-10 14:23:47 +0000 UTC]

Two sabers. who would win?

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Flameal15k In reply to KallyToonsS [2017-09-10 14:27:12 +0000 UTC]

Why would they fight?

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KallyToonsS In reply to Flameal15k [2017-09-10 22:42:25 +0000 UTC]

Because

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MoArtProductions In reply to Flameal15k [2017-09-10 16:43:59 +0000 UTC]

Territory, food resources, or breeding competition should either threaten their offspring.

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Flameal15k In reply to MoArtProductions [2017-09-11 22:14:30 +0000 UTC]

Fair enough.

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