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Published: 2016-11-02 00:28:26 +0000 UTC; Views: 13118; Favourites: 171; Downloads: 6
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We can't talk about this era without talking about the biggest, the loudest, and the thing that trigger most Classicist, critics, and haters, Sonic's friends.Now what's all the hate for I thought in today's world having more of something is a good thing I mean not many people had a problem with fighting games like Street Fighter adding new characters in every new installment, no one had a problem when Megaman had different sub-series with different version of the classic blue bomber even if 2 out of 7 of them didn't really have a playable Megaman character (unless you count model X in ZX), no one seems to have a problem when Mario was adding new characters to has roaster and fact people jump for joy because they actually had a character with actual character, a backstory, and something that separate her from all the other Mario characters, so with all that being said Sonic having new characters in almost every game wouldn't be an issue since it's pretty much the norm in video game world.
Hahaha hell nah. Yeah a big blue hedgehog who runs fast have no reason to be friends with a fox with two tails, a red echidna who can punch hard, or hell be in a relationship with a squirrel/chipmunk thing (I don't know what Sally is even suppose to be) believe or not I learn the hate on Sonic's friends movement didn't start with the Adventure games like we thought, yeah the problem worsting with those games but this hate started back as far as 1992 when Sega introduced Tails and the problem seems to get worst and worst with every new installment heck people are starting to rip Sonic 3 a new one because it's the start of "Multiple playable characters" and for "Having a story" and I expect CD to be hit next since it have a story too.
I don't understand how's having less is good, we as humans want more and fact Sonic's character roaster compare to other series isn't even that huge and most of Sonic's friends/enemies are forgotten anyway (Mighty, Ray, Fang, Bean, Bark, etc.) but everything most be like Sonic 1 or its no good I don't know why we need to go back to Sonic 1's style when Sonic 1 wasn't even that good of a game Oh my god someone in here doesn't like the first Sonic the Hedgehog game begin the "Your not a true fan just a hater comment". Just because Sonic 1 was the first game in the series doesn't mean it was the best game in the series when it really wasn't and I sure as hell don't want the series to go back to that, but that's what the haters want, to take our asses back to 1991 with Sonic only, Classic nostalgia, and gameplay only. Because less is good, More is bad.
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I think the problem was that Sonic defined the height of cool. Any other character that got introduced had to compete with his popularity and this was difficult. Knuckles sort of achieved this in 1994 when he came onto the scene. He had attitude and made Sonic look inferior, which excited gamers. Sonic is a badass and doesn't worry what others think of him. Usually heroes are serious and careful when facing villains. Other heros always seems serious and angry, yet worried about a villains power and show a fearful respect. Sonic has no problem mouthing off to Dr. Eggman or even Shadow. How can any other character in the Sonic franchise live up to such an awesome hero? Mario's characters have pretty much no personality so no one pays attention to them outside their looks. They sit on the sidelines with their mouths shut. All they have to do is be present. Then there is the Sonic characters appearance problem. The Sonic characters at first glance don't look too intimidating. Does the image of Shadow really inspire fear? Characters from the Capcom series, like Mega Man X or Ryu, try to look really serious and tough, so people seem to accept them more. Sonic characters ARE tough, but at a glance they look like cutesy stuffed animals. Sonic runs in the no mans land between cutesy personality (Nintendo) and tough personality (Capcom), so the audience is confused. Gamers like their characters to be black and white and know their role. Sonic defies video game rules and norms so much, that it gets questionable when new characters come into play.
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they also get hated for having for having not much personality, like, isnt that a normal Thing in media for Kids?
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I think this is the reason we didn't get another sonic representative in Smash Bros. We were this close to have either Tails or Shadow as Sonic's Echo fighter but Shadow is an Assist Trophy and Tails is a support spirit, Making Super Smash Bros. Ultimate somehow disgracing Super Smash Flash 2 where Tails is a playable character but as an original fighter and not Sonic's Echo Fighter.
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They don't really use the sonic characters as much anymore not to mention they've become a lot more useless
I mean in generations the two sonics get squashed and instead of a character like shadow jumping in to fight they're like "you got this sonic!"
And there's the characters who have been shown in the past to be very capable made now yelling for sonics help like tails
I think people are just tired and disappointed on amount of missed potential the characters have
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Sonic characters looks too much similar, plus i dislike that, how Rayman Origins and Legends go to his ways.
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I guess the reason some people use Sonic's enormous ensemble cast as a criticism has to do with:
A) The fact that Sonic doesn't have a good reputation to a large portion of gamers. Bias will likely ensue
B) The fact that furries also don't have a good reputation among those gamers. They probably see most of the side character as dumb fursonas to poke at for their designs (Silver having a marijuana-shaped head, for instance) or their questionable aesthetics (Ow the Edge, with his skater shoes and black/red palette swap).
C) Maybe the fact those people judge the side characters based on their presence and execution solely on the games, where in most cases outside of Heroes, Advance or maybe Adventures, they're just there without developing or contributing in meaningful or entertaining ways. They're just there to pander to fans, do little to affect the story, and be annoying with their lame dialogue and jokes (Sonic Forces is a prime example).
D) Just their premise and execution overall compared to the casts of other, more positively received media. The Mario cast members may have less personality and are very simple all-around, but they still have spunk, pleasant voices, and energy in their animations and appearances. They may not speak too much dialogue, but it's better than spouting out jokes or going through pretentious and dumb "arcs," so they can appeal to any demographic and they get the job done. The Normandy crew-mates of the Mass Effect trilogy are so beloved because they fall on the opposite end of the spectrum but are still executed well. They have great voices, dialogue, development, humor, and overall feel like real, genuine and interesting people that each stand out and serve a major part of the story in one way or another. You may get a dud like Jacob, but 9 out of 10 of them do the story and the series justice, adding something newm, unique, and even insightful to the story you're crafting as Shepard. Sonic's ensemble cast meanwhile...just kind of flops back and forth between being simple and light (like Mario) or complex and grounded (like Mass Effect) without hitting that balance right most of the time. As a result, you get characters that are meant to be three-dimensional but come off as useless, one-dimensional and annoying. Keep in mind this is mostly just referring to the games, not the comics.
I'm not saying these are all good reasons, but they're likely reasons regardless. The fourth is kind of my opinion, but I don't think Sonic should be hated just for the presence of the ensemble cast. The characters just need to be better executed in their games
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"A) The fact that Sonic doesn't have a good reputation to a large portion of gamers. Bias will likely ensue"
Except those "large portion of gamers" are just Nintards who hate on anything that was not made by or done by Nintendo first.
"B) The fact that furries also don't have a good reputation among those gamers. They probably see most of the side character as dumb fursonas to poke at for their designs (Silver having a marijuana-shaped head, for instance) or their questionable aesthetics (Ow the Edge, with his skater shoes and black/red palette swap)."
That logic would apply to a lot of series like TMNT, Swat Kats, MLP, etc., but it's only Sonic that's receiving that blow back and when it come to there criticism of the side characters there design have no little impact on there judgment.
"C) Maybe the fact those people judge the side characters based on their presence and execution solely on the games"
Hah! Like they actually give a damn about the story. It's gameplay or nothing.
"they're just there without developing or contributing in meaningful or entertaining ways."
Which is largely due to the fact these guys rather everyone be a Sonic clone than their own individual character. These people care less about Shadow and Knuckles' role in the story and more on the fact their taking the spotlight from Sonic which he sure taking advantage of with all the bad jokes and standing around he's been doing 2010.
" They're just there to pander to fans, do little to affect the story, and be annoying with their lame dialogue and jokes (Sonic Forces is a prime example)."
This holds no weight since half the cast were drop from relevancy since 2006 with Forces being the only time they did anything besides being Sonic's cheer girls. Also those lame dialogue and jokes are a result they created when they had an issue with the franchise taking itself seriously.
"D) Just their premise and execution overall compared to the casts of other, more positively received media."
Because I'm sure the cuckboys care about that.
"The Mario cast members may have less personality and are very simple all-around, but they still have spunk, pleasant voices, and energy in their animations and appearances."
That's Nintendo fanboy talk right there since Mario's cast literally does everything you just said about Sonic's friends which only further support the evidences these people on anything that doesn't have Nintendo's seal of approval on.
"They may not speak too much dialogue, but it's better than spouting out jokes or going through pretentious and dumb "arcs," so they can appeal to any demographic and they get the job done."
Again the jokes and shit are byproduct of there own creation since that's what they wanted from this series and also with that logic Sonic should be receiving the most shit since he was made to appeal to teenagers and young adults who felt they were to old or mature to be gaming on Nintendo. Also, let's not forget half of Mario's cast only exist for spin-offs like Daisy, Walugi, etc.so isn't basically the same "they get the job done" mentality you claim was the reason they gave Sonic shit for?
"Sonic's ensemble cast meanwhile...just kind of flops back and forth between being simple and light (like Mario) or complex and grounded (like Mass Effect) without hitting that balance right most of the time. As a result, you get characters that are meant to be three-dimensional but come off as useless, one-dimensional and annoying."
Other franchises also does that including series like Mass Effect so how is that a Sonic problem?
I love how you try to come up with complex reason for the Sonic hate but the simple answer is as follow: "THEY. ARE. NOT. SONIC!". Nothing more, nothing less. It's not rocket science to see these people have a mental issue against anything that wasn't done by Nintendo.
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"I love how you try to come up with complex reason for the Sonic hate..."
That wasn't my intention. I was just answering the question from this meme (the one YOU decided to post) and suggesting why certain people use the ensemble cast as a criticism or a way of supporting their criticism. I was not trying to justify or make up a complex reason for all of Sonic's hate as a whole.
"...but the simple answer is as follow: "THEY. ARE. NOT. SONIC!" Nothing more, nothing less."
So you basically took the answers I suggested, completely dissed or commented on all of them to prove that only one petty reason summarizes ALL of the thousands across the planet who dislike Sonic without considering ANY of those people individually, assuming that they are ALL (not some, ALL) petty hypocrites and/or Nintards who hate on it for the exact same reason? That's like saying that everyone who's a Muslim supports terrorism, even though there are many Muslims I met who are very nice people. That's like saying everyone who's Christian is a hypocritical homophobe who throws insults at Pride festivals, even though I've met many Christians who allow LGBT people to come to church and treat them with kindness and respect, disapproving their behavior but still loving them as people. If you want to go the route and summarize everyone who dislikes Sonic, you might as well say, "They don't like the execution of those characters, whether it be because they lack what made Sonic work (charm, personality, attitude etc), they aren't Sonic period, or they just find them bland or annoying." Also, what if someone dislikes Amy Rose because she's annoying rather than just, "she's not Sonic"? What if someone dislikes Silver because he's bland, has little to no personality, and is just a watered-down version of Sonic minus the charm that made Sonic likable to them? What if someone dislikes Sonic himself because they find him to be a jerk in certain installments or find his jokes to be lousy OR find him bland even in the classic games? Are their reasons considered "unfair" or "nostalgia-blind"? Maybe some, but not all.
"It's not rocket science to see these people have a mental issue against anything that wasn't done by Nintendo."
I agree with this...just like it's not rocket science to find people who dislike both Sonic AND Nintendo for similar reasons. I know many who are into shooters, so Mario and Sonic don't appeal to them. I know many who play games just for compelling stories, so they find Sonic and Mario to be dumb, uninteresting or stale. Much like people find some of Sonic's characters dumb or annoying, there are many who also find the Mario characters boring or annoying. It's also not rocket science to find people who dislike Sonic for legitimate and fair reasons that can apply to any other work of media. If someone hates Amy Rose AND Princess Daisy AND Bubsy for being "annoying" and "poorly executed," does that make the person a hypocritical Nintard? Are you assuming that everyone who dislikes Sonic is a Nintard who instantly hates anything that isn't made by Nintendo, even though there are CLEARLY many game reviewers online who enjoy a variety of games outside of just Nintendo's?
Look, I get it. It's irritating when people hate something due to bias rather than fair reasoning, but I don't think it's fair to say every person who dislikes it follows that mindset. If someone I know hates Steven Universe because it's "not like the old shows," I would disagree, but I wouldn't go out and assume that every SU-hater is like her. I open my eyes and see that some people dislike it for more believable reasons, like "the story is poorly executed" or "there's too much boring filler."
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"I was not trying to justify or make up a complex reason for all of Sonic's hate as a whole."
The thing is I already knew the answer when I first posted the meme in the first place. It was nothing more but pointing out the hypocrisy in the room since a lot of these people are fans of series that far exceed Sonic's cast numbers as far characters are concern.
"So you basically took the answers I suggested, completely dissed or commented on all of them to prove that only one petty reason summarizes ALL of the thousands across the planet who dislike Sonic without considering ANY of those people individually, assuming that they are ALL (not some, ALL) petty hypocrites and/or Nintards who hate on it for the exact same reason?"
Except I was only focusing on the ones who screech everytime Sonic does something other video game series has done for decades. The ones who dislike Sonic or his friends for whatever reason aren't the same ones who's pushing for Sonic to be childish or want Sonic's friends gone because they been stealing the spotlight from him without giving a solution to a problem they believe exist.
I'm not gonna bother answering the rest of that since it's just you ramming on about irrelevant shit.
"I agree with this...just like it's not rocket science to find people who dislike both Sonic AND Nintendo for similar reasons. I know many who are into shooters, so Mario and Sonic don't appeal to them. I know many who play games just for compelling stories, so they find Sonic and Mario to be dumb, uninteresting or stale. Much like people find some of Sonic's characters dumb or annoying, there are many who also find the Mario characters boring or annoying. It's also not rocket science to find people who dislike Sonic for legitimate and fair reasons that can apply to any other work of media. If someone hates Amy Rose AND Princess Daisy AND Bubsy for being "annoying" and "poorly executed," does that make the person a hypocritical Nintard? Are you assuming that everyone who dislikes Sonic is a Nintard who instantly hates anything that isn't made by Nintendo, even though there are CLEARLY many game reviewers online who enjoy a variety of games outside of just Nintendo's?"
Again, not the same people who's been screeching at the franchise for doing things that go against their agenda at this point your trying to rationalize bullshit and trying to find a way to make these people less crazy than they are.
"I don't think it's fair to say everyperson who dislikes it follows that mindset."
I didn't that's why I say Nintard because they're the ones who take issue with anything that doesn't follow Nintendo's logic. Though it still amazes me how everyone who take issue with it are one and I don't even need to do any underground research to prove it.
"If someone I know hates Steven Universe because it's "not like the old shows," I would disagree, but I wouldn't go out and assume that every SU-hater is like her. I open my eyes and see that some people dislike it for more believable reasons, like "the story is poorly executed" or "there's too much boring filler.""
Unless someone push for Steven Universe to be edgy, action-pack, in the like, like what the Nintards did for Sonic being childish than this part is irrelevant.
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She sure does. Poor little bunny.
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Care to explain because I have yet to knock a series for having too many characters.
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People give hate towards the Sonic franchise for having a huge set of characters, yet they give plenty other certain franchises a pass, for some reason.
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I think its cool, it shows that there's a world outside the main character
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According to some people back in the day that's a bad thing because the world revolves around that one character and nobody else.
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THAT IS BECAUSE SONIC CHARACTERS ARE ALL BORING!
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And more excuses to draw furry nsfw art xD
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Says the man who claim Sonic ruin his life.
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The Sonic Franchise has the most boring cast of characters in any video game series
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Dismissing you for using Screwattack
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Why? Screwattack has tons of subscribers! I'm a big fan of Death Battle.
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If we go off subscribers than your better off using Watchmojo or GameGrump. It's this level of slowness is why I dismiss you.
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And that changes What? You have zero argument and are only listening to sources that people already discredit.
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Screwattack is still a thing?
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Not anymore.
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I think the reason why people are so mad when Sonic does it, is not because they created to many characters, but to many of the same type. A lot of the cast from Sonic are basically the same or at least a similar character type: an action hero character who is anthropomorphic animal with at least one special ability who fights against Dr. Eggman or another bad guy.
The other series character cast have got a bit more variety when it comes to that: Different designs, different roles, different relationships etc. Most of Sonic's cast feels more like they want to be just like another Sonic.
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That doesn't exactly work when people hate on these guys for NOT trying to be like Sonic. The Adventure games gave every character different stuff from Sonic and were immediately hated yet Mighty and Ray returning in Sonic Mania Plus with nothing to separate them from the already pre-existing characters of the game are being welcome with open arms. The design, role, relationship, etc. is not and was never the issue just Nintendo fanboys hate the idea that not every character that were introduce after Sonic 1 were like Sonic.
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Probably because of the Nostalgia bonus.
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How the fuck are they bland? Sonic's cast has some of the most diverse roster of characters ever.
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How? I can only think of two set that are bland everyone have something going for them including the one's I don't like. A lot of the hate against the character was for simply existing them being bland was never an issue and still isn't an issue.
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I kinda always liked Sonic's friends better than Sonic himself. Not that I hate him or anything, I like him, but he's not my favorite in the series.
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I think that's how it is for most main characters. Mario's cool and all, but odds are more people are going to like Luigi more.
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Hell, I like Luigi more. I like Daisy better than Peach, and I adore the sidekicks in Paper Mario.
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Yeah.
Peach is a little too peachy for me! (Lol)
Amy was actually the one who got me into Sonic, not Sonic myself.
I never really cared for her personality I like the fact how she doesn't give up! And other things
Sonic may not be my favorite character but he's still the fastest blue hedgehog I kno! - @
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