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RENDER-01 [2022-10-16 03:36:19 +0000 UTC]
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YNot1989 In reply to chennnnnn [2019-01-25 19:59:41 +0000 UTC]
Looks good I guess. I don't speak a word of Chinese so I'll take your word for it. Just credit and link to the original source.
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PersephoneEosopoulou [2018-02-03 06:18:39 +0000 UTC]
Do you mind if I ask how you feel this world would go in the future? not a full tl or anything just if the Cold War continues or eventually fizzles out.
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YNot1989 In reply to PersephoneEosopoulou [2018-02-03 17:05:53 +0000 UTC]
I see it going one of three ways: Interplanetary, civilization destroying war, or basically the CoDominium scenario where the US and Soviet Union eventually form a quasi-confederation between eachother; and finally, one of the colonies of the two empires eventually rises to dominate them both.
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Filipo1357 [2018-02-01 18:22:49 +0000 UTC]
How much different was the balkanization of yugoslavia in this timeline? How is the European Federation doing?
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YNot1989 In reply to Filipo1357 [2018-02-01 18:48:54 +0000 UTC]
Yugoslavia balkanized in this TL for much of the same reasons it did in OTL, but the difference was that Russia was strong enough to move in and secure its position in the country. The EF has three or four asteroid mining operations (compared to the dozen or so controlled by the US and the same controlled by the USSR, and the 6 controlled by Japan), and the wealth of the asteroids has essentially made it possible for West German manufacturing to grow outward into the rest of Europe, preventing the kind of economic inequality between nations we have in OTL. The EF has a unified military (which is meeting its NATO obligations) and the European Parlaiment while modeled on the British system is tempered by a Senate that is very similar to that of the US, giving representation to member States. There are separatists, but they are more vocal than powerful. The most awkward part of the EF is the language barrier. There is no official language for the Federation, and thus the government does a lot of its work through translators, meaning that with rare exceptions, most of the governing that matters is still handled at the State level. So the EF is closer to a confederation of Nations than a true federation, but it does have a united military, monetary and fiscal policy, and a space program that supports all of the above.
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PersephoneEosopoulou In reply to YNot1989 [2018-02-03 06:17:34 +0000 UTC]
So both less unpopular and undemocratic then the EU is and with much larger economic cloud due to the asteroid mining and space program etc?
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Chinerpeton In reply to PersephoneEosopoulou [2018-07-10 12:54:34 +0000 UTC]
How exactly an organization whose all governing bodies are either made of democratically elected representatives, members of democratically elected goverments of the member-states or people appointed by at least one of the above, undemocratic?
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Abbieisurqueen [2018-02-01 15:32:50 +0000 UTC]
Neat... Very neat.
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TheTexasRanger [2018-01-30 04:35:11 +0000 UTC]
I'd imagine Putin still finds a way to become the leader of the Soviet Union
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TheTexasRanger In reply to YNot1989 [2018-01-30 18:06:00 +0000 UTC]
What's West Berlin like? Did ever become a fully independent city-state or is it part of the European Federation
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YNot1989 In reply to TheTexasRanger [2018-01-30 18:56:10 +0000 UTC]
It's part of the European Federation, but its functionally a city state.
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TheTexasRanger In reply to YNot1989 [2018-01-30 23:57:58 +0000 UTC]
So when did Panama and Guyana get annexed by the U.S.? I'd imagine that without Carter the U.S. keeps the Panama canal and that the U.S. invasion still happens and we eventually annex it.
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YNot1989 In reply to TheTexasRanger [2018-01-31 02:39:53 +0000 UTC]
No contras either, the Soviets don't bother with funding Communist insurgents outside of their immediate periphery, and the US doesn't bother with funding capitalist insurgents. So Panama eventually transitioned to Commonwealth status in 1995. The US struck a deal with Guyana in the mid 70s to build a launch site there and paid to develop their infrastructure. The Guyana Launch Complex was busy enough that the US just kept investing more resources into it, and as asteroid mining picked up that made Guyana extremely wealthy. It became a US state in 2015.
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TheTexasRanger In reply to YNot1989 [2018-01-31 02:52:18 +0000 UTC]
So Panama is currently like Puerto Rico who I wouldn't be surprised is a state ITTL
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KuboCaskett [2018-01-30 03:10:26 +0000 UTC]
I wonder what the two Vietnams are like here? I'd figure that the north is authoritarian while the south is more akin to OTL's South Korea and Japan, rich and prosperous (and democratic too).
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YNot1989 In reply to KuboCaskett [2018-01-30 04:17:49 +0000 UTC]
This is a timeline where both sides are actually at about the same level in terms of economic development, its just that the US-NATO bloc has FAR more personal freedom. The Soviet System has actually kinda started to revert to a neo-feudalism at this point, with the military and political elite becoming a new ruling class over a de facto caste system.
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KuboCaskett In reply to YNot1989 [2018-01-30 17:26:19 +0000 UTC]
I see and I'll bet that technology is more advanced here thanks to the space race continuing on instead of stagnating IOTL.
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YNot1989 In reply to KuboCaskett [2018-01-30 18:55:49 +0000 UTC]
Yes and no. Genetics and particle physics took a back seat to space. There's no LHC, and the Human Genome Project didn't start until 2005.
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PersephoneEosopoulou In reply to YNot1989 [2018-01-30 05:34:55 +0000 UTC]
Long term that would reshape the Cold War into a ideological battle more long the lines of freedom and meritocracy on one side and order/control (if you will) and hierarchy on the other so to speak? with the economic side of things still been there not not quite as important?
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microwavedreams [2018-01-30 01:44:02 +0000 UTC]
I love your trademark style of map!
How is Japan holding up as compared to our timeline?
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YNot1989 In reply to microwavedreams [2018-01-30 01:54:03 +0000 UTC]
Japan's doing pretty well, they're more engaged militarily in this TL with China being back in the Soviet camp, and their economy is a close third behind Russia's thanks to American free trade policies and commercial access to space that let Japan harvest resources from Asteroids.
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kyuzoaoi [2018-01-30 00:49:10 +0000 UTC]
And Saudi Arabia imploded.
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YNot1989 In reply to kyuzoaoi [2018-01-30 01:51:06 +0000 UTC]
Basically the oil glut in 2015 in OTL shows up in the mid 80s in this TL. Except they didn't have several years of warning that the oil would eventually run out and adopt policies to diversify domestic markets.
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labgnome [2018-01-29 23:53:16 +0000 UTC]
I like this so much. Lately I've been saying I might be willing to trade the internet for a Mars colony. The cyberpunk future sucks.
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ElSqiubbonator [2018-01-29 22:53:47 +0000 UTC]
Why is China a Soviet ally in this timeline? I thought they were engaged in a "Cold War" with the Soviet Union of their own, and that's why Nixon was able to convince them to open up to us.
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YNot1989 In reply to ElSqiubbonator [2018-01-30 00:02:41 +0000 UTC]
No Nixon. Johnson went to Taiwan to shore up containment while giving up on outright victory in Vietnam. Without someone as bloodspittingly anti-communist as Nixon going to China was politically impossible. By the time Reagan got into office in the mid 70s, the Chinese were already looking to a reproachment strategy with the Soviets because of the more militant US presence in Taiwan.
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ElSqiubbonator In reply to YNot1989 [2018-01-30 01:49:43 +0000 UTC]
But hadn't the Sino-Soviet Split already happened by then?
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YNot1989 In reply to ElSqiubbonator [2018-01-30 02:06:44 +0000 UTC]
Yes, but there were elements in Mao's government well past 1966 that still thought China would be better served by working with the Soviets. In this TL, no Nixon means there was no one in America with the political power to justify recognizing China, meaning that per the containment strategy they had to build up their presence and support to neighboring allies like Taiwan. By the time Mao was dead, those elements of his government that were already pushing for reproachment with the Soviets were able to put their policies into action. So in this TL the Sino Soviet Split lasted about 10-15 years. Deng Xiaoping, Richard Nixon, and Henry Kissinger are all historical footnotes.
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eddsworldbatboy1 [2018-01-29 22:50:59 +0000 UTC]
Soooo
Kennedy 1961 - 1963
Johnson 1963 - 1973
Reagan 1973 - 1981
Rockefeller 1981 - 1985
Glenn 1985 - 1989/1993
Clinton c. 2001
Powell c. 2016
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YNot1989 In reply to eddsworldbatboy1 [2018-01-29 23:55:34 +0000 UTC]
Bob Dole was President from 1997-2001. Clinton was the first President to resign in 2006, and his Vice President, Joe Biden served out the remainder of his second term having lost to Colin Powell in 2008. Cecile Richards (Daughter of Texas Governor Ann Richards, and a far more successful politician in her own right in this TL) was elected in 2016.
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eddsworldbatboy1 In reply to YNot1989 [2018-01-30 00:36:53 +0000 UTC]
So who was president between 1989/1993 and 1997?
Kennedy 1961 - 1963
Johnson 1963 - 1973
Reagan 1973 - 1981
Rockefeller 1981 - 1985
Glenn 1985 - 1989/1993
??? 1989/1993 - 1997
Bob Dole 1997 - 2001
Clinton 2001 - 2006
Joe Biden 2006 - 2009
Powell 2009 - 2017
Richards 2017 - Present
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eddsworldbatboy1 In reply to YNot1989 [2018-01-30 02:33:39 +0000 UTC]
If Glenn was a two term president, wouldn't he be from 1985 to 1993.
If that is so, what about the person in between Glenn (1985 - 1993) and bob dole (1997 - 2001)
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YNot1989 In reply to eddsworldbatboy1 [2018-01-30 03:16:38 +0000 UTC]
Whoops, missed one. That was my bad
Kennedy 1961 - 1963
Johnson 1963 - 1973
Reagan 1973 - 1981
Rockefeller 1981 - 1985
Glenn 1985 - 1993
Jerry Brown 1993 - 1997
Bob Dole 1997 - 2001
Clinton 2001 - 2006
Joe Biden 2006 - 2009
Powell 2009 - 2017
Richards 2017 - Present
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