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Published: 2014-12-22 01:50:53 +0000 UTC; Views: 27050; Favourites: 443; Downloads: 151
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My secret santa gift for martinehannah! Asked for the beifongs (and of course I started this before the whole aim-spirit-cannon-at-baatar-jr thing) and i've thrown in a bonus kuvira c:ΒThis took a really long time because I've never drawn this many people in one picture before and it was rly hard but I think I got there in the end yknow!!
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This is awesome, of course I wish that Su would apologize to all of her kids for letting them expand their horizons. I understand she doesn't want them to make the same mistakes she made in her youth, but she was almost at the same level as Toph's parents of being protective and having expectations which thankfully she snapped out of it after Opal wanted to leave for the Air temple and almost losing her family, and seeing that Baatar Jr was furious with her for not ever seeing his potential, and I can see that he would also be furious for how Su wasn't a real mother to Kuvira and made her feel unwanted when she was abandoned.
The look on his face says, "It's one thing to want the best for your kids and not let them make the same mistakes you did, but all you cared about was making this city and seeing your children as extensions of yourself!"
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A lot of people may hate Baatar Jr., but his estrangement with his family was one of the things that had me so hooked.
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I have to agree with you. I wanted to know more about their family after his departure. It takes a lot for a child to cut all ties with their family, even if they're an an adult. I was so mad when nothing came of it.
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I don't mind that some of it is left to our own imagination. Still, a little more enlightenment would have been nice. And I was a bit bummed that they didn't show more of him toward the end. At least there's a glimpse of hope for the future, and I loved that scene between him and his mom. He must have been truly touched and truly ashamed that his mother was still there for him and still cared for him even after he told her to her face that Kuvira was his "family." Really must have hit him where it hurt.
He's no worse than the other bad guys in the show, and even they have a story to tell. (That's what I love about the series. You find your sympathies scattered all over the place.) And he did finally come around, even if it took almost being blown to kingdom come to make it happen.
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I really would have liked Suyin to realize just what she did to her son. Getting an apology from someone who doesn't know what they did to you makes things worse.
The villains are my favorite things from the Avatar franchise. 
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What I'd like to know is what happened to Baatar Jr., since we didn't see him at Varrick and Zhu Li's wedding. It's like he just disappeared.
Did he go to jail? To the hospital? Or is he at his old home? Likely enough, the wedding would have been too painful for him, since he and Kuvira had planned to get married.
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I noticed that as well. What happened to a main character of Book 4? As professional writers they shouldn't have just forget about him.
I wish Nick would have just gave Mike and Bryan full seasons for each book, then we could have had better closure.
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I guess that's where the comics and fan fiction come in. The story of Zuko's mom was revealed in a comic.
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I guess. I've read some good fanfics, but I honestly can't read the comics, I find them very... Out of character and atmosphere.
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I like them. Guess everyone has their preferences.
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I tried to like them, but after re-watching the TV show so many times I just can't see the characters saying or doing the things they do in the comics.
It's good that you like the comics. Don't let anyone tell you other wise.
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And as I said, there's always fan fiction. I don't believe in telling your audience absolutely everything; I believe in letting them use their own imagination and decide some things for themselves.
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Yes, some fanfics are enjoyable.
I also agree on letting your readers\viewers decide some things on their own.
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For the most part, I think they did a great job. Don't you?
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For the most part yes, but I feel that the comics took some of that free-thinking away, such as how Ursa was characterized. I would have never thought she was the kind of woman to use her children in a mind game with her husband.
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While she's far from perfect, I can't say I totally blame her for doing what she does. What would you have done in that kind of situation?
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I don't mind that they wrote her imperfect, it was how they handled it. Ursa came off as almost stupid and careless. Knowing Ozai's cruel personality she should have been more protective of her children.
To be honest, I would have loved Ozai as much as I could and tried my best to teach my children how to live properly, as this is my personality.
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The way Ozai manipulated her and treated her like a piece of property was pretty brutal.
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Yes, it was brutal and that is why I found it odd how she just threw her children into the mind games. If she had been a little smarter, then Zuko would have never been treated like a piece of trash, still not loved but his life would have been easier.
I did however like how Ursa apologized to Azula, even if it was a little empty as she freely erased her memories.
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It was a tough, sticky situation to be in. I'm not justifying her, but I don't see how a lot of people would have acted any differently in a situation like that.
Even though Ozai's a total jerk and it's hard to feel sorry for him, I read that his relationship with his dad wasn't the most ideal, either. So the vicious cycle ends up repeating itself.
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I suppose not a lot of people would think of the safety of their children at a time like that. Perhaps if it were written better then it wouldn't have shocked me as much as it did.
Yes Ozai's cruelty stemmed from his father's treatment of him. It makes me wonder how Iroh was so kind to his son.
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I read that they'd planned to animate Ursa's story, but they ended up having to settle for comics instead. Maybe if it was animated, they could have fleshed it out at least a little more. For all its flaws, I enjoyed it and I agree with Katara's words: "It's an incredible tale."
And it's great that Zuko finally found her and had a chance to catch up with her, though I wonder what became of Azula after she ran away.
Maybe Iroh was favored a little more, since he was the official heir. Sometimes a parent's treatment convinces the kids to treat their kids differently. They realize, "I don't ever want my kids to feel that way."
I read that Michael Jackson's dad abused him terribly, especially where his career was concerned, and he said in an interview, "That's why, to this day, I don't lay a finger on my children."
It's sad that we know so little about Lu Ten. But we know just enough to feel truly sorry for both him and Iroh. I can't think of anything sadder than a parent outliving a child. As tragic as it is to lose a parent, especially at a young age, it's a little more natural than for the child to die first.
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Yes, Nick refused to fund the movie. I think I would have enjoyed Ursa's story better in animated form. I found it to be a depressing tale, myself.
It was nice that he found her, I guess. I read that Azula will be back for the next comic book trilogy.
That's one thing I would have liked them to explain. I don't know anything about Michael Jackson.
I know some parents that have lost their children and the pain in their voices is unbearable. I can't imagine how they feel.
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Sometimes they can only do so much, but I think they still pulled it off well, all things considered. They certainly could have done a lot worse.
If there's anything I'm still wondering about besides Baatar Jr.'s fate, it's Korra's old connection to her past lives. Obviously, she didn't get that connection back in the TV series, and I'm wondering if she'll ever get it back or just start off fresh. I'm also wondering what became of Aang and the others after they were cut off. Do they still technically exist and she just doesn't have easy access to them anymore? Are they still there, behind some closed door, or what?
I don't know much about Michael Jackson myself, but according to a little research, his dad was very hard on him and his brothers. When they were the Jackson 5, he drove them mercilessly to be "perfect." One little mistake cost them dearly. I think he drove them even harder because they were "black" and they were becoming a rare success, and he would do anything to maintain that success. Michael admitted that his dad's push for perfection was good in some ways, but not so good in others. It went to my heart.
I recently attended the viewing of a baby girl who only lived two days. She was so tiny they used a doll-sized casket. I can't begin to fathom what it's like to lose your child. I don't know if I would be able to handle it. The way Iroh sings "Leaves From the Vine" at his son's grave definitely qualifies as one of the most heart-wrenching moments in the show, if not all animation.
The full version of the song is pretty heart-twisting, too.
Leaves from the vine
Falling so slow
Like fragile, tiny shells
Drifting in the foam
Little soldier boy
Come marching home
Brave soldier boy
Come marching home.
Those leaves did grow
From branches overgrown
Drifting slowly down
Resting on the loam
Little soldier boy
Taken from home
Forced to fight a war
That's not his own.
Leaves from the vine
Falling so slow
Like fragile, tiny shells
Drifting in the foam
Little soldier boy
Says, "Carry me home."
Sleeping soldier boy
Is carried home.
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Yes, they could have done worse, much worse.
That did bother me. I've always wanted to know what happens to people when they die in Avatar and Korra losing her connection makes it worse.
Sounds interesting. I'm glad he acknowledged that his father was trying to help him, not just hurt him.
Leaves From the Vine is my favorite song from Avatar. Mako truly knew how to voice act and put real emotion into his performances.Β
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Some people say that Suyin's to blame for everything that's come about. Would you agree? It's true that she didn't want to impose her ideals on a whole nation, but do you think she could have still done something? Obviously, Kuvira and Baatar Jr. decided to take matters into their own hands, though it's also obvious that Baatar did this more to spite his parents than to actually help the Earth Kingdom. And Kuvira had genuinely good intentions at first but totally went about it the wrong way.
I'm sure they have to go somewhere when they die. Iroh was there in the Spirit World, though he did mention he chose to come there of his own accord. He didn't wait for his body to die naturally.
I don't want to judge Michael's dad unfairly, but it sounds like he also meant well and went about it the wrong way. Michael was forced to settle for nothing but the best, and he gained a career but lost a normal childhood. It must have been really bad when Michael said he treated his own kids just the opposite of how his dad treated him. Sometimes celebrities pay too great a price for their fame.
It's sad that Mako passed away before they could finish the series. Naming one of the characters after him was a nice touch.
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Suyin is to blame, and I did not like it how that was not brought up. If she had just helped the Earth Kingdom instead of staying in her perfect littleΒ metal-bending world then a lot of the problems could have been prevented from happening, not all but most.
After death is a very important thing to me when reading stories, if that is missing from the story it doesn't feel complete.
It sounds like the man just didn't know that he went to far, nothing evil came from it.
Yes, Nick gave them lots of problems between Books 2 and 3 so he passed away. It was very heartbreaking for me because I grew up watching Mako on TV shows and Iroh was one of my favorite characters.
Too bad that character was messed around by the writers, but yes, it was a nice touch.
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I don't know what to feel about Suyin. I know she could have done better but I can't bring myself to hate her. To be fair, that was a pretty tough situation to be in and one misstep could have led to disaster. Again, that's another thing about the show; there are no easy decisions, no solid line separating right from wrong, and you don't find yourself siding with just one or two people. No one in the show is a perfect saint.
I'm a very spiritual person (a Latter-day Saint, or a Mormon, if you'd like to know) and I believe that we all have to come from somewhere and go somewhere. We don't just poof out of nowhere and end up as nothing. Something about that idea just doesn't register.
True, but his dad's actions had a deep emotional impact. Michael later said he had a hard time watching footage of himself in his younger years because it brought back too many painful memories.
I'm surprised at how much the younger Mako has been bashed over the last couple of years. I mean, sheesh, people, it's true that he's got his flaws, but he's no worse than any of the other characters. (Same goes for Baatar Jr.) I think some people take this show a little too seriously and are a little too quick to judge.
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It was Suyin's snooty tone when she declined the offer that made me realize she was just interested in her little world and no one else. I don't hate her, but it was her fault and no one brought it up in the show.
I'm a type of Hebrew Roots myself and I'm very spiritual, soΒ notΒ to have a type of after death lore is very odd for me.
I hope he was able to truly forgive his father.
I can't understand the bashing myself. Mako was a young teenager who had some very bad ways, but by the end he was far more honorable than the rest of the cast. People need to look at the whole picture before judging. I didn't blame Suyin until I saw the whole show and understood the plot.
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I think there's a little more to it than that, but unfortunately, there's only so much they can pack into one episode. (You can tell I'm the type of person who likes to reserve judgment. Oh, I'm as aware as anyone when someone does something stupid, but I'm also not the type to just wham them.)
Frankly, I don't see the point in living if this is all there is, to live for just a little while and then be snuffed out forever.
He did forgive him (he even made a speech about it), but I imagine it haunted him to his dying day. It's one thing to forgive and another to forget.
Even if this was Suyin's fault, she certainly wasn't the first character on the show to make a big blunder, and she won't be the last. Besides, other characters are guilty of far worse things.
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There probably is, but telling someone they did something stupid so they don't do it again is not judging them.
I guess the point would be to tells others that the whole world isn't all bad, which is true.
Forgiving is forgetting. To forgive someone means to let go of what happened in the past.
Every character in the franchise makes mistakes and most of them admit to their faults, Suyin didn't so it was odd for me to watch. Yes, far worse things.
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Don't get me wrong. I'm also a believer in correcting erroneous behavior. But I like to leave the final judgment in God's hands.
Oh, sure, you don't let it bother you, but it doesn't always fade completely from memory. I still haven't forgotten the way I was picked on in school, even though I've forgiven those people. But in a way, remembering is a good thing because I now have a great deal of sympathy for anyone who's bullied. You can learn from other people's mistakes as well as your own.
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As do I.
The memories don't fade, but the feelings attached to them are gone when you forgive. It's good to learn from your mistakes, but people seem to not want to nowadays.
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Sometimes, admittedly, it does still hurt when you think about what has been and what could have been, how it could have (and should have) gone differently. Then again, this inspires you to improve the future.
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I've never had the hurt stay after forgiving someone, but I do always look back and set to improve the future for others.
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