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Finkenwalde [2016-11-10 18:26:18 +0000 UTC]
All the USA needs to do is get the hell out of the Middle East and remove all influence from foreign countries. I don't want Americans in my own country, provoking Russia and it's allies on the European borders. The only reason I wanted Trump to be in the White House was because he was ready to co-operate with Russia on the Syrian crisis while Hillary would probably initiate a nuclear war with Russia and use my country as a battlefield. Trump also openly criticised US foreign policy and NATO.
Instead of just thinking about Americans, perhaps think about those who the USA murdered in the name of "democracy" around the world (the number is rising above 20 million now) and the ones who lost their homes because the USA decided to bomb a country's infrastructure which took generations to build. And let's not forget the amount of terrorists armed to the teeth by the USA who kill civilians on a daily basis and treat women like trash.
And the whole world isn't with you - not when the USA had invaded so many countries, killed so many innocent people and unleashed groups of terrorists armed with US weapons onto a perfectly safe and stable country who then murdered their leader in cold blood. These people cried because they lost their loved ones, but no one asked them "what can we do to help?" and they've been living in horrible conditions, in war zones for the past few years.
"Proud to be American", pfft.
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thebalefulprimal In reply to Finkenwalde [2016-11-10 18:50:01 +0000 UTC]
I guess I should clarify this as well, too. I do not, have not,
and never will support all the harm and lives ended that have been
the fault of the US. They should not be in foreign countries,
they should be staying on the home front and, if need be, assist
when asked. Not showing up and saying, "Well you needed us so
here we are!"
Unfortunately, this letter is about Americans, not other countries,
because this was their election. Not Canada, not the UK, not
Russia's, etc. This was their election with their candidate that has
scared the very citizens that live and die in their own country.
I am not discarding the fact that what you have said is true, because
it is, but this was not the topic at hand. It's like as if I wrote about how
the sky is so amazing, and someone came in and said "Yeah but my yacht
is sinking right now, and I don't know why you're not talking about that!"
There around people globally who are standing with those who are frightened
that they might die because of their faith, their skin colour, their sexual orientation,
or simply how they dress. I have no idea why you brought this up, since it's
a very different topic, in my eyes.
And yes, why not be proud to be American? Or Canadian? Or British?
Why not be proud of your country, regardless of what is (somewhat) out of
your hands? Syria is in all out civil war, and has been going on since
March 2011, Egypt toppled a corrupt politician - you think those people would
fight for their country if they weren't proud? Who are you to scoff at someone
if they are proud of their country? I'm sorry if you disagree with my extension
of friendship, which everyone is entitled to, but your points seem out of place
with the idea here.
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Finkenwalde In reply to thebalefulprimal [2016-11-10 19:08:05 +0000 UTC]
I'm writing in the context that Trump will sort out the US foreign policy and will change the way US is looked upon by most of the world. The US elections do not only affect Americans, but also countries who are prone to the US foreign policy - which, might I add, would be a lot worse under Hillary Clinton as she wanted a huge increase in military interventions across the world. The US elections also affected your said countries; Russia, UK etc. Russia is actually happy that Trump won, because it finally means a long-awaited restoration of US-Russian relations.
Ah, but the Syrian people are proud of their country and were very happy until the USA started unleashing "rebel" groups (actual terrorists trained by the CIA) onto a peaceful nation. The civil war you say? One side is the democratically elected government of Assad while the other are "moderate rebels" armed by the USA and its allies. The Arab Spring which set off uprisings in the Middle East? Coordinated by the US and its allies to further destablise the Middle East.
I'm not scoffing at someone who is proud of their country - I am scoffing at Americans who, despite all the atrocities committed by America, still are proud of it. I am not proud of my country at all, despite the fact that the atrocities they committed are minuscule compared to the atrocities committed by the USA.
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Danubium In reply to McJohnson-88 [2016-11-10 19:42:22 +0000 UTC]
Clinton made some stupid mistakes, but in context they seem almost frivolous compared to the things Donald Trump does every day of his life, on purpose, as a matter of policy and a perfect expression of everything he stands for.
I guess orchestrating the destruction of entire Arab nations can't be as bad as saying impolite things, now, can it?
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GodDragonKing [2016-11-10 17:37:43 +0000 UTC]
Thanks. We forget easily how good we have it.
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ksteele [2016-11-10 17:36:27 +0000 UTC]
Like a lot of my countrymen, I woke up yesterday morning sick at heart. During the past eight years Donald Trump repeatedly exposed himself as a racist, misogynist, xenophobic, homo- and trans-phobic, small-minded whack job with absolutely no experience in government, whose only talent seems to be screaming "You're fired!" at people on reality TV programs, and shouting down anyone who disagrees with him. In spite of all that, enough of us voted for him (or couldn't be bothered to vote AGAINST him) to put Trump at the helm of our ship of state for the next four years.
Given that Trump will surely name at least one and probably more justices to the Supreme Court, we can expect the stench of his tenure to last far beyond his first term in office. For starters, we can anticipate a rollback of all the progress women and sexual minorities have made in the past two decades. We can expect our relationships with allies around the world to deteriorate, and God only knows what our enemies will make of our blunder. I appreciate your compassionate message and, for ALL our sakes, genuinely hope you're right, but at the moment the shock and disillusionment are still too fresh.
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Danubium In reply to ksteele [2016-11-10 19:51:48 +0000 UTC]
Don't use your persecution complex as evidence against other people.
It makes you look unhinged.
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thebalefulprimal In reply to ksteele [2016-11-10 17:40:15 +0000 UTC]
As long as you keep somewhere in the back of your
mind that your country is still amazing, regardless of who
pilots the White House seat, it's a start.
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SuperBird43 [2016-11-10 17:34:56 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for this post, I could not have put it better myself. I also have friends down south that I'm utterly terrified for, and being up here it feels like there isn't much I can do to help, except for providing emotional support.
...Well, that and fight this thing when someone tries to import it up here, 'cause you just know that's gonna happen very soon.
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thebalefulprimal In reply to SuperBird43 [2016-11-10 17:41:15 +0000 UTC]
I have friends in Florida & Texas, and I just kind of
want to adopt them all as my family. It's really scary.
Oh lord, don't jinx it please, lol.
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kirah1234 [2016-11-10 17:33:15 +0000 UTC]
this was deeply inspiring, thank you so much. I've spent the last 24 hours in fear but now i feel so much better thinking about this.
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thebalefulprimal In reply to kirah1234 [2016-11-10 17:41:59 +0000 UTC]
Keep your heart proud, who sits in the White House
is not indicative of how wonderful the US of A is.
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Lena-ru5 [2016-11-10 17:17:49 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for your kindness and support
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ShadowRaven2006 [2016-11-10 16:36:00 +0000 UTC]
As both a fellow Canadian, and a man who will ever stand against hate, I salute you. Thank you for this. It is much needed at a time like this.
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dobergirl102 [2016-11-10 16:24:47 +0000 UTC]
Thank you so much. That was beautiful.
I'm so sorry for all of this. So many of us tried, we really did. Now all we can do is try and weather the coming storm, and to mitigate the damage as much as possible. There are dark days ahead, and it means everything that people like you exist in this world.
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thebalefulprimal In reply to dobergirl102 [2016-11-10 17:43:24 +0000 UTC]
It is literally not your fault, and you have nothing
to be sorry for. Who sits in the White House doesn't dictate
how amazing the USA is, or you, and don't forget that.
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Lumundigirl564 [2016-11-10 15:42:25 +0000 UTC]
Brought me to tears. I thank you so much. I feel so alone in my small town, being that I'm a woman, a pansexual, a non-Christian, a person of color. I thank people like you so much for giving those of us the ray of hope we can't seem to find on our own. Thank you.
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abellius In reply to taurus-comix [2016-11-10 19:39:21 +0000 UTC]
I find it interesting that before Trump ran for office. No one in the world labelled him a racist, sexist, homophobe, etc. Maybe an arrogant loudmouth, but nothing more. Then, when he runs for president and wins, he is the anti-Christ incarnated!! Amazing how people delude themselves!
I think people need to start thinking with their noggins again with some critical thinking on the side instead of letting their emotions run amuck causing them to act irrational and stupid!
"...they will only exchange sad condolences amongst themselves on DA."
I should have invested in 55 gallon drums and therapy companies during the election. All these salty tears I'm seeing in the last few days would have made me a very rich man!!
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thebalefulprimal In reply to taurus-comix [2016-11-10 16:43:08 +0000 UTC]
I don't think it's frightening that he's making hate remarks
towards POC, LGBTQ+, women, and the lower class - and "enforcing
immigration laws" should not entail tagging people like animals, because
that's what he's suggesting.
Obama is black, how on Earth would he stoke any racism? Unless you mean
him just being in the White House is racist in itself.
If you haven't read any of the other comments I have replied to, I was not
for Hillary or Trump, but thank you for assuming. I'm also not really going to
trust a site called 'infowars', but thank you for providing.
And I've also spoke about comparing 9/11 to Trump's win. As an outsider, the feeling
of him winning was akin to hearing about the attack. I'm sorry you took it out of
context, and apologize that it did not come across clearer. I have clarified this in the Artist
Comments, should you choose to refer to there.
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thebalefulprimal In reply to taurus-comix [2016-11-10 17:23:14 +0000 UTC]
I agree - I'm not saying there aren't honorable or amazing
people on the Republican side, just to be clear. Your political party
'does not make the man', if I may tweak the quote slightly. And I agree
again with you, Obama is not above criticism - he is in a seat of power,
if we wasn't being criticized - or scrutinized too, actually - it would be
extremely odd.
I haven't heard of Beergate, my apologies. I do know about Treyvon &
Zimmerman, as well as Michael Brown and Officer Wilson, and I am not going to go down that path
with you - or anyone else, to be candid - because I'm not here to argue when our views are so vastly different.
Apologies, the site name raised my caution, since we all know how
reliable the internet can be. And no, I did not "proudly" deny anything.
Please don't put words in my mouth; I would not do the same towards you.
And again, I agree with you. Immigration does need law and order, much like
many other things, in all countries, not just the USA. However, I am merely
saying that implying that a certain faith/colour/etc on a registry should
be on a registry, seems cruel. Especially if there are citizens that have been
in the country for X number of years, who call the US of A home.
Of course, knowledge is empowerment. I don't know where you assume
I'm a Trump basher, but that is your opinion, which everyone is entitled to,
of course. And you've already explained a fair bit, which I thank you for.
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abellius In reply to thebalefulprimal [2016-11-10 19:33:32 +0000 UTC]
Are you taking pride in being a Trump basher? That's something not to be proud of!
I think you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. On one side you compare Trump's election to 9/11 (which is silly and shows irrationality when comparing world events) and admit to being a Trump basher, and on the other you said we should all pull together to overcome hell/what can we do to help tripe missing the unicorns and rainbows.
So which is it? You want to bash people or do you want to unite people? Or, is this Canadian progressive passive-aggressivism?
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thebalefulprimal In reply to abellius [2016-11-10 20:18:07 +0000 UTC]
Okay, where am I saying that I am a Trump basher?
If you haven't read at all, I am literally on neither side.
I am not bashing Trump, or Hillary. And where do I say that I
am proud of this?
Again, you're putting words in my mouth, and I really don't
see this going anywhere.
And in case you missed it earlier:
4. I've also had people telling me I am "sick" and "insensitive" for comparing Trump's win to the catastrophic event that was 9/11.
Let me be perfectly clear about this: I am NOT, I repeat, NOT comparing the actual event of thousands of loved ones lost to a senseless act of hate to the winning election of a president. As an outsider, and as a Canadian citizen who has extremely close ties to the USA, I was comparing the feeling of hearing about the attack to Trump winning. I am, in no way at all, saying Trump winning is worse. I am not so cold and unfeeling as that. I will be directing people to this section of the comments should it come up.
3. A lot of people seem to think I supported Hillary because of this letter, so I will be clear and say that I did not like either candidates, nor did I support them. It literally came down to "Who is the lesser evil?", in my opinion.
I hope that clears that up.
As for the bashing vs uniting, I thought I made it pretty clear that uniting is the option.
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abellius In reply to thebalefulprimal [2016-11-10 20:35:01 +0000 UTC]
Your opening paragraph - "For many of us, the unthinkable has come to life. All the waiting, all the nail biting, and the praying and jokes to offset the anxiety has boiled down to this: Trump in the White House. I cannot begin to fathom what the feeling must be like for those who are in the thick of it, but from an outsider's point of view, it feels like we're re-watching 9/11 happen all over again. I feel sick for the women, the people of colour, the immigrants, the LGBTQ+ community, the lower class - everyone who has been slandered and assaulted and disrespected by this greatly inept man who has thought himself better than the rest."
If that is not bashing, then what do you call it?
"I am NOT, I repeat, NOT comparing the actual event of thousands of loved ones lost to a senseless act of hate to the winning election of a president."
But, you have. If that is not the case, then remove "...it feels like we're re-watching 9/11 happen all over again" from your post. You are making a comparison. If it is not a comparison, then what is? Btw, I don't care if you make the comparison, but saying you didn't is being disingenuous imo.
"3. A lot of people seem to think I supported Hillary because of this letter, so I will be clear and say that I did not like either candidates, nor did I support them. It literally came down to "Who is the lesser evil?", in my opinion."
I don't care who you supported and I didn't even referred to it in my response. So why are you saying this to me?
"As for the bashing vs uniting, I thought I made it pretty clear that uniting is the option."
Which goes back to my original response. You say you are for uniting, but you start off with bashing someone. If you are truly for uniting, then you stick with only uniting rhetoric and leave any sort of bashing out of your post. Thus, goes back to my "talking out of both sides of your mouth" comment. You say you want to unite people, but your post says otherwise. And, it doesn't matter how many edits you add to your original post. If your original post is causing confusion and not saying what you meant to say, then maybe you should take it down, rewrite it, and post the new version that means exactly what you meant to say.
So again, you want to bash people or do you want to unite people?
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thebalefulprimal In reply to abellius [2016-11-10 20:45:15 +0000 UTC]
We very clearly have a different idea of what bashing is.
Sure, I'll remove it then, since that seems the only way to get my point across.
The feeling and the actual event are highly different, unless emotions and physical
actions aren't separate now. This is why I included it in the first place, and why I have
apologized to several people, including yourself I think.
My answer has not changed: unity is still the answer.
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abellius In reply to thebalefulprimal [2016-11-10 21:08:34 +0000 UTC]
Please be aware that I'm not saying you need to change anything you posted or take it down. I'm not a censorship type of guy. I'm just going by on what I read from your post.
To me, you are making a comparison to 9/11 in your 1st paragraph, which in turns hurts and diminishes the rest of your post. Also, you are bashing Trump with that comparison, which sticks out like a sore thumb. If you cannot see it, then I don't know what else to say. Comparing anyone to a horrible historical event is bashing. If it is not bashing, then what is it? Not unity. This is what I'm basically saying in my original comment.
I'm all for unity (as uniting as one people), but for it to work, you cannot bash anyone in the process. Once you do, you are not uniting everyone.
Lastly, you don't need to apologize to me. I'm not offended at all. However, if your post is not coming across as you meant it to be, then it is up to you to decide what to do. If you don't change it, then people, supporters as well as naysayers, will continue to respond to what they think it means then what you want it to mean.
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thebalefulprimal In reply to abellius [2016-11-10 21:22:38 +0000 UTC]
I understand, and thank you for saying that. I took your words
to heart and changed what needed to be changed. Would you say it works
better now, than before? I value your opinion.
No no, you're right. What's the point of even putting it up if I'm not willing
to change it when I've done it wrong? Good intent with the wrong action
doesn't help anyone, so I appreciate you letting me know.
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Baraayas In reply to thebalefulprimal [2016-11-10 16:55:26 +0000 UTC]
I don't know if you have noticed, but black people aren't exempt of being racist. Everyone can harbour this prejudice, doesn't matter the race.
I'm not saying Obama is racist, of course, I'm just making an observation.
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thebalefulprimal In reply to Baraayas [2016-11-10 17:02:02 +0000 UTC]
No no, I agree with. That prejudice can come from anyone of any colour,
faith, etc. I was just saying (in a roundabout way, now that I reread my words)
that Obama isn't racist. My apologies for the confusion, that was my fault.
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Baraayas In reply to thebalefulprimal [2016-11-10 17:58:50 +0000 UTC]
It's ok, I sometimes get confused when writting too xD
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thebalefulprimal In reply to BeautifulBarefeet [2016-11-10 17:45:11 +0000 UTC]
It was quite the election this year, there really was
no good winner. Let's keep heart for the beautiful USA!
And you!
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