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ZCochrane — Goeschenen by-sa

Published: 2011-05-26 21:35:52 +0000 UTC; Views: 1032; Favourites: 18; Downloads: 79
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Description Some more scenery porn, this time with railroad lines as well.

Today, the Gotthard (Switzerland) is the most important pass over the alps. Well, you could argue about the Brenner (Austria), and of course the Lötschberg-Simplon-Route has a lot of traffic, but I think it's safe to say that the Gotthard remains the most important of them all. Historically, that is fairly recent, though, because the line follows a valley, and the valley ends apruptly. The village where that valley ends is called Göschenen.

From that valley, you had to go up through the Schöllenen Schlucht (canyon), which was quite an effort. Today there is a very, very steep but surprisingly little known narrow gauge railroad through this gorge, from Göschenen up to Andermatt (it is part of the MGB network), and it is from a train on this line that this picture was taken.

However, traffic only began to take off when the Gotthard rail line with the Gotthard tunnel was opened in 1882. The incredibly steep and twisty line goes several hundred meters up through tunnels, over bridges, doubling back on itself several times, before it finally reaches Göschenen, where it enters the tunnel, to emerge in the italian-speaking part of Switzerland, facing a similar journey back down. Most trains from Germany and many from France go through this line to reach Italy, and due to that most trains from the north sea harbors in Belgium and the Netherlands, as well as trains from Scandinavia, do the same as well. The opening of this tunnel was the reason why the first international railroad standards comission was founded.

Still, Göschenen's glory days are over. Most passenger trains and all freight trains pass through without stopping. The car shuttle service on the line is disfunct (you can see its platform on the right side of the rail lines) since a motorway tunnel through the mountains was opened. And in the future, the entire line will be replaced by the far longer Gotthard base tunnel, which starts and ends before the valleys and their long climbs up to the old tunnel. There are calls for this old line to be classified as a UNESCO world heritage site. That won't be trivial, since much has changed since 1882, but I support this quest nevertheless.
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Comments: 19

engineerJR [2012-07-06 18:10:04 +0000 UTC]

Der Streckenabschnitt bei Wassen ist auch ganz interessant - wo man drei mal die selbe Kirche sieht

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ZCochrane In reply to engineerJR [2012-07-06 18:32:03 +0000 UTC]

Ja, die ganze Strecke ist einfach toll!

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engineerJR In reply to ZCochrane [2012-07-06 18:41:39 +0000 UTC]

Aber die Höllentalbahn und die Odenwaldbahn sind auch ganz reizvoll

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EricForFriends [2011-06-04 21:07:30 +0000 UTC]

P.S. Scenery porn... I must remember that one for the next time that one of my pictures get declined by a Landscape photography group. Some of them take themselves much too seriously.


With all this talk about models, I feel tempted to let the Tilt/shift effect loose on this one. The angle is perfect.

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ZCochrane In reply to EricForFriends [2011-06-10 21:33:27 +0000 UTC]

I think all photographers take themselves too seriously from time to time. Or at least all groups of photographers have members who do.

If you want to, I'd definitely be interested in what you'd make of this picture!

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EricForFriends [2011-06-04 21:01:21 +0000 UTC]

I took the little narrow gauge train from Brig to the north in February, and the view over the Rhone valley as it climbed up from Brig was magnificent. I hope they keep that little line alive as well.
I also did the Lötschberg-Simplon route from the north through the modern tunnel. Although tunnel spotters will be quite elated to tick it off their list (and I'm oddly satisfied to say that I've been there), it was a bit off a non-event. It still strike me as a bit odd that somewhere over your head the're the Furka Pass, Andermatt, The Rhine valley and of course the Glacier Express , and the train doesn't even bother to surface for all that.

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GlennFresch [2011-05-29 04:40:30 +0000 UTC]

As you may know, LGB made the little HGe 2/2 that ran on the Schollenen Railroad and then later the FO. I assume these railroads will stay open for local passenger and freight after the base tunnel opens. It would be a shame to see this all abandoned. My Dad has the LGB model in the FO red paint scheme. And yes, the model does operate with a real rack!

Here is a link to a page with photos of the little Goschenen to Andermatt rack railway.
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ZCochrane In reply to GlennFresch [2011-05-29 15:35:57 +0000 UTC]

I didn't know LGB made a model of that! Sadly, by the time I used that line, they were all replaced by the standard FO (now MGB) trains, which are still nice, but not quite as impressively old.

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GlennFresch In reply to ZCochrane [2011-05-29 16:41:39 +0000 UTC]

I believe the LGB HGe 2/2 was released in the late 80's. It came with rack sections that could be snapped into the center of standard LGB track for when the engine needed to tackle steep grades. The first edition was the red FO. Later, the pre FO paint scheme was made, along with some fake ones. I don't believe this engine has been made for a very long time. Thus, it would not show in any recent LGB catalogues. Unfortunately, LGB never made any real FO cars to go with it, and certainly none of the ones that were used on that particular line.

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ZCochrane In reply to GlennFresch [2011-05-29 18:26:16 +0000 UTC]

I guess LGB never really intended to provide the means to model that line. They just used that HGe 2/2 as a cheaper, smaller alternative for those who didn't want to or couldn't afford their larger swiss narrow gauge machines.

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GlennFresch In reply to ZCochrane [2011-05-30 06:24:21 +0000 UTC]

From the 70's to mid 80's LGB made a wide variety of narrow gauge locomotives and equipment - of many different gauges, meter, 2ft, 3ft, etc - from many countries. One could say LGB was trying to give its fans samples of the most interesting locomotives from almost every region - Austria, Switzerland, Germany, and USA. The downside of this approach was that it was very difficult to amass enough equipment from any railroad to model it. Even the famous LGB model of the RhB crocodile did not get any real RhB coaches to haul until about 10 years after it was released. The HGe 2/2 fit into this marketing approach nicely, as it was a unique, and ancient engine from a fabulous narrow gague railroad. Also, despite its size the HGe was hardly aimed at LGB buyers looking for a cheap engine. It was a highly detailed model with a price tag to fit, and it still looks good compared to more recent models that have the advantage of decades of advances in tooling.

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Fritzchen-26 [2011-05-27 18:56:05 +0000 UTC]

I really want to see this on a model layout.

What's the single track (looks like narrow gauge?) going up the hill on the left side by itself? Small tram line perhaps?

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ZCochrane In reply to Fritzchen-26 [2011-05-28 09:20:47 +0000 UTC]

There are many model layouts of the entire Gotthard line around; if you get to Switzerland, there is one in the traffic museum in Lucerne, for example.

The single track is narrow gauge indeed, but classified as a full rail line. It is rather short and leads through the Schöllenen Gorge up to Andermatt, where it connects with the line the Glacier Express uses and some important ski areas (in the winter). This picture was actually taken from a train on that line. It is quite amazing, but due to the many other world-famous lines in Switzerland, it tends to be forgotten a bit.

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Fritzchen-26 In reply to ZCochrane [2011-05-29 06:22:46 +0000 UTC]

All the more reason to model it. Do something no one knows so you can put more creativity into it instead of trying to copy every prototypical detail.

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VladimirSlavik [2011-05-27 13:44:05 +0000 UTC]

That looks almost like a model

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Tigrar [2011-05-27 08:15:51 +0000 UTC]

Beim Schienenverkehr haste Recht, beim Lastaufkommen liegt der Brenner vorne.

Zum Foto: Die gegend ist herrlich, leider hast du kein schönes Wetter gehabt....

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ZCochrane In reply to Tigrar [2011-05-27 09:28:58 +0000 UTC]

Ah, doch mehr Last über den Brenner? Gut zu wissen, danke!

Ja, das ist eben immer das dumme mit dem Wetter, besonders wenn man die Reise lange vorher geplant hat.

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Tigrar In reply to ZCochrane [2011-05-27 09:48:41 +0000 UTC]

Zumindest wenn man auf beiden pässen LKW+Bahn nimmt. Dann ist der Brenner vorne.

Hier sieht man es relativ gut in einem Diagramm (Runterscrollen)
[link] **http%3a//www.alpconv.org/NR/rdonlyres/97B09A33-0E7D-4A7D-807A-873485EB7A03/0/4_A_de.pdf

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Tigrar In reply to Tigrar [2011-05-27 09:49:13 +0000 UTC]

Sorry, link+das dahinter dranhängen^^

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