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rkerthi98a6530b [2017-07-02 16:00:43 +0000 UTC]
Sadly I cannot read the Tengwar script. But are you aware that Tolkien translated the Pater noster and the Ave Maria and a few other prayers into Quenya? www.jrrvf.com/glaemscrafu/engl…
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Clarsie387 [2011-06-13 12:32:20 +0000 UTC]
Gorgeous, simply gorgeous!
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alcuin18 In reply to Aodhagain [2011-03-05 03:28:40 +0000 UTC]
Me too. They already have John Henry Newman canonized, and G.K. Chesterton is being considered. Why not Tolkien? Unfortunately it seems like writers of fiction can be a bit overlooked by people who offer a person up for canonization.
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Aodhagain In reply to alcuin18 [2011-03-07 00:53:45 +0000 UTC]
Nope. I should look that up. And they've opened Ronald Knox up too, all these British guys from the same general time period (but Newman and Knox were cardinals, at least I'm pretty sure Knox was, so...).
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alcuin18 In reply to Aodhagain [2011-03-07 05:25:32 +0000 UTC]
To me, the first half of the 20th century, especially between about 1880-1970, with its wonderful Catholic saintly figures like Newman, Knox, Tolkien and Chesterton, is similar to the Counter-Reformation figures - Borromeo, Ignatius of Loyola, the Jesuits, Thomas More, Francis de Sales, etc. But, I seriously think Tolkien should be opened up for canonization.
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alcuin18 In reply to Aodhagain [2011-03-08 07:48:12 +0000 UTC]
I certainly agree, especially about Chesterton - hence why they call him "the prophet of orthodoxy". While reading his essays I see so many times where he discusses issues that are far more relevant now than they were then.
Wonderful quote, and absolutely true about Tolkien. I think it would be wrong to require a saint to focus entirely on nonfiction to be considered for canonization. I can say definitively that Tolkien was my first encounter with Catholicism, and with religion at all, and it was a guiding force that led me to convert. If someone had just handed me a Summa, I would've discarded it. Faith gives understanding, but to me, art can inspire the "longing" for Heaven, as Tolkien described faerie.
lol Yes John Paul canonized quite a few. I think Benedict is a more reserved person in general, which isn't a bad thing of course. He is one of my favorite teachers and his Jesus of Nazareth book was one of my first Catholic learning experiences. I just think no one considers Tolkien because he almost exclusively wrote fiction, which is unfortunate to me.
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Aodhagain In reply to alcuin18 [2011-03-08 17:18:19 +0000 UTC]
Chesterton for president! If asked what political party I adhere to, I invariably reply "Chestertonian". Magnificent author....
Wow, now that really is spectacular. I am going to keep track of that little bit "I can say definitively that Tolkien was my first encounter with Catholicism, and with religion at all, and it was a guiding force that led me to convert. If someone had just handed me a Summa, I would've discarded it. Faith gives understanding, but to me, art can inspire the "longing" for Heaven, as Tolkien described faerie."
Tolkien really does get that "longing" the sensucht that Lewis writes about.
"You have stood before some landscape, which seems to embody what you have been looking for all your life; and then turned to the friend at your side who appears to be seeing what you saw—but at the first words a gulf yawns between you, and you realise that this landscape means something totally different to him, that he is pursuing an alien vision and cares nothing for the ineffable suggestion by which you are transported . . . All the things that have deeply possessed your soul have been but hints of it—tantalising glimpses, promises never quite fulfilled, echoes that died away just as they caught your ear. But if it should really become manifest—if there ever came an echo that did not die away but swelled into the sound itself—you would know it. Beyond all possibility of doubt you would say 'Here at last is the thing I was made for.' We cannot tell each other about it. It is the secret signature of each soul, the incommunicable and unappeasable want . . . which we shall still desire on our deathbeds . . . Your place in heaven will seem to be made for you and you alone, because you were made for it—made for it stitch by stitch as a glove is made for a hand." (from the Problem of Pain).
Yeah, that's a shame that he is overlooked. Btw, Kreeft has some wonderful stuff on Tolkien.
But you know, I think Tolkien's work really actually goes beyond mere literature and fiction. It starts to dabble in something all too real and it starts to wander out of myth and into truth.
For me, Tolkien was also a prime motivation in my faith. I think I can say I sort of "discovered" God by accident through Tolkien, even though I was wholly unaware that I had been looking for Him. Tolkien has really led me into the mystical life, because he inspired that longing, the sensucht, eh?
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alcuin18 In reply to Aodhagain [2011-03-09 08:43:16 +0000 UTC]
lol Nice, definitely a suitable response for politics
Feel free to. It means alot to me, and I'm happy to share Tolkien's role in my life to others.
Wow, another wonderful quote from Lewis. He was such an amazing writer, especially able to use fictitious methods like metaphor, allegory and parable to convey a deep truth, as he did here and with work like the Screwtape Letters, one of my favorites. As Pope Benedict said, in his Christmas homily last year, beauty is "being surprised by God".
Oh really? I'm sure that would be a great combo, two great authors.
To Tolkien, myth can convey truth in a way that philosophy often cannot - hence why the Book of Revelation and Christ's parables are in the Bible. It can illustrate truth, make it real and alive, through the images in our mind as Lewis said. Tolkien said that Christianity is a true myth, where God has communicated through Creation, directly, even living in it. He always viewed his work as a sacred task, from the very beginning.
Absolutely, I totally share that, and I can affirm that others have experienced it too. I was an atheist, malevolently opposed to God, but encountering Tolkien gave me a sort of ambiguous beacon throughout my conversion. I really think it would be sad if writing fiction didn't count as heroic virtue in the canonization process - he should at least be Venerable, even if forever.
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ThatOneGuy92 [2011-02-11 20:57:10 +0000 UTC]
This is madness!
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Aodhagain In reply to ThatOneGuy92 [2011-02-11 22:14:19 +0000 UTC]
This... is... Sparta TENGWAR!!!!!
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jlel [2011-02-07 14:04:29 +0000 UTC]
Nice! I love Tengwar!
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